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I think it's the curse of the idiot owners of both. Good read welcome to FN.

That was retarded!!! There is no curse and I want my 2 minutes back after reading this crap.

And maybe you should look into unfair trade laws in other countrys and numerous other reasons for the failure of the auto market. Ford didnt even get the government money only GM and Chrysler did. Ford has enough available cash on hand. And CONTRARY to what most people think Fords quality is now rated even with BOTH Toyota and Honda. And before you think im a UAW guy or Work or Even Like Ford. Im not a UAW employee, I actually think the UAW is a big problem in the Auto industry and Im a Chevy guy myself :P

And maybe you should look into unfair trade laws in other countrys and numerous other reasons for the failure of the auto market. Ford didnt even get the government money only GM and Chrysler did. Ford has enough available cash on hand. And CONTRARY to what most people think Fords quality is now rated even with BOTH Toyota and Honda. And before you think im a UAW guy or Work or Even Like Ford. Im not a UAW employee, I actually think the UAW is a big problem in the Auto industry and Im a Chevy guy myself :P

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Originally posted 01:52 PM ET  01.17 by JohnWayne506th

That was retarded!!! There is no curse and I want my 2 minutes back after reading this crap.

Denial is the first step to recovery:P

Try getting educated before you speak on things you OBVIOUSLY know nothing about.

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Originally posted 01:56 PM ET  01.17 by JohnWayne506th

And maybe you should look into unfair trade laws in other countrys and numerous other reasons for the failure of the auto market. Ford didnt even get the government money only GM and Chrysler did. Ford has enough available cash on hand. And CONTRARY to what most people think Fords quality is now rated even with BOTH Toyota and Honda. And before you think im a UAW guy or Work or Even Like Ford. Im not a UAW employee, I actually think the UAW is a big problem in the Auto industry and Im a Chevy guy myself :P

This was supposed to be about how I see a curse and the parallel's that support my idea. Not to get all political, But the big three and their auto unions have done in the city and it's workers, its obvious. I see that the average pay of UAW workers with bennies is $70/ hour on average. Unions are needed, but the UAW is a pork fat of that industry. The quality is good I read the magazines, but the stigma of what they once did still lingers in the air. It's true that the big three in the 70s-early 80's created cars to break down after a certain milage in order for the dealers to get the owner to purchase another piece of crap. The workers get paid great and yet GM loses almost 5k per car sold. So the quality may be there, but they haven't taken that big step past the Japanese and other forgien markets by pioneering new technology, they stayed the course like George Bush and look where it has got them. Ford Had a 0 emision ranger in california, it ran great all the owners said, it was some test program that these trucks were sold to basically test them. It was on 60 minutes so check it out. As i said the owners loved them, but when ford realized that it wasnt profitable (then) not thinking of the future, they recalled them from their owners and destroyed them. Detroits Big Three are stuck in the past. As for Tax breaks and free trade....Do you vote at every eleection, and do you voice your opinion to your representatives? If you awnsered no to either then don't blame anyone but yourself. We pick the jokers that run the country remember, and if people don't all vote every time on every issue its easy for the country to fall into disaray owned by special intrest groups and such. Watch Lou Dobbs on CNN, my friend. And Wake up from your detroit coma, no one can save your city but its citizens. I LOVE Detroit and all of its teams to the core I just wish they would again take the lead, they have the technology fuel cell, electric, bring it out now for a cheap price even at a loss, if you loose money with cars you are selling now why not try something new? In the end it would pay off for all, and DOWN WITH NAFTA!

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Originally posted 04:15 PM ET  01.17 by JohnWayne506th

Try getting educated before you speak on things you OBVIOUSLY know nothing about.

Know more than you think buddy. :P I drive a Scion Xb I payed 16k out the door, gets 33 mpg made in japan, cant afford gm cars with less options tuning wise. Good luck.

it figures you would live off the coat tails of gm and the rest of the big 3 then stick them in the back when you got a chance. alot of the retired people in fl. get their income from one of the big 3,so what do you think is going to happen to all those people when the big 3 fold ......broke thats whats going to happen. but like they say the first ones off a sinking ship are the rats, RAT go MSU

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you got me!