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Maybe not -inconsistencies galore- but enough to start a discussion.

 First there was the restart with Menard and Edwards, the rules as I understand them is that the leader, in this case Paul Menard, controls the start, yet Edwards beat him to the line by a car length and there was no penalty.

 Here is a quote from NASCAR vice president Robin Pemberton:

 "There are balls and there are strikes. Sometimes you don't like the call. Sometimes we don't even like the call we have to make. I just want to remind everybody: Do not put us in that position where we have to make the call. Because more times than not, it isn't going to be in your favor and we don't want to do that. OK?"

I understand this quote was from the pre-race meeting. After seven years as a NASCAR fan I still don't understand the rules, right when I think I got a handle on them something happens to make me think that this folks have no rules, and that only the RULER controls outcome, you know as long as it benefits the show.

Just guessing folks, but it really appears to me that is what we are dealing with.

Am I wrong?

The other was when Montoya was denied the lucky dog after running in that position for about a zillion laps, JEFF GORDON somehow got it, JEFF GORDON somehow got it , yes I had to repeat it because I still don't get this, here are some quotes from Juan Pablo Montoya fans:

 " Juan left a 10 car space and went to the bottom during the caution, so others could pass him, which they didn't -> drive through -> -1 lap

- didn't get a caution while being a lucky dog for 150 laps

- finally get a caution with about 80 laps to go to get back to the lead lap -> NASCAR wants Gordon in the Chase and Gordon gets the lucky dog even though Gordon was on pit road and Juan in turn 1 while the caution came out "

That quote is from a fan in Germany. NASCAR's rules are now part of an international forum.

Honestly I don't get this one. I remember when Juan was caught on the pits during a caution about a month ago he went a lap down. I thought that was the rule. Gordon gets caught in the pits and they give him the lucky dog. Please help this blogger with this, give me some answers.

More quotes from non-typical NASCAR fans or better said, Juan Pablo Montoya fans:

"I was wondering how JG got the lap back instead of Juan...didn't realize it was a "call" by NASCAR. Typical NASCAR shenanigans. The Bowyer spin was pretty shameful too. Not going to lose any sleep over Newman getting shafted by it though! What a creep he is, completely threw his team under the bus for the final pit stop."

This quote is from Pennsylvania.

One more :

"Still don't understand why JPM didn't get the caution when Johnson brought out the caution. Anyone have the video that explains what just happened. Not fair at all that they gave it to the 24!!!!"

Fans from Germany to the Netherlands, the far east, Canada, most of South America, and even folks from Washington State and Pennsylvania are questioning NASCAR's rule book. If you go into one of JPM fan sites those are just a few of the countless countries who read about NASCAR because JPM is racing here.

They are not getting a good image of the sport.

Why didn't I say anything about Bowyer and the phantom spin, well, this is about NASCAR's inconsistencies, NASCAR had nothing to do with the spingate.

As always this is a fans opinion and from what I understand everyone has one and I'm thankful for that.

 Enough said.

 

September 8, 2013  10:28 PM ET

The leader controls the restart. The key word in the sentence is control. When the leader bangs into the side of the second place car, he has demonstrated that he lacks control and just perhaps has lost control so at that point the leader had relinquished control. When the leader relinquishes control, it's katie bar the door, and so Edwards can do whatever he thinks is necessary short of blatant retaliation. These are judgement calls, if the sanctioning bodies were replaced by computers everyone would then complain about the algorithms.

September 8, 2013  10:40 PM ET
QUOTE(#1):

The leader controls the restart. The key word in the sentence is control. When the leader bangs into the side of the second place car, he has demonstrated that he lacks control and just perhaps has lost control so at that point the leader had relinquished control. When the leader relinquishes control, it's katie bar the door, and so Edwards can do whatever he thinks is necessary short of blatant retaliation. These are judgement calls, if the sanctioning bodies were replaced by computers everyone would then complain about the algorithms.

Fair enough......but does that include holding back or spinning tires.?

September 9, 2013  10:59 AM ET

Were we watching a NASCAR race or a Formula 1 race the other night? Cause seriously it looked disgusting.

The last restart: Just check the replay ESPN/ABC showed us after the incident especially after DJ questioned the restart. Oh wait they didn't show a replay, in fact I think they turned off DJ's mic after he made his initial comment about Edwards likely jumping the restart. If you don't think NASCAR controls the media, especially the on-air personalities I give you this as the example who truly runs the show.

To me it is simple how to fix the restarts. the leader has to cross the start/finish line first. No more of these restart zones or the like. Either that or make the flag what restarts the race. If the green is waving you go.

Lucky Dog: I didn't see the incident, I stopped watching after about 60 laps and tuned back in to see the final 20-ish. But since NASCAR is as transparent as coal it wouldn't surprise me if they did their voodoo and put the 24 ahead of the 42. Hey it makes sense numerically.

September 9, 2013  10:59 AM ET

Spingate: I disagree that NASCAR had nothing to do with that. If anything NASCAR was right in the middle of it with the Chase system, and its surprising it took this long for a team to actually try to exploit the system. And it also ties into NASCAR's consistency or lack there of.

1. To stick to the article I will start with consistency. How NASCAR handles this situation will set the tone for future races. Will they allow such shenanigans to happen and silently condone it with a lack or weak response, or will they come down hard on those involved so that it doesn't happen again?

If the response is weak, which I'm expecting, then it means the teams can get away with bringing out their own cautions, and pretty much running the races as they deem fit. The inmates will be running the asylum and NASCAR will not be able to stop it. F1 tried stopping the team orders, and completely failed at curbing the incidents to the extent they capitulated to the teams and removed the team orders restrictions.

If the response is strong then that will show everyone, teams, fans, sponsors, etc. who is really in charge and while there will be a wailing and grinding of teeth to begin with in the long run it will be better for the sport.

But the problems come from one of the groups I pointed out, sponsors. The Chase lineup was all but sealed once all the cars got the checkered flag. Press conferences were made and done, the field was set, and the NASCAR Hype Machine began chugging along. To now penalize a team or two would throw all that media and hype into a tailspin. It would be similar to finding the new champ had an illegal car after the race at Homestead, the press has be alerted, the champion crowned, the t-shirts made, the parties celebrated, and now it is all for naught because the car was illegal and the champ should not be the champ after the fact. Will NASCAR do the right thing and enforce the penalties like they would have the week prior? I doubt it.

2. NASCAR has made this mess by introducing the Chase system. If the points championship was based off of 36 races instead of 26 and then 10 no one would be caring about who's "also-ranning" below the Top 5 in points. But to create this artificial excitement and buzz we have the Chase and the problems that come with it.

Getting into the Chase means everything, if you don't make it then you might as well not show up for the final 10 races of the year. Like I said earlier I'm surprised it took this long for a team to actually pull off a stunt like this. It also starts to show the ugly corrupted side of the sport.

 
September 9, 2013  10:43 PM ET
QUOTE(#3):

Were we watching a NASCAR race or a Formula 1 race the other night? Cause seriously it looked disgusting.The last restart: Just check the replay ESPN/ABC showed us after the incident especially after DJ questioned the restart. Oh wait they didn't show a replay, in fact I think they turned off DJ's mic after he made his initial comment about Edwards likely jumping the restart. If you don't think NASCAR controls the media, especially the on-air personalities I give you this as the example who truly runs the show.To me it is simple how to fix the restarts. the leader has to cross the start/finish line first. No more of these restart zones or the like. Either that or make the flag what restarts the race. If the green is waving you go.Lucky Dog: I didn't see the incident, I stopped watching after about 60 laps and tuned back in to see the final 20-ish. But since NASCAR is as transparent as coal it wouldn't surprise me if they did their voodoo and put the 24 ahead of the 42. Hey it makes sense numerically.

your quote: "But since NASCAR is as transparent as coal it wouldn't surprise me if they did their voodoo and put the 24 ahead of the 42. Hey it makes sense numerically."

VOODOO...great quote..lmao......

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