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I missed if Boywer is now with MWR or not but I am surprised about how many other teams I have saw pairing down.

Is this because of the product being put out on the track?

The cars?

You want to see something more than what is out there?

The drivers just have no personality and if they did they get shot down?

Is the season just too long and there is just another race around the corner, if you miss one no big deal? The problem with that is after one the next thing you know you have missed a month and find out you really are not missing it?

Trying to compete against to many other sports?

MLB playoffs, NFL , etc .

Is the teams not strong enough?

Or can we blame the economy for ever?

The Chase ruin it?

 

October 6, 2011  01:01 PM ET

Saw something on Jayski that #47 is keeping the Alliance with MWR and Bobby Labonte after all.

not looking forward to Kansas.. its been pretty boring to me. but we are in the middle of an official indian summer and its supposed to be brilliantly sunny and around 80 until Sunday. And I have some worms willing to give up their life.

Intersted and anxious to see what happens with the new track at Phoenix. While it could be boring, like many or most, I found the place a great place to watch a race in person.. not a bad seat anywhere. The new track will through a twist for sure.

Chase? Denny and Ryan are toast. next five are "mathmatically" alive but not in practicality. I just wish Jeff can pull a rabbit out of his hat.helmet.

I've grown pretty tired of professional stick and ball sports, mainly on the outrageous contracts, and behavior, that prevail.

October 6, 2011  01:08 PM ET

Drivers go where the money is, RCR didn't have the sponsorship/money for a fourth team, and MWR had the sponsorship/money. Whether it is a downgrade or not it is a guaranteed ride and with things the way they currently are it's better then no ride. Although I haven't heard how soon Bowyer will move to MWR I doubt it will happen before the end of the season.

NASCAR is quickly pricing itself out of business. It takes $20-40+ million a year to run just a single car in the sport and with fewer companies out there willing to pony up that kind of money for top guys, you can forget about it for the second tier and lower teams. Sponsors want winners and champions, and with the current state of the sport that only qualifies a small number of drivers.

Like it or not JJ's dominance will probably have a lasting effect on the sport and not in a good way. When the Yankees, Cowboys, Red Wings, etc. dominate it will hurt the other teams financially, but those other teams don't have to go looking for someone to pay the bills for next year. In NASCAR if a sponsor is on the fence about re-upping and their driver gets driven around in circles by JJ, even if that other driver finishes second in points, that sponsor might start looking elsewhere to spend the money, either with the new hot talent, the new young gun, or just leave the sport completely. JJ has pretty much had Lowes on his car from day 1 of his Cup career, anymore no one has the same sponsor on the car all year.

And the media is helping to perpetuate the problem. How many times are we the TV viewer show just the leader click off laps and nothing more? It is less now arguably then in the past, when Dale Jarret would say, "Yeah the leader is stinking up the show, but there is some great racing going on behind him." As a sponsor if all I see when I flip on the TV is the same driver all the time I am going to want to sponsor that guy if I can, but of course he's already got sponsors so then I'd have to sponsor someone who doesn't get TV time except when they wreck or get lapped, not a good investment. When I flip on any other sport it is one team against another, so they would always be showing "my team", a much better investment.

If you really want to level the playing field you are going to have to drastically change how much money is poured into the teams. Obviously the testing ban is not working, and outside of tweaks like how many sets of tires teams can run there is not much more NASCAR can do because of the teams being independent of NASCAR on a corporate level.

October 6, 2011  01:29 PM ET

take away testing and every one has to invest in a multimillion dollar 7 point shaker. That worked well, NASCAR,, .whats next?

October 6, 2011  01:36 PM ET
QUOTE(#3):

take away testing and every one has to invest in a multimillion dollar 7 point shaker. That worked well, NASCAR,, .whats next?

Or they just start testing at non-NASCAR tracks. I hear there's going to be an open 1.5 mile track in Nashville ready to be tested on next season.

October 6, 2011  02:07 PM ET

Great questions. The economy plays a huge part for the sponsors, teams and fans. With fewer fans at the tracks and watching on TV, sponsors have less incentive to invest in the teams that put on the show. It becomes a self-fulfilling prophecy. What is the solution? I am not sure, but the other sports believe that parity is the answer. NASCAR has always been a "niche sport" and for years it was based on brand loyalty. We have often discussed what it would mean to the sport if it returned to cars that would be more brand recognizable. More competitive racing would be helpful as well. As this time, there are far too many teams that simply choose not to compete, but rather start and park. Perhaps that could cut down on the size of the field until the economy and/or NASCAR gets on more stable footing.

October 6, 2011  02:24 PM ET
QUOTE(#5):

Great questions. The economy plays a huge part for the sponsors, teams and fans. With fewer fans at the tracks and watching on TV, sponsors have less incentive to invest in the teams that put on the show. It becomes a self-fulfilling prophecy. What is the solution? I am not sure, but the other sports believe that parity is the answer. NASCAR has always been a "niche sport" and for years it was based on brand loyalty. We have often discussed what it would mean to the sport if it returned to cars that would be more brand recognizable. More competitive racing would be helpful as well. As this time, there are far too many teams that simply choose not to compete, but rather start and park. Perhaps that could cut down on the size of the field until the economy and/or NASCAR gets on more stable footing.

I have to agree with Juan, this economy thing is killing a lot of sports,not just Nascar, as for Kansas, I don't care for the track, cause Burton ownes it. LOL

October 6, 2011  03:12 PM ET
QUOTE(#5):

Great questions. The economy plays a huge part for the sponsors, teams and fans. With fewer fans at the tracks and watching on TV, sponsors have less incentive to invest in the teams that put on the show. It becomes a self-fulfilling prophecy. What is the solution? I am not sure, but the other sports believe that parity is the answer. NASCAR has always been a "niche sport" and for years it was based on brand loyalty. We have often discussed what it would mean to the sport if it returned to cars that would be more brand recognizable. More competitive racing would be helpful as well. As this time, there are far too many teams that simply choose not to compete, but rather start and park. Perhaps that could cut down on the size of the field until the economy and/or NASCAR gets on more stable footing.

completely agree. The only thing I would add is the fact that we are completely saturated by the coverage we get. All the pre shows and post race shows all the spin off shows on during the week.

October 6, 2011  03:15 PM ET

Sorry i pushed submit to soon. There is really no need for it. like the old saying goes absence makes the heart grow fonder. I know others have said the season is to long also and I kind of have to agree.

October 6, 2011  03:15 PM ET
QUOTE(#5):

I am not sure, but the other sports believe that parity is the answer.

The funny thing is in some ways parity is what is wrong with NASCAR.

You hear it in driver interviews all the time, "Car was great until I tried to pass, then the areo-push stopped me." While parity is many aspect is a good thing, it is hard if not impossible to do anything when your main piece of equipment, in this case the car, stops you from being competitive. The need for clean air to me is not parity it just mean he who is out front will stay out front, and then you have to try to win a different way whether it be pit stops of fuel strategy.

Believe me if the design of a football somehow made it harder to pass, handle, or protect the NFL will be redesigning the ball in the off season if not sooner.

October 6, 2011  03:55 PM ET
QUOTE(#9):

The funny thing is in some ways parity is what is wrong with NASCAR. You hear it in driver interviews all the time, "Car was great until I tried to pass, then the areo-push stopped me." While parity is many aspect is a good thing, it is hard if not impossible to do anything when your main piece of equipment, in this case the car, stops you from being competitive. The need for clean air to me is not parity it just mean he who is out front will stay out front, and then you have to try to win a different way whether it be pit stops of fuel strategy. Believe me if the design of a football somehow made it harder to pass, handle, or protect the NFL will be redesigning the ball in the off season if not sooner.

agreed.

all started some years ago when nascar started messing around with diffent spoiler heighth for each brand.. pontiac got one thing, chevy another, and all the while Jack Roush Whined he was being punished.

October 6, 2011  04:56 PM ET

With split screen, why couldn't you show the leader in 1 box and fighting up thru the field in another. Get more sponsors on the screen and keep viewers interested.

Win/win.

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October 6, 2011  07:18 PM ET

How about a bridge to nowhere fushion, or a TArPII Monte Carlo

October 6, 2011  07:55 PM ET

Robots racing slot cars is what we got nowadays!That is what nascar wants.

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October 6, 2011  09:53 PM ET

Raistwalker and Juan....well said and spot on....both of you.

October 7, 2011  07:01 AM ET
QUOTE(#15):

I just want to pet your puppy!<that sounded so wrong>

I think we all could want his daily routine.

wake me to get fed
pee
drink lots
pee again
lay under the pine out front and nap until around noon
say hi to the mailman for a bisquit
pee
come in house
nap
go back out late afternoon, have a movement to make more room for dinner
pee
dinner
pee
get rid of dinner
demand your walk
nap before bed
pee
bedtime.

I am jealous as heck

 
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