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It is sad that so few of the people angry at Michael Vick have anything to say about bombing people in Afghanistan. Evidently, violence is okay, as long as the society says it's okay. The NFL and sports announcers tend to salute anything the U.S. Armed Forces do, so apparently people in poor nations are worth less than dogs. There isn't really time to talk much about one person's wrongs, because we've all done a lot of wrong things. So when people start getting obsessed with one guy, it really has the effect of not focusing on what they themselves need to change. Like Kwenc99 says, there are millions of dirty secrets safely tucked away.

Hey, welcome to the site. If you scroll through the backlogs in T&R and the NFL message boards you will find days and days of Vick debates. You won't even have to respond. Your argument will already show up about a thousand times. No offense, but this debate has been beaten to a pulp.

This is true in politics and most everything in life. You don't have to be "black" to be prejudiced or biased against. Judges have the most power any one person can wield. Our justice system leaves a lot to be desired nowadays.

On the 'Bears Need a Big Boy' board, comment #'s 47 and 49, I explained to a friend, who happens to be African American, what happened with me in 1992 with one judge. Both of us are pinkskins,the judge and I. (This means we're caucasian, and we're not "white". White is the color of my ceiling.....lol.....)

Anyone, anywhere can be prejudiced against, by any person in a position of power, such as this friggin judge. Read what I said if you wish. This was simply a family (civil) law case too.

Vick, Burress, and Stallworth are newsworthy, and so everyone knows about them. But, being that I had recently been honorably discharged from the Navy then, I got no media attention, because I was a nobody. I served in the Gulf War, yes, but I wasn't newsworthy as these athletes are.

After what this judge had the balls to say to me, I wanted to choke the living crap out of him, but I refrained. How can this corrupt system be changed? I don't know the answer to that, but if you had a fender on your car that rusted out, you'd change fenders. Judges need to be changed every so often as well, or they get too power crazy for anyone's good.

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Originally posted 01:55 PM ET  08.21 by LowCountryBrownsFan

Hey, welcome to the site. If you scroll through the backlogs in T&R and the NFL message boards you will find days and days of Vick debates. You won't even have to respond. Your argument will already show up about a thousand times. No offense, but this debate has been beaten to a pulp.

lol.....Ain't that the truth........if it aint Vick, then it's Favre, or Burress, or Owens, or..Romo....or..........(pick a name)

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Originally posted 01:31 PM ET  08.21 by gridironvet

It is sad that so few of the people angry at Michael Vick have anything to say about bombing people in Afghanistan. Evidently, violence is okay, as long as the society says it's okay.

Are you actually trying to say that those opposed to Michael Vick playing in the NFL do not care about those in Afghanistan or Iraq? What an offensive and irresponsible statement; allow me to educate you. I am one of those "people" you refer to; someone who refuses to become a MV apologist. Currently, I have three family members in Iraq, one co-worker in Afghanistan and one co-worker's child in Iraq. I can assure you I think about these individuals daily, and pray for their safety and their safe return home. And no, violence is not okay. It is never okay. If it were, everyone would be supporting Michael Vick.

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Originally posted 01:31 PM ET  08.21 by gridironvet

It is sad that so few of the people angry at Michael Vick have anything to say about bombing people in Afghanistan. Evidently, violence is okay, as long as the society says it's okay. The NFL and sports announcers tend to salute anything the U.S. Armed Forces do, so apparently people in poor nations are worth less than dogs. There isn't really time to talk much about one person's wrongs, because we've all done a lot of wrong things. So when people start getting obsessed with one guy, it really has the effect of not focusing on what they themselves need to change. Like Kwenc99 says, there are millions of dirty secrets safely tucked away.

I'm a veteran of the Gulf War when we ran Saddam out of Kuwait. There's a lot of times when there's no other choice but to use violence. If you don't stand for something, chances are you'll fall for anything, or fall because of something.

Are you old enough to remember Viet Nam? There were children walking up to soldiers with grenades and blowing them up..child, soldier, and whoever was there.

If you don't like the protection our Armed Services provide us, then feel free to leave. You have that right you know.

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Originally posted 08:32 PM ET  08.21 by bgduece

I am a Mike Vick supporter, but comparing the hatred spewed towards him to the daily struggles of soldiers in a war zone is insulting...

In this we can agree bgduece, although after rereading the post, I think it was aimed more to the Iraqi and Afghan people. Just as offensive. How could a person not feel for these people whose country is under siege? I too often wonder what it would be like to live that way, and realize how lucky I am to be an American.

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Originally posted 08:32 PM ET  08.21 by bgduece

I am a Mike Vick supporter, but comparing the hatred spewed towards him to the daily struggles of soldiers in a war zone is insulting...this is as stupid as the pedophile comparisons...We should all hope for the continued safety of all Americans abroad...two wrongs do not make a right...Those who spew the Mike Vick hatred, just hate their lives, and come here to express it...Just as un-american as it it to belittle our troops in a foreign land, it is just as un-american to continue that hatred against an american who has paid his debt to society...for those of who do not know wha the means, that they owe society nothing more...including you...

Exactly , How much love did Kelen Winslow Jr get in the press when he adamantely declared himself , "a soldier" after a tough loss. ? NONE.

and he had to apologize the next day.

We have men and women putting their lives on the line for this country every day , nobody should belittle their actions thru comparision with an Sports star who got busted for dog fighting.

You know what?What Vick did was absolutely disgusting,but he did serve his time.But a guy like Donte Stallworth can kill a guy driving drunk,and he doesn't go to prison?If you or me were driving drunk behind the wheel and did that,we would be gone for a longtime.And now a guy like Plexico Burres shoots himself in the leg,and he is going away for 20 months?So what the system is saying here is if you drive drunk and kill someone,and you are a celebrity,you'll get a slap on the wrist,and maybe just do 20 days in jail?come on please.

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Originally posted 01:35 AM ET  08.22 by bgduece

It wasn't meant that way, they should be greatful, as a military brat, who gew up outside the states, I can tell you first hand, there is no greater place...

Sorry bgduece, I meant to say "after rereading gridironvet's post I think it was aimed more to the Iraqi and Afghan people". I stand in agreement with you on this issue.

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Originally posted 01:30 PM ET  08.22 by bgduece

I got the post all wrong...Don't forget the Nameless one...lol

*laffin*...you're something else, man........and you think I'm opinionated?......:-)

You and I were to ever meet in real life, I bet we'd get along just fine.......

Two old codgers arguing whether the sky was purple or maroon.....lol

I'll make the point about Michael Vick again (#2). It is socially acceptable to be against abuse of dogs. That's a good thing. It is socially acceptable to be silent or speak in favor of the bombings of small nations like Afghanistan, Iraq, and Vietnam. That's a bad thing. Few of the people who are spending so much energy focusing on Michael Vick's mistakes have anything to say against the nation's violence abroad. He said it in 1968, but Martin Luther King Jr. would still be correct in saying today that the U.S. is the "world's greatest purveyor of violence." That won't change by focusing on one celebrity dog fighting backer, no matter how righteous his accusers feel. It will change by openly speaking out against the bombing of Afghanistan and other small countries. It will change by getting millions of students off psychiatric drugs and by addressing all of our widespread forms of violence, the ones that Clinton, Obama, Bush et. al. never even give lip service to.

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Originally posted 12:10 PM ET  08.21 by Kwenc99

After all - the man was guilty by association (because it was his house and a questionable ??? at best ??? member of his family).

....And, HE FINANCED THE WHOLE SHOOTIN'-MATCH!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Any "man" who FINANCES or ATTENDS pit-fighting is A SADISTIC-COWARD!!! They don't have the BALLS to do any (actual) fighting, THEMSELVES!!!

If Vick plays, again, fine. Better, YET...I hope he NEVER learns to stay-in-the-pocket. I'd prefer to SEE him runnin'-around, with that ball....so some animal-lover gets the opportunity to LAY....HIM....OUT!!!!!!!!!!!!

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Originally posted 01:31 PM ET  08.21 by gridironvet

It is sad that so few of the people angry at Michael Vick have anything to say about bombing people in Afghanistan. Evidently, violence is okay, as long as the society says it's okay.

.....And, the CHICKENHAWKS (like PIT-FIGHT-FANS/FINANCIERS) are STILL allowed to dodge any accountability!!!!!!!!!!

http://www.liberalslikechrist.org/about/chickenhawks.html

Well....one of THEM is payin', NOW!!!!!!!!!!!!!!