After reading my "Why You Should Avoid Matt Ryan in the Draft" blog, someone asked me to look at Andre' Woodson. I did, and I made a chart to show you exactly how he performed:
Key:
S.I.P.R. - Sports Illustrated Power Rankings (does not reflect final Bowl wins)
O.P.D.E. - Opponent's Pass Defense Efficiency
D.C. - Completion percentage given up by opponents defense over the entire season.
O.Y.P.A. - What Opponent's defense gave up on average for Yards Per Attempt
R. ATT - Rushing Attempts
R. TD - Rushing TDs
S.I.P.R.Opp.Op. Win%O.P.D.E.CompAtt.Comp%D.C.%%DiffTDINTN/A*E. Ken75%*115.6*202969.0%57.7%11.3%30103Kent St.25.0%145.8152268.2%66.1%2.1%2067Louis50.0%149.4304468.2%62.4%5.8%4025Ark.61.5%97.8213953.8%45.5%8.3%2082F.A.U.61.5%126.5263378.8%64.0%14.8%5152S. Car.50.0%108.2234057.5%55.6%1.9%212L.S.U.85.7%97.3213855.3%46.7%8.6%329Flor.69.2%128.8355070.0%59.4%10.6%5035Miss St.61.5%110.6244257.1%53.5%3.6%2364Vandy41.7%118.0172860.7%59.1%1.6%104Georg.84.6%115.7244158.5%59.2%-0.7%1118Tenn.71.4%127.1396262.9%59.1%3.8%6233F.S.U.53.8%124.4325064.0%56.9%7.1%41Tot/AvgN/A61.4%120.832751863.1%57.3%5.8%4011
Fig 1-1
Opp.Y.P.A.O.Y.P.A.DiffR. Att.SackFUMR. TDResultE. Ken8.626.462.23200W/50-10Kent St.9.917.941.978401W/56-20Louis6.258.15-1.93200W/40-34Ark.6.795.521.274111W42-29F.A.U.9.126.232.892000W/45-17S. Car.5.685.670.014320L/38-23L.S.U.6.585.620.963011W/43-37Flor.8.37.211.098600L/45-37Miss St.5.485.88-0.45300L/31-14Vandy7.936.441.498310W/27-20Georg.6.546.460.087500L/24-13Tenn.6.946.780.1610620L/52-50F.S.U.7.166.880.284310W/35-28Tot/Avg7.166.560.6693883N/A
Fig.1-2
Compare them to the chart of Matt Ryan on my other blog: http://www.fannation.com/blogs/post/157099
To summarize here's how they compare head-to-head in the stats I believe tell more than total passing yards:
1. Completion percentage (Good indicator of Accuracy and Touch)-
A.W. - 63.1%; Avg. QB vs. same competition - 57.3%; 5.8% above par
M.R. - 59.3%; Avg. QB vs. same competition - 56.5; 2.8% above par
Advantage - A.W.
2. Yards Per Attempt -
A.W. - 7.16; Avg. QB vs. same competition - 6.56; 0.6 above par
M.R. - 6.89; Avg. QB vs. same competition - 6.51; 0.38 above par
Advantage - A.W.
3. TD:INT ratio
A.W. - 40:11 over 13 games at around 39.8 pass attempts per game
M.R. - 31:19 over 14 games at around 46.7 pass attempts per game
Advantage - A.W.
4. Passing Efficiency -
A.W. - 144.5 (ranked 20th among D. I-A QBs); Avg. QB vs. same competition - 120.8; 23.7 above par
M.R. - 127.0 (Not in top 50 D. I-A QBs); Avg. QB vs. same competition - 117.8; 9.2 above par
Advantage - A.W.
5. Reported size on S.I. (not taken from the draft)-
A.W. - 6'5" 230 lbs.
M.R. - 6'5" 218 lbs.
Advantage - Split
6. Athletic Ability (40 times are reported from the combine):
A.W. - DNR
M.R. - 4.88
Advantage - Incomplete
7. Consistency
A.W. - Games above par in Comp% - 12 out of 13; Games above par in Y.P.A. - 11 out of 13; games with a greater to 1:1 TD:INT - 11 out of 13; Games above par in all three previous categories - 10 out of 13.
M.R. - Games above par in Comp% - 9 out of 14; Games above par in Y.P.A. - 8 out of 14; games with a greater to 1:1 TD:INT - 9 out of 14; Games above par in all three previous categories - 4 out of 14.
Advantage - A.W.
8. Competition -
A.W. - Opp. Win% - 61.4%; O.P.D.E. (lower the score the better)- 120.8; Avg. Power Rankings of teams played (lower the score the better) - 41.2
M.R. - Opp. Win% - 56.1%; O.P.D.E. (lower the score the better)- 117.7; Avg. Power Rankings of Teams played (lower the score the better) - 48.8
Advantage - A.W.
Now that we got all that out of the way, all information points to Andre Woodson being a lot better than Matt Ryan. That doesn't tell you the same thing that you would see on film. I haven't gotten to see a lot of Andre Woodson play, but from what I saw it seemed that he floated his deep passes too much. Meaning that they seemed to lack adequate velocity and take to long to get the ball from point A to B. Although, according the the Box scores and the play-by-plays I just went over, he was pretty good in the crunch. He didn't lose many games for them. In fact, the only game I can put the loss on his shoulders would be the Mississippi State game. He had too many turnovers in that game, and it was by far his worst game. Matt Ryan is supposed to be this exceptional leader, but every loss they had he played terrible in, and then there were games he was terrible and his defense played well enough to overcome his terrible play by forcing a ton of turnovers. Woodson lost the game against Florida, but he never turned the ball over in that game and threw for 5 TDs. It's clear who had the better team around them when you look at the body of work. Kentucky needed Woodson to play well to win; yet Ryan was bailed out of some terrible by tremendous defensive plays by his defense.
Matt Ryan also had one of the best offensive lines protecting him. He was sacked 21 times while dropping back to pass at least 675 times (a sack counts as a rush, and doesn't count as a pass attempt). That means he got sacked roughly 1 out of every 32.14 drop backs. Woodson was sacked 38 times over roughly 556 drop backs. That's 1 sack for every 14.63 drop backs. That's not including how many timesthey were hurried. Woodson obviously faced more pressure, yet was able to play more consistant and put up better numbers then Matt Ryan. To me, it's no contest who's better! It's hands down Andre' Woodson.
What I don't get is how far Woodson has fallen on the draft boards. They say it has to do with his Senior Bowl performance, yet they forget he was playing against the best seniors and be coached in a system he wasn't familiar with. Matt Ryan didn't even play, and hiw last game against Michigan St. he was terrible. He completed only 46.8% of his passes. Yet he some how vaults up to be the #1 QB in this year's draft and as a possible choice to be the #1 pick overall. While Andre' Woodson is now trying to get drafted in the first day of the draft.
If the Dolphins need a QB so badly, they should draft Jake Long to help protect them and make a move to get Flacco later in the 1st or snag him with their 2nd round pick. He'll be less risk because he won't demand so much money at that pick. That guy from San Diego might not be too bad either, and they should be able to get him in the 4th round. I'll be happy with the drafting of either Jake or Chris Long. If they decide they need to invest in a quarterback though, they better get Jake Long.
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That's the injustice of the Pre Draft system. One guy gets hyped and the other has his stock drop because of a single game. If Woodson drops down into the second half of the 1st round he could go with a good team and have less $.
Oso Famoso
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They have him as the #4 or so QB of this draft class, and I believe he's projected as a 2nd or 3rd round player. He might even slip into the 4th.
The biggest injustice is that Ryan has had numerous bad games. His throw against Virginia Tech was what launched him. Everyone is looking at his 4,507 passing yards too. He threw the ball 47 times a game! Of course he's going to have a high passing yards total! You know what I mean.
El Pollo Loco
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2nd round is projected.
I watched him play in person, and he was phenomenal.
He set the SEC record for most consecutive passes without an interception.
dwade82697 RIP…
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Email this to the Dolphins...
DJTG_2010
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...Or the Falcons...
DJTG_2010
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Or to Kiper or McShay or whatever.
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the ravens will snag woodson in round 2, watch...
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I agree with you on all but 1 point. When you talk about leadership, you always say that Ryan played bad in big games. What they mean by leadership is that he can inspire his teammates to play better- which may be true, or only just perceived. However, I believe there are few starting QBs in Division 1 who can't inspire their team- Andre Woodson has to be considered one of the best as well.
tzeno
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How do you inspire your teammates when you throw late game INTs? Like Ryan did in their losses to F.S.U. and VTech in the ACC Championship game. He also didn't bring his "A" game to the table against Michigan St. in their Bowl game. He completed around 47% of his passes.
I watched the film of Woodson last night, and I watched what many consider his biggest knock: His elongated throwing motion. I then popped in Matt Ryan's tape again, and they had the same exact throwing motion. They both **** their arm down before bringing the ball up to throw. It's a 3-point motion. They both do it, but Woodson has been the only one knocked for it. Woodson also appeared to check down more often, but I didn't have much film to really get a good look at it. That's why I say appears.
Also, leadership is something they put solely onto the quarterbacks shoulders. He played terrible, in some win, and his defense pulled them out with some tremendous play. He doesn't play defense, so how does he inspire them. Even when the rest of the offense stepped up to compensate for his poor play; that does not show leadership. So does bad play somehow inspire those around you to perform better? It does if they want to win. You can say the same thing about a general who uses bad strategy and tactics and his soldiers win the battle regardless. They won the battle because they wanted to win, and in the other analogy to survive.
You want the positives on Matt Ryan:
1. He throws great on the run; better than he does when his feet are set in the pocket (which isn't a positive).
2. He seemed able enough to avoid the rush with his feet; but he tends to run backwards and away from the line of scrimmage while doing it.
El Pollo Loco
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The Bears or Jets should pick him in the second round
Ny
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The sack rate comparison is useless. You can just as easily attribute AW's high sack rate to an inability to check down or throw the ball away. To say that Ryan had "one of the best O-line's protecting him" is laughable. He had an undersized true freshman right tackle and a left tackle that never got used to the switch from R to L tackle.
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I have been telling everyone that Woodson is better than Ryan but no one ever believes me. Woodson is who I have been saying the Bears should pick up because you can get him in the second round, you can spend your 1st round pick a good lineman, he is tall with good size, and has the gunslinging arm the Bears like with great accuracy and a low touchdown to interceptions ratio. Thanks El Pollo Loco for putting this in a blog and proving Woodson is better than everyone thinks!
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Just to let you know though, Woodson is prone to fumble. Especially with his throwing motion. Then again, Ryan has the same throwing motion and fumble at roughly the same rate. With Grossman as your quarterback, how often a quarterback fumbles should be a major concern when looking at finding a new QB.
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The Bears or Jets should pick him in the second round
NYFAN07 | 02/26/08, 03:22 PM Report Offensive Comment
Well, first we need to pick up better protectors. The First Round will probably be spent on the best tackle available. After we shore up that aspect of the O, then we can worry about QB.
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The Falcons should draft McFadden in the First and Woodson in the second. Then the Falcons should try to pick up some offensive lineman in free agency. The Falcons don't need to draft Matt Ryan at #3. They have Shockley coming off an injury and Vick will be out by the end of the year if they suck that badly.
Snymax01
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The Falcons should draft McFadden 1st, if they don't decide to take Jake Long. In the 2nd round, they should take Andre Woodson. That is if they feel that DJ Shockley or Chris Redman can't get the team wins until Vick gets out this December. Can you imagine Vick and McFadden in the same backfield along with Norwood coming in to spell McFadden. It would be the greatest rushing attack EVER!
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