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I'm an avid NASCAR media follower, after hours upon hours of watching and reading many stories on spin-gate I can honestly say, I don't understand how Mr. Clint Bowyer's 50 point penalty can be considered a punishment.

I didn't see anything that would affect Mr. Clint Bowyer's participation in the championship races. Please correct me if I'm wrong.

Clint Bowyers team got zero -chase points- deductions, again please correct me if I'm wrong. If NASCAR found some irregularities and had reasonable suspicion that the spin by Mr. Bowyer was done purposely why didn't NASCAR see it fit to have Mr. Bowyer join Mr. Truex jr as part of the -and also-ran field- .

I don't get this, all this trouble started because of that spin, that was the epicenter of this earthquake, am I wrong, and yet Mr. Bowyer is given the opportunity to win a championship.

Think about this folks, WHAT IF this guy wins the championship, let me say it again, what if this guy wins the championship. What will the occasional fan think, or maybe that new fan NASCAR is trying to reach, could this become a tabloid type of story.

Look, in this fans opinion there is no real bad guys here, these are just a bunch of folks who are under extreme pressure to make sponsors happy and keep that money coming in, they're all fighting for survival.

Is that an excuse for cheating? Maybe not, but from some of the comments I've been reading fans believe this is part of NASCAR, also many fans think Mr. Bowyer's spin was suspicions, and finally most of the "experts" believe Mr. Bowyer spun that race car on purpose.

So maybe the hardcore NASCAR fans are ok with all this, but will the sponsors feel this is a place to spend their future advertising dollars.

I personally think he did it on purpose to help his teammate Martin Truex jr make the chase (of course it didn't work out that way) but so what, there is no way that anyone car prove he did it unless the other folks involved start singing to protect their collective rears.

If I was Bowyer I would tell them all to kiss my big wide bottom and prove that I did it. They can't, and that, I suspect, might be the reason NASCAR had to let him chase. They had no choice.

This is not good for NASCAR, no matter how anybody tries to spin it, there is big white elephant in NASCAR's hauler and it will soon dump a pile of dudu right in the corner of their double wide.

This is not over folks. It is just taking a chase break.

I love this sport and even though mi volante favorito Juan Pablo is gone, I'm staying because I can't get enough of this soap opera.

As always this is a fans opinion and from what I understand everybody has one and I'm thankful for that.

Enough said

September 20, 2013  08:56 PM ET

It is what it is.. Nascar got what it wanted.. it got all the 'top tier' teams and its 'sponsors' into the Chase.. and with only one casualty.. Truex.. he was the sacrificial lamb in all of this.. if he wasn't.. why would Nascar have let Logano into the Chase after the deal was revealed between Logano & Gilliland at Richmond??..

September 20, 2013  09:58 PM ET
QUOTE(#1):

It is what it is.. Nascar got what it wanted.. it got all the 'top tier' teams and its 'sponsors' into the Chase.. and with only one casualty.. Truex.. he was the sacrificial lamb in all of this.. if he wasn't.. why would Nascar have let Logano into the Chase after the deal was revealed between Logano & Gilliland at Richmond??..

I agree.............

September 21, 2013  05:18 PM ET

From a legal standpoint, Nascar has said they could not prove the spin was intentional.......we know different, but I am using their legal stance to make a point.....so based on that, why should he be removed?

Totally agree that Truex was the sacrificial lamb here......and there is no ABSOLUTE way to know if Newman and Gordon would have made the Chase without this Bowyer spin.......10-11 laps t0 go.....could have been another caution or two.........and Newman's pit stop would have ruined his chances and Gordon was iffy by this point......so everyone is screaming mad at MWR for trying to manipulate the Chase results.......but who is kidding who here?....Nascar is the one manipulating the Chase....they are guilty of exactly what they penalized MWR for.

Everyone is bashing Bowyer and MWR.....and yes, they deserve it......BUT, the reality remains that NASCAR has been turning a blind eye to many many things and suddenly they throw the book at MWR group.......while basically taking limp action for Logano/Gilliland dealing........and while doing nothing about Edwards jump starting the line and thus winning.

Nascar teams have been crossing the line for years......but it is as if NASCAR has made the MWR group the poster boys for every thing ever done wrong.....and because they went so steep with the penalties, while ignoring other line crossings by other teams, NAPA has decided to walk.......NASCAR is the real criminal here, specifically the 3 stooges that run it....they are inconsistent......they play favorites......and they excessively punish when it suits them....and they manipulate the Chase if it suits them..

I am in no way condoning what the MWR group did.....I am just saying that a lot of the blame belongs on NASCAR.

Bowyer should not have been pulled from the Chase (based on their "no proof" stance)....but if they did pull Bowyer, then Logano would have to go too.

But pulling any drivers from the Chase is a really bad thing....it takes away from its credibility and takes the prestige away from it........and making it 13 this year?........that is so beyond ridiculous.

I am very disappointed In MWR and Bowyer but I am a 1000X angrier at NASCAR for their never ending inconsistencies.........and the games they play.


MWR and Bowyer are not the Criminals of the Century....and have not committed the worst act of Nascar teams ever.........and I wish folks would understand that they did not try anything "never tried before" at Richmond.

September 21, 2013  05:24 PM ET

As for Bowyer winning the Championship and that creating another big scandal...........no chance of him winning this year......too many better drivers ahead of him..........So for him and every other Chase driver, that is a big blessing in disguise.

September 21, 2013  08:30 PM ET
QUOTE(#3):

From a legal standpoint, Nascar has said they could not prove the spin was intentional.......we know different, but I am using their legal stance to make a point.....so based on that, why should he be removed?

Totally agree that Truex was the sacrificial lamb here......and there is no ABSOLUTE way to know if Newman and Gordon would have made the Chase without this Bowyer spin.......10-11 laps t0 go.....could have been another caution or two.........and Newman's pit stop would have ruined his chances and Gordon was iffy by this point......so everyone is screaming mad at MWR for trying to manipulate the Chase results.......but who is kidding who here?....Nascar is the one manipulating the Chase....they are guilty of exactly what they penalized MWR for.

Everyone is bashing Bowyer and MWR.....and yes, they deserve it......BUT, the reality remains that NASCAR has been turning a blind eye to many many things and suddenly they throw the book at MWR group.......while basically taking limp action for Logano/Gilliland dealing........and while doing nothing about Edwards jump starting the line and thus winning.

Nascar teams have been crossing the line for years......but it is as if NASCAR has made the MWR group the poster boys for every thing ever done wrong.....and because they went so steep with the penalties, while ignoring other line crossings by other teams, NAPA has decided to walk.......NASCAR is the real criminal here, specifically the 3 stooges that run it....they are inconsistent......they play favorites......and they excessively punish when it suits them....and they manipulate the Chase if it suits them..

I am in no way condoning what the MWR group did.....I am just saying that a lot of the blame belongs on NASCAR.

Bowyer should not have been pulled from the Chase (based on their "no proof" stance)....but if they did pull Bowyer, then Logano would have to go too.But pulling any drivers from the Chase is a really bad thing....it takes away from its credibility and takes the prestige away from it........and making it 13 this year?........that is so beyond ridiculous.

I am very disappointed In MWR and Bowyer but I am a 1000X angrier at NASCAR for their never ending inconsistencies.........and the games they play.

MWR and Bowyer are not the Criminals of the Century....and have not committed the worst act of Nascar teams ever.........and I wish folks would understand that they did not try anything "never tried before" at Richmond.

I completely agree. Of the entire groups Truex is the true innocent victim in this case. He was just out there racing like he should while his teammates were doing the deed.

Bowyer was penalized and that penalty was applied pre-Chase reset. He still qualified for the Chase being in the Top 10 in points, so he was in. It would be no different than Kenseth qualifying after his penalty earlier in the year.

NASCAR definitely screwed up the whole setting the field by letting Gordon in. What if something happens next year, are we going to have another 13 car Chase? Or how about 14 if that driver feels he was done wrong? The best piece of advice I have heard since bigger is better why not reset the top 43 in points then the fans can finally see what they want and demand, Cup Champion David Stremmie!!

September 21, 2013  08:31 PM ET
QUOTE(#4):

As for Bowyer winning the Championship and that creating another big scandal...........no chance of him winning this year......too many better drivers ahead of him..........So for him and every other Chase driver, that is a big blessing in disguise.

If Bowyer were withing sniffing distance of the Championship you better believe NASCAR would find something to take points away from him to remove the #15 from contention.

September 21, 2013  09:46 PM ET
QUOTE(#6):

If Bowyer were withing sniffing distance of the Championship you better believe NASCAR would find something to take points away from him to remove the #15 from contention.

Agree.

September 22, 2013  08:25 PM ET
QUOTE(#6):

If Bowyer were withing sniffing distance of the Championship you better believe NASCAR would find something to take points away from him to remove the #15 from contention.

This I agree with....

September 22, 2013  08:26 PM ET
QUOTE(#6):

If Bowyer were withing sniffing distance of the Championship you better believe NASCAR would find something to take points away from him to remove the #15 from contention.

But Boyer should of been suspended from the chase but probably Toyota had lots to do with keeping him in...

September 22, 2013  08:30 PM ET

Something new I learned the last few weeks that I found really surprising. There are only 4 full race schedule sponsors in NASCAR and NAPA is one of them...

September 22, 2013  11:23 PM ET
QUOTE(#9):

But Boyer should of been suspended from the chase.

Totally disagree with that.........Nascar has made a mockery of the Chase by yanking drivers in and out of it, and making it 13..........the only condition where a driver should be removed from the Chase is if they intentionally hurt another driver or pit crew (ie use their car as a weapon).......and this removal would be due to said driver being suspended from racing.

Bowyer did not hurt anyone, and the MWR penalties were tough enough.

September 23, 2013  12:00 AM ET
QUOTE(#11):

Totally disagree with that.........Nascar has made a mockery of the Chase by yanking drivers in and out of it, and making it 13..........the only condition where a driver should be removed from the Chase is if they intentionally hurt another driver or pit crew (ie use their car as a weapon).......and this removal would be due to said driver being suspended from racing.Bowyer did not hurt anyone, and the MWR penalties were tough enough.

Here is a question for you : Is this over? Will this hurt the selling of NASCAR to new sponsors?

September 23, 2013  12:01 AM ET

ACTUALLY WOULD LIKE TO ASK EVERYONE : Is this over? Will this hurt the selling of NASCAR to new sponsors?

September 23, 2013  01:05 AM ET
QUOTE(#13):

ACTUALLY WOULD LIKE TO ASK EVERYONE : Is this over? Will this hurt the selling of NASCAR to new sponsors?

The removal of any driver from the Chase certainly will hurt the selling of Nascar to sponsors.


Teams have been penalized for various violations every year and this usually does not result in any sponsor leaving.

We will never know for sure, but NAPA might have stayed if Nascar had left Truex in the Chase.

The whole sponsorship situation is very fragile these days........so Nascar needs to stop playing games with the Chase and be reasonable with their penalties........this excessive penalty to MWR, after stating they could not prove the spin was intentional, made the whole situation seem like a bigger crime than it was.

Once again, I do not condone what MWR group did......I just like to point out other realistic factors.


And NO, this is not over yet.

September 23, 2013  09:00 AM ET
QUOTE(#13):

ACTUALLY WOULD LIKE TO ASK EVERYONE : Is this over? Will this hurt the selling of NASCAR to new sponsors?

Rumor is that 5-Hour Energy is on the fence about their sponsorship, not because of MWR, but because of Brian France.

France's comments of he can do what he wants when he wants did not sit well with 5-Hour Energy. So this isn't a matter of the sponsor leaving for another team, which is what I see NAPA doing, but a sponsor leaving the sport which is extremely damaging to both the team in question and NASCAR.

September 23, 2013  09:03 AM ET
QUOTE(#14):

The whole sponsorship situation is very fragile these days........so Nascar needs to stop playing games with the Chase and be reasonable with their penalties........this excessive penalty to MWR, after stating they could not prove the spin was intentional, made the whole situation seem like a bigger crime than it was.

Especially after the Lagano/Gilliland incident came to light, and nothing was done to either of them.

September 23, 2013  09:09 AM ET
QUOTE(#9):

But Boyer should of been suspended from the chase but probably Toyota had lots to do with keeping him in...

If this incident had happened earlier in the year, say the first Richmond race, would there be penalties, controversy, or even a second look at what happened? Should Bowyer or any offending driver be removed from the Chase at that point?

The time of the incident shouldn't change the penalty placed on the driver/team. But that would require consistency from the governing body.

September 23, 2013  02:01 PM ET
QUOTE(#16):

Especially after the Lagano/Gilliland incident came to light, and nothing was done to either of them.

Exactly.

And 5 Hour Energy thinking of leaving due to Nascar's game playing is exactly my point in comments #3 and #14.

September 23, 2013  02:02 PM ET
QUOTE(#17):

If this incident had happened earlier in the year, say the first Richmond race, would there be penalties, controversy, or even a second look at what happened? Should Bowyer or any offending driver be removed from the Chase at that point?The time of the incident shouldn't change the penalty placed on the driver/team. But that would require consistency from the governing body.

Another good point.

 
September 23, 2013  02:39 PM ET
QUOTE(#15):

Rumor is that 5-Hour Energy is on the fence about their sponsorship, not because of MWR, but because of Brian France. France's comments of he can do what he wants when he wants did not sit well with 5-Hour Energy. So this isn't a matter of the sponsor leaving for another team, which is what I see NAPA doing, but a sponsor leaving the sport which is extremely damaging to both the team in question and NASCAR.

There is another rumour out there that NAPA is thinking of leaving Nascar all together....granted, this is a rumour at this stage.......but the domino's keeping falling.

NAPA being a full time sponsorship could have it's pick of drivers to fund....such as RCR unable to get sponsorship for a 4th team........and Gibbs would do a 4th team if sponsorship was available....and SHR still looking for sponsors.

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