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My 2 Cents About Banning/Deleting Users:

This has become a very hot topic over the last couple of days. There are a few users who have been deleted, one very rightfully so, one that may have been deleted without cause.

There needs to be a list of standards for everyone to follow.

1. Do a "list of rules", or something that gives standards for a user on the site. More than just the standard "terms and agreements". Items such as "no personal attacks", and so forth. These rules will probably be very obvious to some of us, but need to be put in black and white so there are no questions on what the rules are.


2. Put this list somewhere on the site where everyone has access to it and can get to it easily, so no one can claim ignorance.


3. When someone violates the "list", do a 3 strikes and you are out policy. Warning, suspension, deletion.


4. Give folks a time or 2 to redeem themselves. No IP banning at this point.


5. For chronic cases, people like Roy who not only launch personal attacks, but accuse others of not following the rules without cause or evidence, IP ban.

6. Have an open forum for folks to resolve issues like dupes. Personally, I find it amusing that people use dupes to vote for themselves, but there are a lot of folks here who do a lot of work on TD's and really do a ton of research and those folks deserve better. Caught using a dupe, the dupe account is deleted and a strike is put against the person who is doing it.


If the rules only apply to some folks, but not others, it becomes arbitrary. That's not good. The fact that people like Roy, and there are others but not nearly so extreme, can come back and just throw out insults to others, while others are deleted without nothing even resembling a warning, it isn't fair and isn't right.

 As long as there are no standards, there will always be debate and questioning why some users are deleted. The moment there are standards, it becomes a lot more obvious for all those involved to what is going on.

July 16, 2010  10:09 AM ET

I agree with the majority of this...couple changes/observations:


3. When someone violates the "list", do a 3 strikes and you are out policy. Warning, suspension, deletion.
- This is a great idea - a FM/email explaining the violation and informing the user they have received a strike. However, strikes should only be given out for a "high-level" offense. Maybe like personal attacks or something of the sort. Duping a TD could be a 2 strike offense/or even an automatic 3 strikes. However, you shouldn't get a strike for swearing or joking around.

4. Give folks a time or 2 to redeem themselves. No IP banning at this point.
--Can they even IP ban? What happens if you're connecting at a "hot spot" or college? (I'm a little unsure of how IP's work...so excuse the questions if they are totally wrong)

6. Have an open forum for folks to resolve issues like dupes. Personally, I find it amusing that people use dupes to vote for themselves, but there are a lot of folks here who do a lot of work on TD's and really do a ton of research and those folks deserve better. Caught using a dupe, the dupe account is deleted and a strike is put against the person who is doing it.
-- There should be a dupe-investigating group (or a couple user-mods). If there is a suspicion, FM the person in charge the url of the accused dupe(s) and a legit reason you suspect it. (Reasons like - he voted against me late will not be investigated. Rather, "he voted for my opponent in 9 of his last 10 TDs and has <10 comments" would be investigated)



I would add something like:
7. The user mod has a blog listing the reasons people got deleted. For example:
User_NAME_xxx: duping and personal attacks...

That way people know the exact reason for the deletion and we aren't left wondering why.


Also, when deleted, fannation should sent an email to the email address explaining why. When I was deleted, no reason was ever given to me. I went to log on, and it said account removed. I created dozens more accounts, if I put my actual name, it was deleted immediately upon my first comment. I finally got through to a moderator and my original account was reinstated. No reason was given for the initial banning or the reason why I was allowed back.

Communication is essential to keeping a good relationship between mods and users.

July 16, 2010  10:11 AM ET

To not belittle the point...

We need to know who the mods are. I know AdamLee is the night/weekend mod. I've heard musings that Red Hat is no longer a mod here. Do the mods still check "the moderator" profile? I just want to know where to send complaints/dupe profiles to be investigated.

July 16, 2010  10:30 AM ET

One more...

And this goes along with #1. Is it 1 profile per person? I know some users use alters (for those that aren't sure what the difference between a dupe and an alter, I'm told alter's do not vote on TDs) which they claim are legal. If you are allowed to have alters, can we make a rule where they are only allowed on T&R? If the alters come over to TDs, it becomes difficult to determine which are alters and which are dupes. I also think that alters make people think it's ok to create dupes.

Personally, I think it should be 1 profile per person, but I know the T&R people enjoy their alters, so I'm only asking for the alters to stay on T&R.

July 16, 2010  11:32 AM ET
QUOTE(#1):

I agree with the majority of this...couple changes/observations:3. When someone violates the "list", do a 3 strikes and you are out policy. Warning, suspension, deletion.- This is a great idea - a FM/email explaining the violation and informing the user they have received a strike. However, strikes should only be given out for a "high-level" offense. Maybe like personal attacks or something of the sort. Duping a TD could be a 2 strike offense/or even an automatic 3 strikes. However, you shouldn't get a strike for swearing or joking around.4. Give folks a time or 2 to redeem themselves. No IP banning at this point.--Can they even IP ban? What happens if you're connecting at a "hot spot" or college? (I'm a little unsure of how IP's work...so excuse the questions if they are totally wrong)6. Have an open forum for folks to resolve issues like dupes. Personally, I find it amusing that people use dupes to vote for themselves, but there are a lot of folks here who do a lot of work on TD's and really do a ton of research and those folks deserve better. Caught using a dupe, the dupe account is deleted and a strike is put against the person who is doing it. -- There should be a dupe-investigating group (or a couple user-mods). If there is a suspicion, FM the person in charge the url of the accused dupe(s) and a legit reason you suspect it. (Reasons like - he voted against me late will not be investigated. Rather, "he voted for my opponent in 9 of his last 10 TDs and has <10 comments" would be investigated)I would add something like:7. The user mod has a blog listing the reasons people got deleted. For example:User_NAME_xxx: duping and personal attacks...That way people know the exact reason for the deletion and we aren't left wondering why.Also, when deleted, fannation should sent an email to the email address explaining why. When I was deleted, no reason was ever given to me. I went to log on, and it said account removed. I created dozens more accounts, if I put my actual name, it was deleted immediately upon my first comment. I finally got through to a moderator and my original account was reinstated. No reason was given for the initial banning or the reason why I was allowed back.Communication is essential to keeping a good relationship between mods and users.

I completely agree that there are a lot of improvements that can be made on the list I made. I also agree that there should be levels for strikes, almost like the yellow card/red card in soccer where the red card would be for high level attacks and 1 red card is your ticket outta here.

July 16, 2010  03:09 PM ET

"one that may have been deleted without cause"

Who was deleted without cause?

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July 16, 2010  03:20 PM ET

Good blog sir.

July 16, 2010  04:22 PM ET

Banned.

July 16, 2010  04:29 PM ET

Well Said...

July 16, 2010  04:42 PM ET

Agreed. I'm still baffled as to why Cain was deleted. I missed it entirely - he was here one minute then Poof!

July 16, 2010  04:51 PM ET
QUOTE(#10):

Agreed. I'm still baffled as to why Cain was deleted. I missed it entirely - he was here one minute then Poof!

Apparantly, according to GoNets, he had posted some **** a few days ago??? Then, night before last, he got into a p.i.s.s.i.n.g. match with GTPX. GPTX kept antagonizing him saying the Giants and Buster Posey suck and they went back and forth for some time.

July 16, 2010  04:56 PM ET

No personal attacks? There will be 7 people left on the site within a week. Ok 4 people and 3 alters

July 16, 2010  04:58 PM ET
QUOTE(#11):

Apparantly, according to GoNets, he had posted some **** a few days ago??? Then, night before last, he got into a p.i.s.s.i.n.g. match with GTPX. GPTX kept antagonizing him saying the Giants and Buster Posey suck and they went back and forth for some time.

I was there with GTPX and Cain, and we were just joking around, no one was serious. I don't think Cain got banned from anything that happened with GPTX, Cain didn't really do anything.

July 16, 2010  04:59 PM ET
QUOTE(#12):

No personal attacks? There will be 7 people left on the site within a week. Ok 4 people and 3 alters

Moreso those "I hope you die" attacks that Roy likes to leave around.

July 16, 2010  05:02 PM ET
QUOTE(#11):

Apparantly, according to GoNets, he had posted some **** a few days ago??? Then, night before last, he got into a p.i.s.s.i.n.g. match with GTPX. GPTX kept antagonizing him saying the Giants and Buster Posey suck and they went back and forth for some time.

I saw the exchange with Gonets a couple weeks ago. It wasn't really **** - just Asian ladies with horribly huge breasts.

The shiny **** avatar with partial vulva showing in the TD section right now is much worse IMO.

July 16, 2010  05:02 PM ET
QUOTE(#12):

No personal attacks? There will be 7 people left on the site within a week. Ok 4 people and 3 alters

There's more than 7 people on the site now?

July 16, 2010  05:07 PM ET
QUOTE(#14):

Moreso those "I hope you die" attacks that Roy likes to leave around.

Just watch out for the terrorist geese with the rolling doughnuts and garden hoses!

July 16, 2010  05:21 PM ET

How about don't give roy attention and it will go away.

July 16, 2010  05:23 PM ET
QUOTE(#18):

How about don't give roy attention and it will go away.

Why should people like that be allowed to attack people?

 
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