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Oh and Cincy
Cincy: Yes? (MUTE)
Favre no more -beer sales soaring to great heights in Cheeseland
Squirrel - where does Brett rank on your all-time list?
I have him #4 on my list behind Montana, Unitas, and Otto Graham (1pt) . He holds so many records and was just so good to not be in the top 5, but Graham was great in the 1950s, (1pt) when the game was so different. Unitas is a legend, and the best quarterback from 1956-1970. Montana was the face of football in his heyday, (1pt) and those 49er teams were legendary thanks to him.
Favre is the best quarterback of the 21st century, by far, (1pt) but he has not surpassed his earlier counterparts.
And for you hemo?
Hemo: Montana. Favre. Marino. Graham. (1pt) Unitas. That's the order. Marino never won a championship, that's why Favre in front of him, (1pt) Unitas and Graham are from such different eras that it may not be fair or accurate to compare them though.
Cincy: I have Here is who I have better than Favre. Dan Marino, Joe Montana,Brett Favre in that order. (1pt)
Yes SB wins are important but to many people base a qb's success from Championships. Favre was a championship QB who played the game with reckless abandon like no other, (1pt) he will always be one of the best.To me he is #3
AHNN: Paddy - you take Brett in the top 5 as well?
Paddy: I have him #3 behind Montana and Marino. (1pt) Montana has had GREAT postseason success, and Marino set a TON of records while being very consistent. Favre never had a QB rating over 100, (1pt) but he was consistent and had postseason success. So thats why I have him at #3.
AHNN: So the top 3 in history gives us 5 rings total - Squirrel What about you? No Bradshaw or Brady or even young with the ONE Ring?
Squirrel: Montana. Favre. Marino. Graham. (1pt) Unitas. That's the order. Marino never won a championship, that's why Favre in front of him, Unitas and Graham (1pt) are from such different eras that it may not be fair or accurate to compare them (MUTE)
AHNN: So rings are not that important then?
Squirrel : No Bradshaw and Brady because they won rings, (1pt) and Brady has a few records, but Brady has only been around for 8 seasons. It's too early to give him top 5 all time in my book. (1pt) I would give Bradshaw a tie with Marino for #5, due to Marino's regular season success, and Bradshaw's four rings. Rings don't mean everything, but neither do regular season stats, (1pt) which is why Tony Romo will never be considered an elite QB. A top 5 all-time QB has rings and stats. (1pt)
AHNN: What about Green Bay? If we even open the doors next year
With Favre gone -
I am looking for someone to BUY Rogers seeing the playoffs this year
Hemo- are you a maaaaan???
Hemo: Heck yes I'll buy this. Aaron Rodgers did just fine against the Cowboys this year, and they're defense was pretty good (not spectacular by any means). (1pt) Also, he's been sitting on the bench for 3 years, (1pt) and is taking over a team that got to the NFC Championship game last year. There's talent everywhere on that offense, and it's pass-happy enough to hide the fact that he's not going to be Brett Favre with the deep ball. Any offense with Greg Jennings and Donald Driver (1pt) is plenty for a first year starter.
AHNN: And you Cincy
Cincy: I'm going to go with yes. He will. (1pt) He's been sitting under and studying under one of the greatest QB's in NFL history. He should be a fine QB. Along with as Brett Favre saying" this is probably the most talented team I've played on "(1pt) Rodgers can lead them to the playoffs. He played quite alright in his subbing chances of limited playing time. (1pt) Rodgers has had a lot to help him and with the talent on defense that surrounds him makes the Packers a playoff team.
AHNN: Paddy- You buying this as well?
Paddy: Im selling this one. (1pt) Rarely do first year quarterbacks lead their teams to the playoffs. Also, I think last year may have been a fluke for the Pack. Just the year before, they were very mediocre. (1pt) I doubt they will be able to get over Favre's retiring so smoothly. (1pt)
AHNN: Hemo? You buying a FLUKE?
Hemo: A fluke? No way was the NFC Title Game a fluke, and they didn't lose any other players off of the offense. (1pt)
AHNN: Squirrel You think Rogers can replace Number 4?
Squirrel : I'm buying this, I think that Rodgers being Favre's understudy for three years will work out for him, and the game experience he got this year was very valuable. (1pt) They also proved they have some semblance of a running game to take some of the pressure off of Rodgers and the passing game. (1pt) The Packers have a good enough defense, and the Bears and Lions are still that bad that the Packers have as legitimate a shot as anybody in the NFC to make the playoffs.
AHNN: Final Round Before the Cuts
And We leave Cheeseland for The Big Apple
Zeke takes another hit in the media today for Marbury
Paddy you Buying what Zeke is selling about staying in New York next year?
Paddy: Selling. He has RUINED this once premiere franchise. (1pt) He should be fired ASAP. He thinks he's doing a good job too which makes it even worse. He better leave for the sake of the Knicks franchise.
AHNN: Cincy- what about you?
Dolan is just that stupid. (1pt) We all want Isaiah gone because it is miserable to watch them.They have a talented team but will never get anything done with Isaih. (1pt) But if Thomas hasn't been fired yet with all the critisism and other issues what makes you think he wont be back next year?
Squirrel : I'm selling this. There is so much utter crap from Isiah that has been swirling around Isiah that could justify this, (1pt) and I think that Dolan will realize, finally, that there is a limit for everything, even Isiah.
Hemo: There's no way that Zeke fires himself, (1pt) and there's no way that Dolan realizes what happened, so Zeke's going to dig himself out of the hole he was in. People do forget how good of a drafter he is, with Tracy McGrady, (1pt) David Lee and Nate Robinson being some of the top talent he's snagged at weird times. (5pt)
AHNN: Someone's been reading my Tds!!!
Final Horn is there and it's Cut time
Sorry Paddy and Cincy- See you next time
AHNN: Its is down to Hemo and Squirrel
First - Prince gets renewed - and gets ticked!
Hemo did the Brewers just make sure Prince is Gone as soon as he can?
Hemo: Well, as a small market team with ownership that doesn't contribute at the same level as most teams in the league, the Brewers are going to end up losing him to a big money franchise at some point anyways. They're going to trade him for more prospects than one could shake a stick at. You think the Braves shelled out for Teixeira, whoever gets Prince is going to be giving up more than that.
Squirrel: I don't think this is as big of a deal as it's being portrayed as, the Brewers need Prince, and they know that. They will do everything they can to re-sign him, but renewing him now guarantees him for the season, wherein they can renegotiate to get him the deal he deserves. The Twins did it last year with Joe Mauer. They paid him the minimum they could, before signing him to a long term deal, and I think the same thing is happening in Milwaukee.
AHNN: Love the Squirrel thinking Bug is buying long term-but can't see it - point to Squirrel just on faith
Theo Huxtable to the Pistons - more front line help there- So Squirrel - did the Pistons just move back in front of Cassel and the Celtics?
Squirrel: H(beep) yes. Any time you can add someone who played Bill Cosby's son, you're improving your team. The Celtics have absolutely NO shot now....
Hemo: I think that after they screwed up the Primoz Brezec deal, and ended up shipping him to Toronto, Joe Dumars wanted a shotblocking prescence. I don't care who you are, Theo Ratliff is still a defensive game changer.
Squirrel: If you mean Theo Ratliff, then no, he's injury-prone, he sat out half of this year already, and he isn't enough of a boost to throw the Pistons over the top in the Eastern Conference. The Celtics frontcourt will dominate Ratliff.
AHNN: Sorry I think Lisa Bonet is too much of a distraction Point to Squirrel- But he waffled point to Hemo
Bill Simmons -the patron saint of your host- Had a thought on the Sonics - drop Memphis move THEM to Oklahoma - and keep the sonics there -
Make the Owners swap out as well.
Squirrel - You like the Commish being able to do that.
Squirrel: I like the idea because Memphis has absolutely no fan support in the city, but Seattle has that "history" factor that they should not be forced out. On the owners swapping, I don't like that, I know it happened once before, but I don't think Stern should allow two owners to basically trade franchises.
Hemo: Anyone remember what happened when the NHL tried this with the San Jose Sharks and the Minnesota North Stars? It set both franchises back five years, this is a ridiculous idea, not to mention, the arena in Seattle's horrible and the one in Memphis is one of the nicest in the league. All around no.
AHNN: It would be ridiculous- but it has happened several times before- point and game to the rodent
Squirrel: NFL contracts have gone off the deep end. Guys like Bernard Berrian are being paid over $40 million contracts. Ridiculous! He hasn't caught over 1000 yards in his career! The Vikings needed to improve their receiving corps, but I don't think shelling out the big bucks for this guy was worth it. HOOORN
AHNN: Nice work for a furball