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Race one of the Chase is done.

The Chase itself hyping it up to much and when the rain comes take the air out of it?

Or is it the actual track?

One tenth of the Chase is done and what do you think so far?

Are you a purest and the Chase just taking the wind out of the season?

Is there something that stood out at the race or the start of thr Chase?

Denny doing his disapearing act again? or way to early to say that ?

Jr surprise you?

Someone else who did?

September 21, 2011  02:28 PM ET

The media and NASCAR hype the Chase from Daytona in February on. Mostly the Chase never lives up to they hype because drivers just drive conservatively and collect points. They did before the Chase, the do it with the old points, they are doing it now with the Chase and the new point system. Yes during the summer you have a few drivers going for the win bonus points, but most, like allegedly Carl Edwards this year, do test setups in car when they know they are pretty much in the Chase and don't do well knowing that they will be reseeded once the Chase begins.

My concern is that the Powers That Be will see the "dramatic" fuel mileage finish as a good thing and keep Chicago as a Chase track, especially after the major shakeup in the points. The consensus from those who did see it seems to lean toward the standard boring 1.5 mile race. TV ratings will be interesting for the rest of the races, NASCAR gets a pass here because of it being a Monday race. See if Jr being in the Chase is the saving grace NASCAR wants/needs it to be.

As far as drivers, everyone preformed how I expected. Denny has been off all season so the bad finish was no surprise. Those who have been up front were up front most of the race, those were in mid-pack were mid-pack. Fuel mileage played a key in the final running order, so I wouldn't call any of those finishes "surprising". Kyle ran out of fuel and Jr didn't the opposite could have happened it's a gamble you win some and loose some.

September 21, 2011  02:44 PM ET

Raist pretty much laid it out. The chase didn't really do anything to change the way guys race. It's still about consistency. How else do you explain the vast difference in # of wins by those in the chase. You still have about the same # of drivers actually contending for the Cup. You would have to make dramatic changes in the points system to have any effect on wins. Like only giving points to top 5, 10 or 15 places.

I liked seeing Tony and Jr doing better than expected. But because of the fuel issue, we'll really never know what might have happened.

September 21, 2011  02:57 PM ET

did the three point play change basketball? yeah, but at the end of the day the team that most often put up the most points, no matter how much a different shot was worth. wins.

Same story here. I dont think there is anything fair or unfair. it is what it is, an articifial method to try to breath excitement into the later stages of a "season".

September 21, 2011  03:01 PM ET
QUOTE(#2):

Raist pretty much laid it out. The chase didn't really do anything to change the way guys race. It's still about consistency. How else do you explain the vast difference in # of wins by those in the chase. You still have about the same # of drivers actually contending for the Cup. You would have to make dramatic changes in the points system to have any effect on wins. Like only giving points to top 5, 10 or 15 places.

I liked seeing Tony and Jr doing better than expected. But because of the fuel issue, we'll really never know what might have happened.

Actually it might be more about consistency now then the win, especially in the Chase. Do you race hard for the win and potentially wreck or settle for second and the points, especially if the driver leading is not a Chase guy?

Last year Jimmie Johnson cruised to the championship at Homestead, and took up most of the TV time to boot, running second to Carl Edwards. JJ was content with the second place, and championship, instead of the win. Yes that was the final race of the season, but in 1992 the Championship came down to the final pit stop and final lap. Bill Elliott had to race for the win to potentially win the Championship, but lost out because Alan Kulwicki lead 1 more lap for the most laps lead then Elliott. The problem is you can't script that kind of drama it has to happen on it's own. Not every World Series goes to 7 games, or Super Bowl go into sudden death overtime.

September 21, 2011  03:54 PM ET

We need more conspiracy theories

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September 21, 2011  05:15 PM ET

I kinda feel like 22GA. Racing should not need gimmicks (The Chase, Wild Cards etc). The season is 36 races. That should be enough to determine a true champion.

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September 21, 2011  08:26 PM ET

How does Nascar justify charging a person big bucks for a ticket and then in the last 30 laps or so, have a gas mileage contest ( not a race ). The last laps are supposed to be a RACE for the win with a little pushing and shoving and the fans at a gas mileage race don't get to see that.

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September 21, 2011  09:49 PM ET

Raistwalker....well said #1 and #4

I was pleased at how well Tony & Jr did.......was surprised at how many lost out on the fuel gamble....fuel mileage strategies at the end of a race doesn't ruin it for me....but, for sure would not want to see that every race.
Hamlin doing badly did not surprise me and can't say it saddens me...10 of the 11 guys ahead of him deserve to win it ...(JJ is the 11th guy.. LOL)

September 21, 2011  10:55 PM ET
QUOTE(#6):

I just don't care for any of "what is is". I've objected since the beginning to the chase drivers not being scored as they finish within the 12.I WILL find a way to occupy my Sundays and occasional Saturday nite.I'll leave this new Nascar to the X, Y, or Z generation, whichever one wants it.

So, that means you won't be visiting the group anymore since you are no longer a NASCAR fan?

Sounds great.

September 22, 2011  05:34 AM ET
QUOTE(#10):

How does Nascar justify charging a person big bucks for a ticket and then in the last 30 laps or so, have a gas mileage contest ( not a race ). The last laps are supposed to be a RACE for the win with a little pushing and shoving and the fans at a gas mileage race don't get to see that.

Echo echo echo

September 22, 2011  07:44 AM ET
QUOTE(#7):

I kinda feel like 22GA. Racing should not need gimmicks (The Chase, Wild Cards etc). The season is 36 races. That should be enough to determine a true champion.

You want gimmicks check out the new rules for Talladega, bigger plates, and a lower pop-off point for water overflow. Both an attempt to break the 2-car drafts.

Can we ever have 4 restrictor plate races in one season with the same set of rules used for all 4?

September 22, 2011  08:18 AM ET
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If Kryle had won on Monday, you would not be posting such a comment. There is no perfect NASCAR, never has been. Gas mileage races have been around the duration of NASCAR.So tell me, How would YOU fix it?

Put more innovation back in the crews' hands.

The cars are "the safest Cup car ever" (unless you dive them backwards with a wing), but in all that safety they designed the competitiveness out of it. Hopefully the next generation car will take the safety from this car and make it more racey.

Completely overhaul the schedule. There are what 28 out of 36 races at 1.5 mile tri-oval tracks? Bring the ratio down to a max of 10 races at that style of track. Add more short tracks, a road course or two, and remove second dates from many of the tracks. It's obvious that NASCAR can't fill a 200,000+ track full of people so bring the series back to smaller venues. That helps stimulate the local economies, and you have en entire generation of drivers who have never turned lap at a lot of the "traditional" tracks, meaning it's a clean slate for everyone. Oh and a must - RUN THE SOUTHERN 500 LABOR DAY WEEKEND! What they run now is not the Southern 500 it's the Rebel Yell 500.

Be more open and transparent. Put the NASCAR Rulebook online for the public to see. Currently it is the only major sport where fans can't get a copy of the official rules. For a sport that once prided itself as the "everyman, bring it and run it" sport that just keeps the everyman out of it. Also when a debris caution is thrown, show the debris, even if it means TV shows it after the track crew picked it up. It wouldn't surprise me one bit if NASCAR tells TV explicitly to not look for the debris. This is the biggest conspiracy in the sport right now, the random debris caution to tighten up the field, it's time to nip it in the bud.

September 22, 2011  08:20 AM ET
QUOTE(#11):

How would YOU fix it?

Separate the Nationwide and Truck series from Cup. There was a time about 10 years ago that the Nationwide series ran a bunch of tracks, mostly short tracks in much smaller towns, that Cup, in it's current state, never even came close to. Nazareth PA, Hickory SC, Myrtle Beach SC, IRP, and others I don't recall off the top of my head. But at the time the NW series actually did well and had it's own fan base. Cup drivers would occasionally compete in the series when it was a joint Cup/NW weekend, or an off Cup weekend, but they didn't dominate the series. But that changed in 2001, Kevin Harvick ran both series full time for the first time and did decent in both. Then it suddenly became the "in" thing to do. Now Cup drivers dominate the series and NW has become dependent on their participation to fill seats. Also NW has become Cup-lite and runs pretty much the same schedule no doubt because of the "need" for Cup drivers. Separate them, and you will start to see growth in both the driver pool, and popularity in NW.

Do something to stem the rising costs of the sport. This will be the hardest thing to do since everyone is an independent contractor. I read an article recently about the state of sponsorship and things look grim. Gone are the single sponsor seasons, so now everyone runs 3+ sponsors a season. Think of that Jeff Gordon has 4 sponsors in a season that is 3 less cars on the track because of it. I know companies are only signing on for only a few races a year, but that's because the owners are driving up prices and running companies out of full time sponsorship. It is becoming more about the haves and the have nots, with the haves getting more and the nots much much less. This is the biggest issue and the one I have no clue how to fix.

Long post I know, too long for one comment box, but I think for long term sustainability this is going to need to be done. Now hopefully someone will get off their kiester and do something about it!

September 22, 2011  08:28 AM ET

The easiest way to stop the gas mileage finishes and give the fans what they paid for, a RACE to the finish is a competition yellow in the closing laps, much like they do when they run a track with no practice or quals.

September 22, 2011  08:36 AM ET
QUOTE(#13):

So, that means you won't be visiting the group anymore since you are no longer a NASCAR fan?

Sounds great.

WOW, Do you beleive every thing you Read ... LOL

... He be BACK ! ! ...


QUOTE(#6):

Originally posted 04:07 PM ET 09.21 by 22GA
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I just don't care for any of "what is is".

I've objected since the beginning to the chase drivers not being scored as they finish within the 12.

I WILL find a way to occupy my Sundays and occasional Saturday nite.

I'll leave this new Nascar to the X, Y, or Z generation, whichever one wants it.

 
September 22, 2011  09:00 AM ET
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WOW, Do you beleive every thing you Read ... LOL ... He be BACK ! ! ...QUOTE(#6):Originally posted 04:07 PM ET 09.21 by 22GA ....I just don't care for any of "what is is". I've objected since the beginning to the chase drivers not being scored as they finish within the 12.I WILL find a way to occupy my Sundays and occasional Saturday nite.I'll leave this new Nascar to the X, Y, or Z generation, whichever one wants it.

Im wondering if the x y z generation pertains to JK and Me,,,LOL

UH, you have no heart,,LOL

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