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Welcome to the fifth edition of the Hockey Education Committee mailbag! For those of you who are new readers to this series, please make sure to read the four previous editions of the mailbag:

I, II, III, IV

Before I launch into your questions, I have to give my congratulations to a special team. Team Canada's under-20 team won the gold medal in the World Junior Hockey Championships. Canada won their fifth consecutive gold medal in the event, yet this team was somehow more special than the rest of them thanks to their never-say-die attitude and status as a quasi-underdog. For more of my thoughts on the game, please read my blog on the subject.

Now, onto the mailbag, where for the very first time, I don't start with a question from The Captain. Today, my leader comes from another regular contributor...

In your last mailbag, I saw a record like 33-11-3. I thought they eliminated ties. What is the extra column for? And how are points awarded?
         -The Rookie, Germantown, WI

I'm sorry for being unclear on this in my last mailbag. The last column counts for overtime losses. Some people also have another column in the standings for shootout losses, but here I have them grouped with the regular overtime losses.

The points system for the NHL is not too complex. If a team wins a game, whether in regulation or overtime, it counts for two points. A team that loses in regulation gets no points, but a team that loses in overtime or in a shootout gets one "consolation" point. You are correct, though, that ties do not exist anymore in the NHL.

Onto my next question...

G'day! I always like reading the mailbag in case I learn something new. Before the season, I had four bets for the Cup winner: San Jose, Detroit, New York Rangers, and Anaheim. I reckon two of them are shot to bits. What do you think my chances are?
         -The Aussie Hockey Fan, Warragul

I'd say your chances are pretty good. I'm about 95% positive that either San Jose or Detroit will end up hoisting the Stanley Cup in June.

The last time I wrote about the Stanley Cup and who I thought would win, I said that I still believe in my Red Wings and that the Sharks will likely flame out in the playoffs. My stance on Detroit hasn't changed one bit (they still have the best experience and best big-game pedigree), but my anti-San Jose stance has definitely softened a little bit. This San Jose team just doesn't look like they'll ever quit.

Big Joe Thornton may not be the most sterling playoff performer, but his supporting cast has definitely shown that they will be able to step up. Devin Setoguchi could become the next great playoffs star, and the Sharks have a very solid defense and a stud goalie in Evgeni Nabokov, both key ingredients to a playoff contender. If the Red Wings falter in their quest, then the Sharks should be more than good enough to take the Cup. I wouldn't call them 1 and 1A, but they're definitely the top two.

The next question comes from yet another return contributor, with very likely my favourite question of the year.

Could you give us a bit of insight into one of the most under-appreciated lines in NHL history, the Grind Line?
         -Putting On The Foil in California

The Grind Line is one of my favourite lines in NHL history. It originally consisted of Detroit Red Wings checkers Kris Draper, Kirk Maltby, and Joey Kocur, but the third member switched to Darren McCarty after Kocur's retirement in 1997, giving it the familiar form that people hear about.

This line was an incredibly vital part of the Red Wings through their two consecutive Stanley Cups wins in 1997 and 1998. They were a defensive line that shut down opponents, kicked serious behind, and never ever quit. They were almost always matched up against their opponents' top line, and wore them down thanks to relentless effort. They never hesitated to mix it up with opponents.

Draper was an incredible face-off man, and was more than sterling defensively, winning a Selke Trophy in 2004. Maltby was the solid checker who often had a knack for frustrating opponents into cheap penalties. McCarty was a classic enforcer, often seen with blood on him, with a knack for scoring big goals. They all helped protect Detroit's skilled players and ensured that Detroit would not be messed with.

Here's a question from a regular reader, yet a first-time contributor to the series.

Can you explain no-touch icing and give us your views on the subject?
         -Your Friendly Neighbourhood British Hockey Fan

In the NHL, icing is when a player shoots the puck from his own side behind the centre red line into the other end of the ice behind the opponent's goal line, and it is touched by the opponent. The diagram of the average ice surface is shown below:

Hockey Rink Diagram

However, in every single amateur league around the world, icing is called without the opponent touching the puck, making it... no-touch icing.

Touch icing has gotten its fair share of criticism, mainly due to injuries suffered by defensemen when going back to get the puck for icing while being chased by a fore-checked. One of the most recent examples of this is Minnesota Wild defenseman Kurtis Foster. Last season, when going back for icing, he was pushed into the board by San Jose Sharks forward Torrey Mitchell, resulting in a broken femur that he still hasn't recovered from.

However, I don't think that the NHL should go to no-touch icing. One of the main qualms against touch icing is that players are put into dangerous situations, yet in the NHL people should be able to avoid those dangerous positions. If there is going to be an icing call, it should also be because the team deliberately got rid of the puck to delay the game. Keeping touch icing ensures that it is only for real cases.

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THE HOCKEY GLOSSARY!!!

Crossbar: the top bar of a goalie net
Cycling the puck: an offensive system that is espoused by most hockey teams, where it is passed around deep in the offensive zone into the corners, to set up a goal
Power play: when a team has a man advantage (or two) thanks to a penalty/penalties on the opponent
Composite: the main type of hockey stick used in the NHL, which is made up of various light metals as opposed to wood
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Time for one more question...

Do you think the current system of playoff seeding is fair; i.e., the winners of the divisions being seeded 1, 2 and 3 despite the fact that a non-division winner may have a higher point total?
         -Your Friendly Neighbourhood British Hockey Fan (again)

This is a very difficult issue to tackle. On one hand, there's the belief that there should be a reward for winning your division, which is home-ice advantage. One the other hand, there's the fact that a lot of poor teams who lucked into an awful division end up hosting a superior team, which could be seen as unjust.

Personally, I like the idea of there being a reward for winning your division, which is a home playoff series. Each team plays 24 games within their division, and coming out on team means that you were able to take care of business among your immediate contemporaries.

However, what I think would work better is a system similar to what the NBA has right now. In the NBA, each conference's top four teams (three division winners and top non-division winner) are seeded according to their record. It means that not only division winners get their reward, but teams that are vastly better are seeded accordingly. It's a win-win in my books.

Thank you very much for reading this week's mailbag! Please FanMail me any questions you have, or any terms you want to be defined. Hope you enjoyed!

January 10, 2009  10:32 PM ET

Another quality edition. I was a big Lindros fan, even wore a Lindros Flyers road sweater to a Sadie Hawkins dance in high school and I can remember gaining so much admiration for the Grind line when they took it to the Lindros Legion of Doom line in that Cup Final. Even with Draper coming back after the Lemeiux hit and just continuing to grow as a player. Not too many players could ever come back the same after a hit like that. Draper got better and is one of my all-time guys.

January 10, 2009  11:28 PM ET

Congratulations Redwing on another great hockey education post and on winning the Zing Tournament.

It does look like it might be a Sharks/Wings western championship, but watch out for the Flyers and Bruins in the east.

Some sports in the past (namely the NBA and MLB) have had best of five rather than best of seven in the first round of the playoffs. Do you think this is a good idea for the NHL and for all hockey (amateur and professional) in general?

January 11, 2009  12:01 AM ET

Good Stuff!

January 11, 2009  01:03 AM ET

Great job.

I agree with your last point, especially for the NFL. If you are a division winner (Chargers) yet the Colts have the better record, why should the Chargers get the privlege of playing at home? They shouldn't, and I do like the NBA playoff system on how the home court advantage is set up.

January 11, 2009  11:16 AM ET

You Yoda and Oilers could start a College Hockey class somewhere in Canada.

(I would not say BigAlke because his grading for essays and such would be too critical and hard.)

January 11, 2009  04:06 PM ET

Another typical great job done Redwing. Although, I have some reservations about the no-touch icing. It doesn't happen every game but, when it does, its just plain ugly.

January 11, 2009  04:18 PM ET

Just a quick note from your last mail bag...
Sheldon Souray. Hardest slap shot?
HARDLEY!
And it's not even close!

January 11, 2009  04:57 PM ET

Great job again, mate. Oh, keep the play off system thing quiet. We don't want to stir anymore civil unrest with the Patriot fans (lol).
Is the "grind line" a "nickname' or an actual line still uses today?

January 11, 2009  04:57 PM ET
QUOTE(#7):

Just a quick note from your last mail bag...Sheldon Souray. Hardest slap shot?HARDLEY!And it's not even close!

He doesn't actually have the hardest, just the hardest recorded one. Better than even your boy, Chad Kilger. Bobby was hardest in history, in my opinion.

January 11, 2009  08:40 PM ET

I agree that Detroit or San Jose will MOST LIKELY win, but you can't overlook Boston either.

January 11, 2009  09:45 PM ET
QUOTE(#9):

He doesn't actually have the hardest, just the hardest recorded one. Better than even your boy, Chad Kilger. Bobby was hardest in history, in my opinion.

Which Bobby? Holik, Probert or Carpenter? ;)

January 11, 2009  11:38 PM ET
QUOTE(#11):

Which Bobby? Holik, Probert or Carpenter? ;)

The one you revere. The Golden Jet.

January 12, 2009  12:32 AM ET

With respect to no-touch icing, it seems to me like one of those topics that gets debated all the time - at the NHL meetings, by the analysts, etc. But either way, it won't effect the game to any great degree. Compared to more important issues like the instigator rule, scheduling structure, overtime structure, etc, no-touch icing is a minor rule that won't help or hurt the game either way.

January 12, 2009  12:50 AM ET

Great job again, RW!

It wouldn't bother me to see no-touch icing in the NHL. I watch a lot of CHL games, and they use it. It doesn't really change the game at all.

January 12, 2009  04:57 AM ET

Sterling work, RW.

I'm a little torn on no-touch icing. Watching two players racing down the ice to try to be the first to reach the puck can be exciting - with that touch of trepidation in case one of them gets smashed into the boards.

January 12, 2009  11:49 PM ET

My boy is NOT...Chad Kilger, of course I was referring to The Golden JET. He brother Dennis could smack em pretty good too, though not nearly as accurately.
It's time to put in the no-touch rule IMO. What with players unable to hold up other players rushing down the ice, these guys can now run a guy without any obstruction or hold up at all. Plus the latest trend I've been seeing is guys tripping up guys with their sticks. These jerks have absolutely no respect. I wish they would put a rule in that if a guy injures a player with a cheap shot then that player should be suspended until the injured player can resume playing.

As far as the cup...come on homer, The Sharks are still over-rated and if you want a real good sleeper in that conference, take a closer look at Calgary, since they play in the most competitive division and play the least OT games.

As far as the EAST?
The Bruins are the Best Team in the NHL right now, but I still like Washington to go to the big dance.
Lets see what happens at the Trade deadline...I can see the East winning the Cup this season. Better conference over-all.
What else...?
Oh yeah...how the heck can that bozo from Britain call himself "friendly neighbourhood" anything?...Who the heck thinks that Britain is in the neighbourhood of North America...
Sheesh...some peoples kids.
My word.
Hull did have the hardest and fastest shot!
He even got it down to ripping it by only bringing his stick back to his knee too...118 mph plus...the guy was a freak of nature...

January 12, 2009  11:49 PM ET

Wow...that was a longer post than I thought it was...Guess I'll go and read it now...LOL

January 13, 2009  04:08 AM ET

BOZO? Charming. I bet you shout at kids to get off your lawn, don't you?

Well, at least you can spell neighbourhood. We taught you that much.

January 13, 2009  12:27 PM ET

Baun-ded: Rather long winded your post was.
I have thought of the same thing you posted about the injury & suspension being the same length. That would most certainly put an end to most of the cheap shots.
I met Bobby Hull once and shook his hand. You're right, he is a freak of nature. The guy is huge! His hands are massive, he could have very easily have crushed mine had he wanted to.
And as for our British 'friend', I guess it really doesn't matter exactly where: England, Scotland, its all basically Irish isn't it? (Just kidding Oilers please don't take offense).

 
January 13, 2009  05:17 PM ET
QUOTE(#19):

And as for our British 'friend', I guess it really doesn't matter exactly where: England, Scotland, its all basically Irish isn't it? (Just kidding Oilers please don't take offense).

Hey Torque; long time no see.

I don't take offence so easily, my friend. Although I do know some Irish and Scottish people who would very definitely not like being lumped in with the English ....!

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