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See for yourself that a Nationals fan gets it...

If you "get it," then why are you a Nationals fan? lqtm.

Hey, DC. Smart post, good points.

But let's remember that Torre's had this job for 12 years...that's not your typical Steinbrenner-breathing-down-his-neck atmosphere. How many other managers are with the teams they were running in 1996? C'mon...the Steinbrenner you're ranting about has been gone for over a decade.

I think he played this one for the cameras, and it bothers me.

Sorry, but a $5mm offer doesn't qualify as a "crappy deal". If being the highest-paid manager in baseball isn't the job he wants, what job DOES he want? That's just weird.

BTW, Manny being Manny...

Gets tagged out at home without even sliding. Stops at first on a ball that bounces off the top of the wall.

But it's not the end of the world, or anything...it's not like he's slaughtering baby harp seals. It's just the ALCS. Why bother?

Look, Joe Torre (sadly) made the right move for him. I don't like it, but I agree w/ what he did. It's one thing to lose a fair amt. of cash, but this is a big cut from last year, regardless of how much the other guys earn. He would literally have to get to the World Series to earn close to what he had the year before, which is frankly an insult from Yankees management. Besides, if it was for the dough, do you think that Joe would be leaving the Yankees, whose 5M is more than anyone else will likely offer?

Larry, the $5mm was a "disgrace"? Man, you guys in Boston like to throw your money around. Big spenders! And the Yanks have lost their moral compass? Like until this point, YOU thought they had one? Give me a break.

LIFER, this is a big cut? He'd make $8mm if he made it to the WS. After seven years in the wilderness, don't you think the Yanks SHOULD make it? Man, if $5mm is an insult, I'm the old timer. And the first half of your argument says it WAS about the money, and the 2nd half says it wasn't. Maybe all this dough is making us dizzy.

LIFER* You are dead on ! Bravo and well said sir.

Let's not be so naive.

If the offer was for $1, he'd turn it down.

If it was for $100 mm, he'd take it.

So OF COURSE it's about the money. Geez, fellas.

Yankee - you couldn't be more wrong about this.

Read Verducci's article- http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2007/writers/tom_verducci/10/18/torre/ind ex.html

If it was a 3 year deal for $5 million a year, he would have taken it. A 1-year deal for Torre is ****. The Yankee's didn't want him back. Not seriously anyway. Sportscenter reported tonight that after Torre turned down the offer there was no counter-offer or discussion, the Yank's management just ended it. That's not a serious negotiation. They needed to save face after so many players and fans came to Torre's defense. They wanted to able to say, "hey, we made him an offer, he turned it down. Don't blame us."

But a 1 year deal, with ridiculous World Series incentives for someone with Torre's accomplishments is a slap in the face.

hyper, I hear you. But he knew he was going to get a short contract offer for less than what he was making. You knew that, I knew that. I wish that that he'd just walked away last week and avoided the ugly divorce.

I said in my initial post that maybe the Yankees were making an offer they knew he'd turn down. Highly possible. I was just hoping that after twelve years, these two would've found a way to go their separate ways without it all playing out for the tabloids.

BTW, Beckett is ridiculous again tonight. Freaky.

Hey i am a sox fan and i never hated the guy ! I always thought he was a low key, class act. The guy is the face of the yanks and will be sorely missed. He is a smart man and is proud of his acomplishments and he has nothing left to prove. The guy is Yankee baseball.Good luck in life Joe i am going to miss you.

A shorter contract is one thing. A 1-year deal is something totally different. I think he would have taken a 2-year deal.

I agree that there was too much drama involved in this but I blame the Yank's management for that (no, I'm not a Yankee hater). They shouldn't have waited 10 days to get to this and they should have negotiated in good faith.

Either they wanted him or they didn't and their offer and lack of negotiation tells me that deep down they didn't want him but didn't want the PR nightmare of just firing him (the Yankee's have several big Torre loyalists with contracts in limbo).

If they didn't want him, they should have pulled Torre aside quietly, told him that they were gonna go in a different direction privately and let HIM announce that he would not be returning.

I know I'm alone on this, but I'd love to see Torre go to Milwaukee (where his playing career started) and bring Pettitte with him.

And yes, Beckett is out of his mind in these playoffs. If only the other 3 starters could get out of the 4th.

The way things are going right now, at least one of those other 3 will have a chance to redeem himself.

Here's hoping...

What's maddening is that the Sox have/had little problem with CC and Carmona but made Byrd and Westbrook look like Hall of Famers.

Billy Beane said it once, but said it best...the playoffs are a crapshoot. They really are.

I have to say, the 2-3-2 LCS format is total crap.

When the teams are in close enough proximity, as Boston and Cleveland are, 2-2-1-1-1 is much more fair. 3 straight away games almost completely negates the home field advantage that the "better" team earned.

I think Joe deserved a little more respect than this. I mean with George's statement during the playoffs, coupled with a 2.5MIL pay cut , they knew he would walk. Torre will be fine. The Yankees however, are another matter.