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In the Gospel of Matthew, Pontius Pilate washes his hands to show that he was not responsible for the execution of Jesus.

Did NASCAR performed a sort of washing of hands for Clint and Michael? Even though they gave MWR huge monetary and points deduction penalties, Clint Bowyer and team principal Michael Waltrip still get to participate in the chase. They are still in the game with an opportunity to win a championship.

What does that say to fans?

Should someone who allegedly has been caught trying to cheat be part of a major championship?

If there is no doubt in NASCAR's mind as to what happened why are those people not banned from the 2013 chase?

Are those fair questions ?

I don't believe reasonable folks think this is a serious penalty, the alleged guilty parties get a free out of jail card. I honestly can't look at this any other way.

As a new fan to the sport (seven years) I'm very disappointed by this decision, I don't get this.  I Honestly don't see any difference between this and fixing a stick and ball game by purposely fumbling, committing fielding errors or missing shots. 

It's a shame that one of the best NASCAR season I've ever seen in my short time as a fan has to be -PUNKED- and disrespected like this, shame on all that participated.

A very disappointed fan here NASCAR. I understand the bible reference was a little over the top but hey, it was the first thing that came into mind when I found out they were still eligible to win a championship. I most be in BIZZARO world, if you don't know what that is you need to look it up.

As always this is a fans opinion and from what I understand everybody has one and I'm thankful for that.

Enough said.

 

 

 

 

 

September 10, 2013  11:13 AM ET

The penalties are being applied to the teams before the points are officially reset for the Chase, and Clint Bowyer still fits in the qualification for the Chase. If they were to remove the 15 from the Chase for fixing the race shouldn't they do the same for Jimmie Johnson who hit the wall and then stayed on the track until the caution was thrown? NASCAR was given a bunch of lemons the other night, and they made the best lemonade they could, even if it still tastes bitter to a lot of people.

It's no different than one of those stick and ball athletes who are caught for PEDs halfway through the season. Should MLB, NFL, NHL, etc. strip the team of the wins where the PEDs player scored? Or should they take away those points? Then you end up changing history, maybe for the better, but probably not.

Look at the NCAA, they are stripping wins and titles from schools who have had players violate their incomprehensible system of rules, and now there are holes all over their recordbook. And for the most part the player(s) involved in those violations are long gone in the pros making millions of dollars while thier former schools and teammates are made to suffer with the loss of prestige, revenue, and scholarships. How fair is that to those students coming or looking into a college sports program only to have it virtually eviscerated by someone who years ago received a sandwich from someone they weren't supposed to?

September 10, 2013  02:14 PM ET
QUOTE(#1):

The penalties are being applied to the teams before the points are officially reset for the Chase, and Clint Bowyer still fits in the qualification for the Chase. If they were to remove the 15 from the Chase for fixing the race shouldn't they do the same for Jimmie Johnson who hit the wall and then stayed on the track until the caution was thrown? NASCAR was given a bunch of lemons the other night, and they made the best lemonade they could, even if it still tastes bitter to a lot of people.It's no different than one of those stick and ball athletes who are caught for PEDs halfway through the season. Should MLB, NFL, NHL, etc. strip the team of the wins where the PEDs player scored? Or should they take away those points? Then you end up changing history, maybe for the better, but probably not. Look at the NCAA, they are stripping wins and titles from schools who have had players violate their incomprehensible system of rules, and now there are holes all over their recordbook. And for the most part the player(s) involved in those violations are long gone in the pros making millions of dollars while thier former schools and teammates are made to suffer with the loss of prestige, revenue, and scholarships. How fair is that to those students coming or looking into a college sports program only to have it virtually eviscerated by someone who years ago received a sandwich from someone they weren't supposed to?

Well good comments ...but guess what the team still plays but the player does not.how about pulling Bowyer out the car and let someone else drive......nascar got weak here.....

September 10, 2013  03:07 PM ET
QUOTE(#1):

The penalties are being applied to the teams before the points are officially reset for the Chase, and Clint Bowyer still fits in the qualification for the Chase. If they were to remove the 15 from the Chase for fixing the race shouldn't they do the same for Jimmie Johnson who hit the wall and then stayed on the track until the caution was thrown? NASCAR was given a bunch of lemons the other night, and they made the best lemonade they could, even if it still tastes bitter to a lot of people.

Well said........Pulling Bowyer out of the Chase would only open another can of worms, and is really overkill. They did not pull Jeff Gordon out of the Chase last year after he payback attacked Bowyer, which, if rated by danger levels only, what Gordon did was far more severe.

Bowyer will be lucky to finish in the top 10 of the Chase this year........lots of drivers mad at him.

September 10, 2013  03:28 PM ET
QUOTE(#2):

Well good comments ...but guess what the team still plays but the player does not.how about pulling Bowyer out the car and let someone else drive......nascar got weak here.....

Bowyer was doing what he was told. It could easily have been if he didn't spin then he would be fired. In that case what would you do? And really how deep does NASCAR really look into cars spinning? NASCAR suspended the mastermind, suspending the drivers would lead to a slippery slope of who should and shouldn't be suspended and for what reasons. Maybe Gordon spins next week should he be suspended?

The point I was making with the PEDs comment, and now looking back it was a thought I didn't finish, is that I bet you those suspended PEDs players still get credit for the the team's championship, and get bonuses and rings for their "hard work".

September 10, 2013  03:36 PM ET
QUOTE(#2):

nascar got weak here.....

Not to be glib but NASCAR was far stronger than really what anyone was expecting. After all the photos and interviews done after the race Saturday NASCAR actually went and did something that changed the course of the Chase. That is a huge step for them and showing a sign of strength considering all the other stuff they let slide in the past.

September 10, 2013  07:48 PM ET
QUOTE(#4):

Bowyer was doing what he was told. It could easily have been if he didn't spin then he would be fired. In that case what would you do? And really how deep does NASCAR really look into cars spinning? NASCAR suspended the mastermind, suspending the drivers would lead to a slippery slope of who should and shouldn't be suspended and for what reasons. Maybe Gordon spins next week should he be suspended?The point I was making with the PEDs comment, and now looking back it was a thought I didn't finish, is that I bet you those suspended PEDs players still get credit for the the team's championship, and get bonuses and rings for their "hard work".

Today Mike Helton said there wasn't enough evidence to prove he did it on purpose...You may believe different but I say 75% of the people believe he did spin... Did Bowyer have a broken arm? maybe he had a cast on and it was itching underneath!!! By the way does a bear ()&^*^ in the woods..yes he does and Bowyer did spin that car to help his buddy....lol

September 10, 2013  08:46 PM ET
QUOTE(#5):

Not to be glib but NASCAR was far stronger than really what anyone was expecting. After all the photos and interviews done after the race Saturday NASCAR actually went and did something that changed the course of the Chase. That is a huge step for them and showing a sign of strength considering all the other stuff they let slide in the past.

Agree.

September 10, 2013  08:47 PM ET
QUOTE(#4):

Bowyer was doing what he was told. It could easily have been if he didn't spin then he would be fired. In that case what would you do? And really how deep does NASCAR really look into cars spinning? NASCAR suspended the mastermind, suspending the drivers would lead to a slippery slope of who should and shouldn't be suspended and for what reasons. Maybe Gordon spins next week should he be suspended?The point I was making with the PEDs comment, and now looking back it was a thought I didn't finish, is that I bet you those suspended PEDs players still get credit for the the team's championship, and get bonuses and rings for their "hard work".

Good point.

September 11, 2013  09:56 AM ET
QUOTE(#6):

Today Mike Helton said there wasn't enough evidence to prove he did it on purpose...You may believe different but I say 75% of the people believe he did spin... Did Bowyer have a broken arm? maybe he had a cast on and it was itching underneath!!! By the way does a bear ()&^*^ in the woods..yes he does and Bowyer did spin that car to help his buddy....lol

My comments are based on your suggestion Bowyer be suspended. I do think he spun on purpose and NASCAR punished him and MWR accordingly. Had the communication been Bowyer suggesting he spin to help Truex then things would be different. But he was doing what his superiors instructed him to do.

Should a pitcher be ejected from a game when the coach says to intentionally walk a batter? Because doesn't that potentially effect the outcome of the game?

September 11, 2013  07:02 PM ET
QUOTE(#9):

My comments are based on your suggestion Bowyer be suspended. I do think he spun on purpose and NASCAR punished him and MWR accordingly. Had the communication been Bowyer suggesting he spin to help Truex then things would be different. But he was doing what his superiors instructed him to do. Should a pitcher be ejected from a game when the coach says to intentionally walk a batter? Because doesn't that potentially effect the outcome of the game?

There sure is a big fat gray area in all this mess.

September 11, 2013  10:42 PM ET
QUOTE(#9):

Should a pitcher be ejected from a game when the coach says to intentionally walk a batter? Because doesn't that potentially effect the outcome of the game?

Your quote: "Should a pitcher be ejected from a game when the coach says to intentionally walk a batter? Because doesn't that potentially effect the outcome of the game?"

Good question and I got a good answer:
An intentional walk is part of a strategy, hitting a batter is an unwritten rule between players. They always gets fined and thrown out of the game.
If part of the sport(as it really is)is having all this alliances, and give and take favors, NASCAR should just own it and don't fine anybody, just make it a legal part of the sport.
BUT if the favors thing is seen as a unwritten rule -hit batter- type then yes they should be fined and suspended every time they get caught.
Agree?

September 12, 2013  07:14 PM ET
QUOTE(#11):

Your quote: "Should a pitcher be ejected from a game when the coach says to intentionally walk a batter? Because doesn't that potentially effect the outcome of the game?"

Good question and I got a good answer:
An intentional walk is part of a strategy, hitting a batter is an unwritten rule between players. They always gets fined and thrown out of the game.
If part of the sport(as it really is)is having all this alliances, and give and take favors, NASCAR should just own it and don't fine anybody, just make it a legal part of the sport.
BUT if the favors thing is seen as a unwritten rule -hit batter- type then yes they should be fined and suspended every time they get caught.
Agree?

I agree there should be consistency when it comes to policing the sport.

So which did Bowyer do, intentionally walk a guy, or hit the batter?

Same question about Lagano, and Johnson. That's up for NASCAR to decide, and get it right all the time. Sadly it's the getting it right part they have issues with.

September 13, 2013  09:00 PM ET
QUOTE(#12):

I agree there should be consistency when it comes to policing the sport.So which did Bowyer do, intentionally walk a guy, or hit the batter?Same question about Lagano, and Johnson. That's up for NASCAR to decide, and get it right all the time. Sadly it's the getting it right part they have issues with.

Bowyer hit the batter and he is still in the game. That is what burns me up...and I'm not the only one who feels that way...Do we agree that he spun on purpose?

September 13, 2013  09:09 PM ET
QUOTE(#13):

Bowyer hit the batter and he is still in the game. That is what burns me up...and I'm not the only one who feels that way...Do we agree that he spun on purpose?

It's NASCAR, the sport was born from guys thumbing their noses at rules and laws. Not saying it's right, just that the DNA shows from time to time.

 
September 16, 2013  10:31 AM ET
QUOTE(#14):

It's NASCAR, the sport was born from guys thumbing their noses at rules and laws. Not saying it's right, just that the DNA shows from time to time.

Agree.......

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