NBA News Thu, 17 Dec 2009 00:48:32 GMT All updates on the NBA. A Couple of Average Joe's - NBA Discussion with DJ and JD <p>&nbsp;<b>Welcome<span></span></b> </p><div class="photoColWrapper"> <div> <img src="" height="368" width="368"> </div></div><p>Back at ya with another edition of "<b>A couple of Average Joe's</b>" where Djroxalot and myself talk about the NBA. Your comments are appreciated as well.&nbsp; </p><p>Here is the <i>2nd edition</i><br></p><p>[url][/url]</p><p>Lets get started with the <b>3rd Installement.</b></p><p><span></span> </p><div class="photoColWrapper"> <div> <img src="" height="370" width="370"> </div></div><p>&nbsp;</p><p><i>Topics: Iverson, Brandon Jennings... </i><br></p><p> DJ: Heard a lot about this cat and will be first to admit I am surprised after he struggled in Europe. But a good friend and former FN member told me he wasnt in right system over there, playing slow ball and all. And he has shown he can be another CP3 type of player minus the crazy assist totals. I do feel when Redd returns his ppg will decrease but he certainly ooks like he is going to be a solid player.&nbsp; </p><p>Joe: BJennings, yes in Europe he had to play a different game where the Coaches dont play the young guys much at all. He did decent in minimal playing time but no plays were drawn up for him. We forget that he didnt make it to Arizona so he didnt have a choice, he wanted to play so he went to Europe. But he is amazing. I am very surprised because he is making the Bucks a team to beat again. We havent seen that in years. With Bogut and Jennings we are going to see the Bucks in the playoffs, then add Redd. They could scare team.</p><p>DJ: Agree. But its also a question of how Jennings will respond to fewer shots. He will need to focus on being a better distributor of the ball. And he is averaging just 6apg to 3 TO's a game. Barely 2 to 1 assist to TO ratio. Also, the Central is weak so the Bucks should be able to grab a playoff spot fairly easily since they are competing without Redd right now.</p><p>Joe: And on to Iverson. What are your thoughts? I mean surely its a money move to help sell some tickets in Philly but its a feel good story as well, dont you think. Plus he was the best Free Agent available as well. Finally won a game with AI as well. I am glad to see him back but he is a shadow of his former self. He is not playing AI ball, he is trying to keep everyone else happy and dish it too much, he needs to take over and be the player that made him a 1st ballot hall of famer. </p><p>DJ: I respectfully DISAGREE!!! He is averaging 15.5ppg and 4apg. He doesnt need to try and take over because he cant anymore! He isnt the same player he once was, like you said. He needs to do what he is. Limit his outside shooting, drive to the basket and <br>try and make everyone else around him BETTER! He isnt capable of 20-26ppg<br>anymore but he is perfectly capable of averaging say 18ppg and 6-7apg. He isnt as good as Iggy or Young. And once Brand rebounds into form he might be the 4th best player on the team.</p><p>Joe: I dont know if Brand is ever going to be coming back to form, i know<br>you mean as a 3rd option but I think worse, maybe 4th or 5th. He might be<br>&nbsp;one of the better Eastern Forwards behind Josh Smith and KG will be older<br>but Brand hasnt looked good since 2005. Now what is up with Washington,<br>everyone was on their bandwagon this season. Even Porkins mother... Arenas<br>is back, same with Haywood and the rest of the injured Wiz. Abe Pollin is<br>sadly gone from the Basketball world and it seems like the Wizards are<br>thinking about it every night. When they beat the Mav's on opening night I<br>thought they were going to be really good but its all gone down hill. Only<br>amison is consistent. He could be an all star.&nbsp; </p><p>DJ: Meant Iverson will be 4th best player behind Iggy, Young and Brand.&nbsp; Doing<br> a TD that the Wizards are most disappointing team in the NBA along with Hornets <br> and Bulls. I dont know. They have talent but they arent playing defense like a Saunders<br> coached team usually does. I think they will turn it around and start playing better very<br> soon but right now they are a mess, allowing 101ppg on the defensive end.</p><p>Good job,Joe.</p><p>&nbsp;Follow Joe on [url][/url]</p><p><span></span> </p><div class="photoColWrapper"> <div> <img src="" height="330" width="330"> </div></div><p>&nbsp;</p> Thu, 17 Dec 2009 00:48:32 GMT Joe Dew NBA Power Ranking is back Christmas Edition by Joe <p><img src="" height="414" alt="" width="414"> <br></p><p><b>December 16th 2009 </b>- Thoughts on any blogs I should do let me know in the comments. I am glad to be back to blogging. Follow me on twitter for random facts and awesomeness, [url][/url]</p><p>Who would of thought? Brandon Jennings is the man.&nbsp;</p><p><img src="" height="423" alt="" width="278"> </p><p>A backup to stay behind D Will in Utah! <br></p><p>1- <a href=""><img src="" height="25" width="25"></a> Boston - 10 Game Winning Streak is something to talk about especially with how stacked teams are starting to get, the East has a big 4 instead of 3. Boston looks good, deep and most important healthy. </p><p>2-<a href=""><img src="" height="25" width="25"></a> L.A. Lakers- Kobe having a busted up finger is scary because he should be resting but for some reason Bryant thinks he cant sit. He could rest and it would be alright but for some reason Kobe is still playing. With Gasol back the team is awfully good.&nbsp;</p><p>3- <a href=""><img src="" height="25" width="25"></a> Orlando- Started off the season strong, best start to the season ever but then failed in Utah and Phoenix. They will regain composure but for right now they have to be behind LA and Boston. Scary fact is that when Jameer is back Healthy this team gets better, another All Star.&nbsp;</p><p>4- <a href=""><img src="" height="25" width="25"></a> Atlanta- Did anyone expect the Hawks to be among the East's elite and even the entire NBA's. Seriously this team has the best record since the ninties squads that made the playoffs. This team scares Boston as well. Ahead of Cleveland... <br></p><p>5- <a href=""><img src="" height="25" width="25"></a> Cleveland- Is the Shaq experiment working? Big Z set some Franchise records for games played. </p><p>6- <a href=""><img src="" height="25" width="25"></a> Denver- Carmelo is playing like an MVP and I must admit I thought this team wouldnt be that good with the losses they had in the off season of Kleiza and Jones but it has ended up not effecting them. I didnt think they would be able to compete with their bench but Ty Lawson is incredible.&nbsp;</p><p>7- <a href=""><img src="" height="25" width="25"></a> Dallas- Cuban said that this squad is better than the one that went to the Finals. Can you argue that? I mean they added Shawn Marion and Drew Gooden as supporting cast members and Dirk is also playing like is MVP former self.&nbsp;</p><p>8- <a href=""><img src="" height="30" width="28"></a> Utah- Finally healthy... The Jazz beat the Lakers, Magic, and Spurs all in the same week but then turn around lose a nail biter to the Wolves. This is something Jazz fans cant understand, being able to compete with Championship teams and then losing to bottom feeders.</p><p>9-<a href=""><img src="" height="25" width="25"></a> Phoenix- This is the season of rebirth because Nash is also playing like an MVP, it might just be going back to the run n gun offense. The Suns are undefeated at home this season and play a few in the next couple of weeks in Phoenix.&nbsp;</p><p>10- <a href=""><img src="" height="25" width="25"></a> Houston- Injuries dont seem to affect the Rockets. Ariza has been an All Star and a team of 2nd rounders that havent been expected to do much are winning games. Tmac is back and playing now too. </p><p>11- <a href=""><img src="" height="25" width="25"></a> Portland- This squad has the largest ceiling in the league, we just have to wait. Greg Oden going down again just sucks as a fan of the NBA. I wanted to see this guy succeed but looks like he will continue to be glass. Andre Miller can officially be traded now!</p><p>12- <a href=""><img src="" height="25" width="25"></a> San Antonio- Another team I expected to be better because of the deal that brought in Richard Jefferson but this team always does this in the season, they will get better when it matters in the playoffs.&nbsp;</p><p>13- <a href=""><img src="" height="25" width="25"></a> Oklahoma City- Last year when I wrote the power ranking I always had the Thunder in the botton 5 but things are turning for them. They are in a tough conference and that could hurt them in the end but did anyone expect them to be better than the thunder?</p><p>14- <a href=""><img src="" height="25" width="25"></a> Detroit- Joe Dumars is keeping this team compeitive with unloading contracts as well. We see more of the reason why Billups was traded and AI was not resigned. Ben Gordon is playing great and despite his defense his offense is stellar. What happens when Rip returns?</p><p>15- <a href=""><img src="" height="25" width="25"></a> Miami- I wanted to see Carlos Arroyo succeed in Miami but it is not really happening for him. I expeted Pat Riley to sign Iverson but he really is saving everything to bring in a Free Agent to help Wade win another ring.&nbsp;</p><p>16- <a href=""><img src="" height="25" width="25"></a> New Orleans- The bad contracts the Hornets have in Peja, Posey, and Mo Pete are just one of the reasons this team is falling off the radar. Trading Chandler didnt make CP3 happier and letting Byron Scott leave was another mystery in Orleans.&nbsp;</p><p>17- <a href=""><img src="" height="25" width="25"></a> Memphis- The Gasol trade a couple years ago is starting to not look so bad afterall because Marc Gasol is becoming a man among men. OJ Mayo, Rudy Gay, this team has a massive ceiling and a win against the Cavs boosted their pride.&nbsp;</p><p>18- <a href=""><img src="" height="25" width="25"></a> Milwaukee - BRANDON JENNINGS, that is all i have to say. Ok..&nbsp; A little more. He could be An all star, not with fan voting but the coaches surely will put him in.&nbsp;</p><p>19-<a href=""><img src="" height="25" width="25"></a> Sacramento- Tyreke Evans is a beast. Seriously, at the start of the season everyone thought Blake Griffin had the ROY locked up but Jennings and Evans are going to give him a run.&nbsp;</p><p>20-<a href=""><img src="" height="25" width="25"></a> Charlotte- The biggest surprise for me was the BCats landing Stephen Jackson and his horrible contract, I dont know why any team would want that on their books. Plus Tyson Chandler. This team is good but I am confused on MJ and his ways. </p><p>21- <a href=""><img src="" height="25" width="25"></a> Toronto- The Raps are finally using Hedu the way Orlando did, as a facilatator. Chris Bosh had a DVD come out this week as well.&nbsp;</p><p>22- <a href=""><img src="" height="25" width="25"></a> L.A. Clippers- I expected the Clip's to be better with Davis, Gordon, Kaman, Camby, and Al. Then throw in Griffin, but you know they are the Clippers for a reason. </p><p>23- <a href=""><img src="" height="25" width="25"></a> Indiana- Bad news with Danny Granger going down after a big follow up to his All Star year, should be an All Star again but the injury could hurt him.&nbsp;</p><p>24- <a href=""><img src="" height="25" width="25"></a> New York- Jonathan Bender on the Knicks, crazy. The Knicks winning games, crazier. Craziest... the Jazz earn their first round lotto pick this year. </p><p>25- <a href=""><img src="" height="25" width="25"></a> Washington- Upset that Arenas is not back to all star form but happy that Jamison is consistently good and putting up huge numbers. This team is a surprise. RIP Abe.</p><p>26- <a href=""><img src="" height="25" width="25"></a> Chicago- Well I bet they regret not retaining Ben Gordon now because even with a Healthy Luol Deng they are no where close to last season. </p><p>27- <a href=""><img src="" height="25" width="25"></a> Philadelphia- Went back to the old school logo and uni's, Iverson is back, and they avoided the 13th loss on Monday with a win against Golden State.&nbsp;</p><p>28- <a href=""><img src="" height="25" width="25"></a> Minnesota- Jonny Flynn had a career night and also beat the Jazz with the winning basket in the final seconds.&nbsp;</p><p>29- <a href=""><img src="" height="25" width="25"></a> Golden State- Played a game recently with just 6 guys, and numerous games with 8. They are depleated, I wonder if they will get healthy next year. No more mopeds Monta.&nbsp;</p><p>30-<a href=""><img src="" height="25" width="25"></a> New Jersey- Biggest losers, its not Coach Franks fault...</p><p><img src="" alt=""> <br></p> Wed, 16 Dec 2009 20:51:51 GMT Joe Dew 1st Edition of DJ/Joe Dew Bball Talk <span>Joe Dew:Hello fannation and djroxalot. Myself and DJ are going to start an NBA focused blog that will appear, weekly, or that is the goal here on NBA Fanz. It will run similar to Pardon the Interruption because Dj and myself are passionate about the NBA and don't always see eye to eye on the topics at hand, which makes for an interesting read. Rest assured it will be knowledgeable and wildly entraining. So lets get this going.</span><br> <div class="ecxSection1"> <div> <p class="ecxMsoNormal"><span></span><span>Joe Dew: Topics at hand, I was thinking what trades this offseason impressed you most and how so. I really like the Cavaliers acquiring Shaq. Not only did they unload an uhhappy Ben Wallace and Sasha but they brought in a body to help match up with D Howard since he destroyed the Cavs in the Eastern Finals last year. Shaq should really help take away the double teams that Lebron receives and then even though Shaq is older he still commands a double team in the paint. He can still score, he proved it last year when he was an All Star in Phoenix. I also like the pickup of Jamario Moon not as much a threat as Rasheed Wallace but still he gives athleticism and can jump. Leon Powe is a what if for me?</span><span></span></p> <p class="ecxMsoNormal"><span></span><span>DJ: Good to TD with another passionate NBA fan like Joe does the Dew. </span><span></span></p> <p class="ecxMsoNormal"><span></span><span>DJ: To me, the Spurs acquiring Richard Jefferson gives them a legit shot at dethroning the NBA and Western Conference&nbsp;champs, the Lakers. They also added some other pieces but RJ gives them a solid scoring option at SF over the wheelchair bound Bruce Bowen. RJ isnt the defensive presence Bowen is but he gives them a player that score when the offense bogs down and TD, Ginobili (when healthy) and Parker are struggling. Which happened a lot last year, more so than in past seasons. </span><span></span></p> <p class="ecxMsoNormal"><span>&nbsp;</span></p> <p class="ecxMsoNormal"><span>DJ: I agree with you to a certain degree on Shaq. The Cavs should give the Celtics all they can handle in the East. Not totally sold on VC in Orlando since he is more of a scorer and not the facilitator Turk was. But Shaq gives the Cavs a roadblock for Howard since Howard has virtually no back to the basket game. Shaq may not be the defender he once was but is still a 7-foot, 350 presence in the paint. And he held his own against Howard last year and is a better player (still) than Bynum (and Gasol), Howard's opponent in the NBA finals.</span><span></span></p> <p class="ecxMsoNormal"><span>&nbsp;</span></p> <p class="ecxMsoNormal"><span>Joe: I am surprised to see you enjoying the Richard Jefferson pick up since it makes your Lakers have a good foe in the West. I think the Spurs are the 2<sup>nd</sup> best team in the west and was really surprised the Bulls beat them last week. I think if they are healthy in the post season they will give the Lakers a run for their money, the Spurs don't take the regular season to serious. A deal that we haven't talked about yet is Ron Artest. I think it's a high risk move because they won a ring with Trevor Ariza but decided to go with Artest. I mean why mess up a good thing. But really the risk is worth it for the Lakers because they still have Kobe, Odom, and Fisher but if Artest doesn't have a mental breakdown they will be better. Dennis Rodman was way worse and Phil Jackson spoon fed him. </span></p> <p class="ecxMsoNormal"><span>&nbsp;</span></p> <p class="ecxMsoNormal"><span>Joe:I think the Blazers are one of those teams that could either be really good or just mediocre. Meaning Greg Oden, he is the big what if for the Blazers this season. I think Greg Oden is the key to the blazers success this season, not Andre Miller which was the Free Agent acquisition this offseason.</span></p> <p class="ecxMsoNormal"><span>&nbsp;</span></p> <p class="ecxMsoNormal"><span>DJ: I am not a big fan of the Turk signing by the Raptors. What are your thoughts specifically on the Raptors. </span></p> <p class="ecxMsoNormal"><span></span>&nbsp;</p> <p class="ecxMsoNormal"><span>DJ: Hey Joe, I love my Lakers but I recognize a challenge when I see it. And the Spurs definitely provide a challenge to the Lake Show. </span></p> <p class="ecxMsoNormal"><span></span>&nbsp;</p> <p class="ecxMsoNormal"><span>DJ:The Lakers upgraded themselves. Ariza is a nice player but will he&nbsp;ever be an Artest type? I have serious doubts if he can ever&nbsp;be more than a 10-12ppg player&nbsp;that plays defense like Bruce Bowen.&nbsp;</span></p> <p class="ecxMsoNormal"><span></span>&nbsp;</p> <p class="ecxMsoNormal"><span>DJ:Risk a good thing with Ron? Phil managed another major headcase in Dennis. How did that turn out? </span><span>Pretty good if you ask me. The Blazers are excellent but in the West I just dont see them being a major threat just yet. Just my opinion, they need another 20ppg scorer to go next to Roy. </span></p> <p class="ecxMsoNormal"><span></span>&nbsp;</p> <p class="ecxMsoNormal"><span>The Raps? 8th seed maybe. If Arenas gets hurt again and the Wizards lose a lot of players to injury. The Wizards are a team to watch out for. Turk gives them a glue guy but they still dont have a 20ppg scorer to stack next to Bosh.</span></p></div></div> Mon, 02 Nov 2009 22:01:57 GMT Joe Dew Franchise Fantasy Draft <p><strong>&nbsp;<img src="" height="351" width="375"></strong></p> <p><strong>A new fantasy basketball draft with a&nbsp;twist.</strong> </p> <p><strong>Each person will select an NBA Franchise and you will select a Starting 5 and a Bench of 5 from that Franchise, all time.</strong> We need to obviously exclude a few of the Great Teams like the Lakers and Celtics because they have so many amazing players in their franchise. I&nbsp;havent decided on excluding the Bulls and Spurs, think I will but dont know.&nbsp;<strong>Tell me what you think on that.</strong> </p> <p><em>But say i take the Cavs then i could make a team of&nbsp;10 (5 Starters and 5 Bench)&nbsp;with all time Cavs people. Another could have the pistons, nuggets and so on.</em> </p> <p><br><strong>So we will try to get 20 guys</strong>. Each guy will have a team that he will represent in the tournament. I want to make sure to take out teams that are unstoppable when you look at them history wise. Obviously the Lakers and Celtics, maybe the Bulls and maybe the Spurs. </p> <p><strong>What does everyone think? </strong></p> <p>We will do the draft in a couple weeks, on a Monday or Friday and we will select our franchise in that draft. So right now all we need are the 20 participants for our league so we can create the draft order. Then we will have a tournament to determine the champion for this new franchise fantasy draft TD tourney. </p> <p><img src="" height="450" width="375"></p> Thu, 10 Sep 2009 18:57:29 GMT Joe Dew Get it Moving, Revamp <p>Ok we are looking to get the group exciting and fun again. In the past the NBA Fanz group has been a top group on featured on the front page. We want to get back to that! </p><p>&nbsp;How did we do it? daily blogs, tournaments, and comments in the locker room!</p><p>&nbsp;So who wants to do what? Who wants to contribute? Who has good ideas they would like to share?</p><p>&nbsp;Leave your comments <br></p> Mon, 10 Aug 2009 20:26:26 GMT Joe Dew The John Stockton Hall of Fame Tribute <p><img src="" height="400" width="465">&nbsp;</p> <p>I will add to these but lets get it started off right.</p> <p><img src="" height="30" width="28"></p> <p><a href="">Si Gallery</a></p> <p><a href="">Stats</a></p> <p><a href="">Wikipedia</a></p> <p><a href="">nba history article</a></p> <p><a href="">Dishes out record high 24 assists in playoffs video</a></p> <p><img src="" height="254" width="308"></p> <p><a 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sends the Utah Jazz to the NBA FINALS</a></p> <p>&nbsp;</p> Wed, 08 Apr 2009 23:23:17 GMT Joe Dew 2nd NBA Draft Tournement is Starting Now <p>First of all here are the all anticipated matchups!</p> <p>(1)Hyped vs (10) 0x NBA/NFL Champion= <strong>Hyped moves on</strong></p> <p>(2) longhorns274323 vs (9) repping the 513 = <strong>Repping moves on</strong></p> <p>Hyped vs Repping the 513 = <strong>Hyped</strong></p> <p><em>Championship!!!</em> Hyped vs Travis 31= </p> <p>-------------------------------------------------------------------------------</p> <p>(3) Dyhard - Spring... vs (8)outlaw = <strong>Dyhard moves on</strong></p> <p>(4)- travis31: misses... vs (7)Joe Dew = <strong>Travis 31 moves on</strong></p> <p>Dyhard vs Travis 31 = <strong>Travis 31</strong></p> <p>--------------------------------------------------------------------------------</p> <p>(5)- KingAbe: Go Texas!...&nbsp; vs (6) xDizzlex aka The... = <strong>KingAbe moves on</strong></p> <p>KingAbe vs ?</p> <p><a href="" class=""><img src="" height="300" alt="printable 10 team double elimination tournament bracket" width="400"></a>&nbsp;</p> <p><em>Check&nbsp;Link for how the bracket is working!</em>&nbsp;</p> <p>There are the regions as well!</p> <p>&nbsp;Moving on to some basic rules:</p> <p>1- We need to explain in every throwdown that we had a draft where every player was available for the 08-09&nbsp;season and we had a snake draft to choose these players. </p> <p>2- Each team consists of 7 players, 5 starters and 2 bench players. </p> <p>3- List First with Rules and explanations of tournament</p> <p>4- Single Elimination</p> <p>5- We are debating Career stats, you can use prime years or career averages, whatever you think will make your team unbeatable!</p> <p>If anyone hasnt picked their entire teams and are not listed above fanmail me and we will see what we can work out!</p> <p>&nbsp;Check the <a href="">NBA FANZ DRAFT TEAMS for Tourney</a>&nbsp; for the actual teams that are competiting. </p> <p>Check the <a href="">2nd NBA Draft TD Tournament Details</a> for the actual draft.</p> <p>Questions leave them in the Comments field</p> Tue, 07 Apr 2009 16:52:53 GMT Joe Dew NBA FANZ DRAFT TEAMS for Tourney <p>Here are the teams for the draft:</p> <p><strong>Team Hyped</strong></p>C - Dikembe Mutombo<br><br>PF - Tim Duncan<br><br>SF - Peja Stojakovic<br><br>SG - Ray Allen<br><br>PG - Raymond Felton<br><br>Bench Forward - Richard Jefferson<br><br>Bench Guard - Kevin Martin <p><strong>Team</strong> <strong>Longhorns 274323</strong>&nbsp;</p> <p>Kobe Bryant SG</p> <p>Chauncey Billups PG</p> <p>Antwan Jamison PF</p> <p>Caron Bbutler SF</p> <p>Brad Miller C</p> <p><strong>Team Dyhard</strong></p> <p>Chris Paul PG</p> <p>Pau Gasol PF</p> <p>Richard Hamilton SG</p> <p>Nene C</p> <p>Tayshaun Prince SF</p> <p><strong>Team Travis31</strong></p> <p>PG-Jameer Nelson<br><br>SG-Gilbert Arenas<br><br>SG-Tracy McGrady<br><br>PF-Elton Brand<br><br>C-Shaquille O'Neal</p> <p>Andre Milller&nbsp; </p> <p><strong>Team Kingabe</strong></p> <p>Dirk Nowitzki PF<br><br>Tony Parker PG<br><br>Joe Johnson SG<br><br>Shawn Marion SF<br><br>Rasheed Wallace C<br><br>Bench:<br><br>Manu Ginobli SG</p> <p>Lamar Odom SF</p> <p><strong>Team Dizzle</strong></p> <p>Dwight Howard C</p> <p>Carmello Anthony SF</p> <p>Baron Davis PG</p> <p>OJ Mayo SG</p> <p>Boris Diaw PF</p> <p><strong>Team Joe Dew</strong></p> <p>Kevin Garnett PF</p> <p>Allen Iverson SG</p> <p>Grant Hill SF</p> <p>Sam Cassel PG</p> <p>Mehmet Okur C</p> <p>Derek Fisher PG</p> <p>James Posey SF </p> <p><strong>Team Outlaw</strong></p> <p>Paul Pierce SF</p> <p>Yao Ming C</p> <p>Stephon Marbury PG</p> <p>Mike Bibby PG</p> <p>Marvin Williams PF</p> <p>Steve Francis PG</p> <p><strong>Team Repping</strong></p> <p>PG- Derron Williams<br>SG- Danny Granger<br>SF- Gerald Wallace<br>PF- Rashard Lewis<br>C- Marcus Camby<br><br>B- Andre Igoudala<br>B- Andris Beidrins. </p> <p><strong>Team Husky Pride</strong></p> <p>Chris Bosh PF</p> <p>Vince Carter SG</p> <p>Russel Westbrook PG</p> <p>Ben Gordon SG</p> <p><strong>Team 0x NBA and NFL Champion</strong> </p> <p>Jason Kidd PG</p> <p>Kevin Durant SF</p> <p>Ben Wallace C</p> <p>Michael Redd SG</p> <p>Zyrdunas Illgauskas C </p> <p>Josh Smith PF </p> Fri, 20 Mar 2009 17:34:53 GMT Joe Dew NBA Fanz Draft Tracker <p>Hey everyone, I got permisson from Joe Dew to keep Track for the Tourney draft we are in. All I do is keep track of the draft so it would be easier to notice who is still avaible when you are on the clock. If you want you can fanmail me ur pick. I will list all the pick, here and keep track of the draft!! <img title="Lebron and Marion" src="" height="357" alt="Lebron and Marion" width="395"></p> <p>&nbsp;</p> <p>&nbsp;</p> <p>&nbsp;</p> <p>#1 pick&nbsp;&nbsp;<strong>Hyped&nbsp;</strong>&nbsp;Tim Duncan PF</p> <p>#2 pick <strong>Longhorns 274323</strong>&nbsp; Kobe Bryant SG</p> <p>#3 pick <strong>Mets Fan</strong>&nbsp; Lebron James SF</p> <p>#4 Pick <strong>The</strong> <strong>Commish&nbsp; </strong>Dwayne Wade SG</p> <p>#5 pick <strong>Dyhard </strong>Chris Paul PG</p> <p>#6 pick<strong> Travis31 </strong>Shaquille O'neal C</p> <p>#7 pick <strong>KingAbe"Go Texas </strong>Dirk Nowitzki PF</p> <p>#8 pick <strong>XDizzleXX</strong> DwighT Howard C</p> <p>#9 pick <strong>Confucsious</strong> Steve Nash Pg</p> <p>#10 pick <strong>Joe Dew </strong>Kevin Garnett PF</p> <p>#11 pick <strong>Outlaw- David Allen </strong>Paul Pierce SF</p> <p>#12 pick <strong>Repping the 513</strong> Deron Williams Pg</p> <p>#13 pick <strong>Husky Pride </strong>Chris Bosh PF</p> <p>&nbsp;#14 pick <strong>Ahung</strong> did not pick- out</p> <p>#15 pick <strong>Ny- Lito Sheperd </strong>Amare Stodomire PF</p> <p>#16 pick <strong>0# NBA and NFL Champion</strong> Jason Kidd Pg</p> <p>#17 pick <strong>0# NBA and NFL Champion</strong> Kevin Durant SF</p> <p>#18 pick <strong>Ny- Lito Sheperd </strong>Al Jefferson A.K.A Big AL PF</p> <p>#19 pick <strong>Husky Pride </strong>Vince Carter SG</p> <p>#20 pick <strong>Repping the 513</strong> Danny Granger SF</p> <p>#21 pick <strong>Outlaw</strong> Yao Ming C</p> <p>#22 pick <strong>Joe Dew</strong> Allen Iverson Sg</p> <p>#23 pick<strong> Confuscious</strong>- Brandon Roy Sg</p> <p>#24 pick <strong>XdizzleX</strong>- Carmello Anthony</p> <p>#25 PICK <strong>KingABETexas</strong> Tony Parker PG</p> <p>#26 PICK <strong>Travis 31 </strong>T-MAC SG</p> <p>#27 PICK <strong>Dyhard </strong>Pau Gasol PF</p> <p>#28 &nbsp;pick C<strong>ommish- </strong>Ron Artest SF</p> <p>#28 pick&nbsp;<strong>Mets Fan&nbsp;</strong>Carlos Boozer PF</p> <p>#29 pick <strong>Longhorns274323 </strong>Chauncey Billups Pg</p> <p>#30 pick <strong>Hyped</strong> Ray Allen SG</p> <p>#31 PICK <strong>Hyped </strong>Dikembe Mutombo C</p> <p>#32 pick <strong>Longhorns274323</strong> Antwan Jamison PF</p> <p>#33 pick <strong>Mets Fan- out</strong></p> <p>#34 pick <strong>The Commish- Out did not choose</strong></p> <p>#35 pick <strong>Dyhard </strong>Richard Hamilton SG</p> <p>#36 pick <strong>Travis 31</strong> Elton Brand PF</p> <p>#37 pick <strong>KingaBE go Texas</strong>&nbsp; Joe Johnson Sg</p> <p>#38 pick <strong>XdizzleX </strong>Baron Davis Pg</p> <p>#39 pick <strong>Confucious </strong>Emako Okafor Pf</p> <p>#40 pick <strong>Joe Dew </strong>Grant Hill Sf</p> <p>#41 pick <strong>Outlaw </strong>Stephan Marbury Pg</p> <p>#42 pick <strong>Repping the 513</strong> Rashard Lewis Sf</p> <p>#43 pick <strong>Husky Pride</strong>&nbsp; Russel Westbrook Pg</p> <p>#44 PICK NY- OUT</p> <p>#45 Pick <strong>0 times NBA and NFL </strong>ben Wallace C</p> <p>#46 PICK <strong>0 tIMES nba AND nFL </strong>Michael Redd Sg</p> <p>#47 pick <strong>Husky Pride </strong>Ben Gordan Sg</p> <p>#48 pick <strong>Repping the 513 </strong>Marcus Camby C</p> <p>#49 pick <strong>Outlaw </strong>Mike Bibby Pg</p> <p>#50 pick <strong>Joe Dew </strong>Sam Cassel Pg</p> <p>#51 pick <strong>XdizzleX </strong>Oj Mayo Sg</p> <p>#52 pick <strong>kING ABE GO TEXAS</strong> Shawn Marion Sf</p> <p>#53 pick <strong>Travis31 </strong>Gilbert Arenas Pg</p> <p>#54 pick <strong>Dyhard </strong>Nene C</p> <p>#55 pick <strong>Longhorns274323</strong> Caron Butler Sf</p> <p>#56 pick <strong>Hyped </strong>Raymond Felton Pg</p> <p>#57 pick <strong>Hyped </strong>Peja Stojakavic Sf</p> <p>#58 <strong>Longhorns274323</strong>&nbsp;Brad Miller C</p> <p>&nbsp;</p> <p>&nbsp;</p> <p>&nbsp;</p> <p>&nbsp;</p> <p>Those are the picks made. next 3 picks will be&nbsp;Dyhard, Travis31, and X dizzleX</p> <p>** Note: Ahung is out already</p> <p>Confucious is out</p> <p>Commish is out</p> <p>Mets Fan is out already</p> <p>&nbsp;</p> <p>&nbsp;</p> <p>&nbsp;</p> <p>Ok check back often,especially if you are on the clock!!</p> <p>&nbsp;</p> Thu, 05 Mar 2009 01:51:50 GMT longhorns274323 NBA Power Ranking March 3rd 09 <p><img src="" height="481" width="333">&nbsp;</p> <p>Lets get things started off right. Firstly, we have had a lot of changes with Allen Iverson getting injured and the Pistons playing better. Steve Nash went down and the Suns beat the Lakers even with Kobe's 49 points. Shaq looks younger than last year. Chris Bosh is declining after starting off the season hot. The Knicks are playing great and why is Nate Robinson a 6th man!</p> <p>&nbsp;Ok, here is the last power ranking:</p> <p><a href=""></a></p> <p><em><strong>High Riser this week</strong></em>- 25- (30) <a href=""><img src="" height="25" width="25"></a> Washington</p> <p><em><strong>Pitiful Faller this week</strong></em>- 11- (7) <a href=""><img src="" height="25" width="25"></a> Dallas</p> <p>1-(3) <a href=""><img src="" height="25" width="25"></a> Cleveland- 46-12 is the best record in the NBA right now and even with Big Ben getting injured they are still rolling strong. Pulling out a 1 point win over the Hawks, but a win is a win. They have a couple of previous Cavalier PF's that are eligible to rejoin the team after their buyouts in Joe Smith and Drew Gooden. Should be interesting?</p> <p>2-(1)<a href=""><img src="" height="25" width="25"></a> L.A. Lakers-&nbsp;Letting that game slide against the Suns was a little different to see&nbsp;since Kobe still had nearly 50&nbsp;points but the Shaqtus had 33 points. Did the Suns show that the Lakers actually can be stopped&nbsp;if you pound it&nbsp;in the paint. The Lakers need to see Bynum return.</p> <p>3-(2) <a href=""><img src="" height="25" width="25"></a> Boston - Playing pretty well without KG and now they signed the soap drama himself in Stephon Marbury. Actually a very good move and i think the BIG 3 can keep him in line and dont have to worry about him becoming a Cancer because if he does they can just bench him or waive him. </p> <p>4-(5) <a href=""><img src="" height="25" width="25"></a> San Antonio- Sadly this is the time of year that the Spurs always seem to creep up and show they can still not only play but win championships. Its an odd year and you know what that means for the Spurs. </p> <p>5- (4)<a href=""><img src="" height="25" width="25"></a> Orlando- Stan Van Gundy has transformed the Magic from being led by a shoot first PG in Jameer Nelson to a pass first flashy guy in Rafer Alston which is very important for the Magic staying in the playoff contention. Rashard Lewis is showing that he was worth that large contract last year. </p> <p>6-(9) <a href=""><img src="" height="30" width="28"></a> Utah- Finally the team is HEALTHY and watchout. The Jazz were the best team in the NBA in Feb and had a record of 10-1 which is a franchise best, even better than those 2 all of famers in Stockton and Malone that led the team for 20 years. Yeah the Jazz are the only team that havent lost since the All Star break. The have beaten the Lakers, Celtics, and Hornets amongst those wins as well. </p> <p>7- (8) <a href=""><img src="" height="25" width="25"></a> New Orleans-&nbsp;Well Tyson Chandler gets traded and then they cancel the deal because Chandler didnt pass a physical, crazy i know because he can play, and now he is back as a Hornet and playing very well. </p> <p>8- (6) <a href=""><img src="" height="25" width="25"></a> Denver-&nbsp;Carmelo was asked by Coach Karl to sub out and he refused so now he is suspended for tonights game. Not to smart... but this team is still deadly anytime they have Billups on the floor. Remember the Nuggets only have one all star this season and its not Melo but Chauncey. </p> <p>9-(10) <a href=""><img src="" height="25" width="25"></a> Houston-&nbsp;Well the Rockets could be said to be playing with out MR. GLASS aka T-Mac. So keep on eye on this because Yao and Artest have been playing lights out. </p> <p>10- (11)<a href=""><img src="" height="25" width="25"></a> Portland- Another team i expected to drop off and maybe not even make the playoffs but I am starting to wonder because they play amazing defense. Really i dont know what team misses the playoffs in the west but it comes down to the Suns, Blazers and the 11th team on this ranking. </p> <p>11- (7) <a href=""><img src="" height="25" width="25"></a> Dallas- The Mavericks seem to be that team that will miss the playoffs. I mean they seem so inconsistent and it will really come down to whatever team is playing hot at the end of the season. </p> <p>12- (13) <a href=""><img src="" height="25" width="25"></a> Phoenix-&nbsp; reported: What do <strong>Shaquille O'Neal</strong> and Marbury have in common? They are two of the three players (along <strong>Bernard King</strong>) to score 40 or more points with four different teams. Shaq reached that milestone with a 45-point outburst against Toronto last Friday. Raptors forward <strong>Chris Bosh</strong> complained afterward that O'Neal benefited from being able to camp out in the lane. "That's strong words coming from the <strong>RuPaul</strong> of big men," O'Neal told the <em>Arizona Republic</em>. "I'm going to do the same thing [in their next meeting] I did before -- make him quit. Make 'em quit and complain.It's what I do."</p> <p>13- (12) <a href=""><img src="" height="25" width="25"></a> Atlanta- Is Josh Smith for real! This team still continues to surprise me. </p> <p>14- (14) <a href=""><img src="" height="25" width="25"></a> Miami-&nbsp;Well D Wade had 24 points in the 4th quarter against the Knicks after he got elbowed in the Lip and had to get it sown up, some teammates talked about how that should happen every night.</p> <p>15-(15) <a href=""><img src="" height="25" width="25"></a> Detroit-&nbsp;Iverson gets hurt and then the Pistons beat the Magic and the Celtics on the Road. I think Iverson is going to the bench when he returns.</p> <p>16- (16) <a href=""><img src="" height="25" width="25"></a> Philadelphia-&nbsp;Things are working out quite nicely without Elton Brand. But they did have a lot of air time recently on Sportscenter with the Buzzer beating Half court shot that Devin Harris made against the Sixers which gave them the game. </p> <p>17- (21) <a href=""><img src="" height="25" width="25"></a> Chicago- I believe they are the first team to visit the White House and not win the Finals, but that all comes with the President being from Chicago and the Bulls being his favorite team. </p> <p>18- (17) <a href=""><img src="" height="25" width="25"></a> New Jersey-&nbsp;Still cant believe Devin Harris made that Buzzer beater half court shot after fumbling the ball to beat the Sixers. Watch it if you have not seen it!</p> <p>19- (19) <a href=""><img src="" height="25" width="25"></a> Milwaukee - Sessions should become a franchise PG for the Bucks. </p> <p>20- (20) <a href=""><img src="" height="25" width="25"></a> Indiana- At least i got to see the Pacers play in person this season and see the All Star Danny Granger before he was an all star. </p> <p>21- (18) <a href=""><img src="" height="25" width="25"></a> New York-&nbsp;Why is Nate Robinson a bench player, i mean he provides firepower but ever since the All Star break he has been an All Star type player. </p> <p>22- (22) <a href=""><img src="" height="25" width="25"></a> Charlotte- How was Emeka Okafor the Rookie of the Year in 2005? What happened to him since then?</p> <p>23- (24) <a href=""><img src="" height="25" width="25"></a> Golden State-&nbsp;In Sundays game against the Jazz Nellie rested Stephen Jackson, whom is the leading scorer and best player on the Warriors, in favor of playing his younger guys and giving them some playing time. Does that make sense to anyone else?&nbsp;</p> <p>24- (25) <a href=""><img src="" height="25" width="25"></a> Toronto- So Bosh has been called Rupaul by Shaq, whats next. Shawn Marion becomes the franchise player. Never mind that, he says its to cold in Toronto. </p> <p>25- (30) <a href=""><img src="" height="25" width="25"></a> Washington- Finally moving up the chart, they have held down that 30th spot for a while now.</p> <p>26- (23) <a href=""><img src="" height="25" width="25"></a> Minnesota- So should I have much to say here. I mean i really lost interest when they traded away... then big al got ... anyways Kevin Love is leading rookies in rebounding at 8.7 RPG.</p> <p>27- (27) <a href=""><img src="" height="25" width="25"></a> Oklahoma City- When will Joe Smith be bought out? oh and Kevin Durant is now injured, sorry OKC, hard first season!</p> <p>28- (28) <a href=""><img src="" height="25" width="25"></a> Sacramento-&nbsp;New look Kings but they didnt Land Nate Robinson but maybe they will revisit that this summer. Dont understand why they waived Drew Gooden?&nbsp;</p> <p>29- (29) <a href=""><img src="" height="25" width="25"></a> L.A. Clippers-&nbsp;Why did they not trade Baron Davis, oh&nbsp;guess it comes down to money.l&nbsp;mean the Rockets&nbsp;offered Scola and Battier for Baron Davis. Then&nbsp;the Clippers tried to trade him for a month&nbsp;before the deadline but&nbsp;no one took. Teams&nbsp;included the&nbsp;Mavs and Warriors. So why pull out when a team offers something. &nbsp;</p> <p>30- (26) <a href=""><img src="" height="25" width="25"></a> Memphis- OJ Mayo is a good thing to look forward too but they might have to wait until next season to enjoy it. I mean how&nbsp;can this team ever make the playoffs in their division, they are among the triple texas threat and the Hornets. </p> <p>Ok i&nbsp;heard that the new Halo Wars game came out for the Xbox 360&nbsp;so i better get going to purchase that. &nbsp;</p> Tue, 03 Mar 2009 18:17:54 GMT Joe Dew