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In 2006, his Pro Bowl season, Young had a 51-percent completion rate, with 13 interceptions and 12 touchdowns. His team won eight games, and his quarterback rating was a 66. These are hardly Pro Bowl numbers,

2007, Young and the Titans reached the playoffs, but they did it more with their defense and a field goal kicker who missed only four kicks all season. They won four games by a combined total of 13 points, so their margin for error was small. Young had 17 interceptions in ???07 and only nine touchdowns. He completed 62 percent of his passes, but he only managed to throw for slightly more than five yards per attempt (great passers have to be over seven per attempt).

i think vince could excell with the right team. this is only his 3rd yr in the league. he may need someone like a warner to help mold him. collins is good, but vince will still be in the league in 5 yrs, probably doing a good job for some team while collins will be done. it takes some QBs a little longer to mature. vince was thrown into a starting role right out of college and may have needed some time to transition to NFL. don't give up on him yet....

I've not totally given up on VY yet, but I would feel much more secure if the Titans would start planning for the possibility of VY not being the QB of the future.

Our team is a good team now. We were just a couple games out from playing in the superbowl. Imagine if we had a franchise QB now. He doesn't have to be all-world Brady or Peyton. (though it would be awesome) We just need a good talented consistent player that can win right now and lead us to the future.

Next year's draft is likely loaded with QB prospects. We have Kerry for another year and VY may or may not be here (either due to contract talks or other reasons). Also I have no idea who can be picked up through FA.

Take opportunities when you have them.

The dude just isn't an NFL QB sorry. Awesome running game though, don't need him, and Javon Ringer looks like he'll be awesome. What a trio !

Interesting points. Vince does need to grow up. But I have often said that the Titans need to put some more speed in their offense. When Cris Johnson got hurt in the playoff game it was lights out. The Titans under Jeff Fisher play things close to the vest. I think with the right desire Vince can get better. But he needs to take that upon his shoulders for himself. And his maturity may take longer than some would like. I still think that this is an arrogant team that thinks they are good and they don't know that they don't have the "it" factor yet.

But it was written above that this is not Texas. Vince needs to take things on his shoulders and leave his team mates out of it.

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Originally posted 09:13 PM ET  08.24 by Blueraider22

I've not totally given up on VY yet, but I would feel much more secure if the Titans would start planning for the possibility of VY not being the QB of the future. Our team is a good team now. We were just a couple games out from playing in the superbowl. Imagine if we had a franchise QB now. He doesn't have to be all-world Brady or Peyton. (though it would be awesome) We just need a good talented consistent player that can win right now and lead us to the future.Next year's draft is likely loaded with QB prospects. We have Kerry for another year and VY may or may not be here (either due to contract talks or other reasons). Also I have no idea who can be picked up through FA.Take opportunities when you have them.

Physically they were a couple of game from the Bowl. Mentally they were a lot further than that.

Calling the Titans arrogant??? from the guy called Perfectpats...

Vince may have some hope with a different team. Mark Sanchez started only 16 games and the Jets threw money at him and want him to start. Matt Leinart won 2 championships and a Heisman and is much more polished, but after he broke his collar bone, is stuck behind Warner.

Matt and Kurt are like Vince and Kerry: Matt was starter, broke his collar bone and was replaced by Warner. Warner did well, so they stuck with him and they went to the SB.

Young was starter, refused to go in game, got 'hurt' and was replaced by Collins. Vince said he expected to start a few weeks later when he was healed. They stuck with COllins and the Titans went 13-3, best record in NFL.

This isnt college. You cant expect an entire NFL team to build around you. You build WITH the team. Its really the Owner's fault, tho: how many college QB's are special teamers, or receivers? Many. Home tome Bud Adams wanted his home town hero, no matter if Vince lacked the skills and mental intangibles to be an NFL-caliber QB.

Then again, in this day and age, we live in an era where 'stupid' and 'nfl owners' go hand in hand. #1 pick on Alex Smith? WTF?! #1 pick on Matthew Stafford., even though he wasnt great but has a 'good' arm? WTF?! The greatest QB's of all time werent even picked high at all: Joe Montana and #199th overall pick Tom Brady. Those guys knew what it took to start: work ethic. Yeah, Peyton is great, of course, but one thing is for sure:more top 10 QB's have failed than succeeded in draft pasts. Free agent Kurt Warner: Super Bowl Winner comes to mind.

Heck, I dont even really think Dallas is that great (JJ is an idiot), but at least Romo, who was a mid/late rounder from Eastern Illinois is having some regular (and regular only) season success.

Mike Vick? Seriously, the guy has was terrible as a QB, but Arthur Blank loved him, like Bud Adams loves Young. Make em a RB or TE. I mean, Fisher didnt even want to draft Young: they wanted Leinart cuz Leinart worked with Norm Chow in USC when they won it all. But no: SOme people are too proud and cant accept the fact that, hey, 'maybe we made a mistake' (Thanks George Bush, for reminding me of this fact)

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Originally posted 11:06 AM ET  08.25 by Blueraider22

Calling the Titans arrogant??? from the guy called Perfectpats...

I have been watching the Titans for a very long time. The Jerry Glanville teams were arrogant. This team last year thought highly of themselves. As evident with the Terrible Towel incident and the way that they played the Ravens in the playoffs. Don't let my screen name take away from the truth. We all see things in our own way.

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Originally posted 03:55 PM ET  08.25 by beebeebeebs

Vince may have some hope with a different team. Mark Sanchez started only 16 games and the Jets threw money at him and want him to start. Matt Leinart won 2 championships and a Heisman and is much more polished, but after he broke his collar bone, is stuck behind Warner.Matt and Kurt are like Vince and Kerry: Matt was starter, broke his collar bone and was replaced by Warner. Warner did well, so they stuck with him and they went to the SB.Young was starter, refused to go in game, got 'hurt' and was replaced by Collins. Vince said he expected to start a few weeks later when he was healed. They stuck with COllins and the Titans went 13-3, best record in NFL.This isnt college. You cant expect an entire NFL team to build around you. You build WITH the team. Its really the Owner's fault, tho: how many college QB's are special teamers, or receivers? Many. Home tome Bud Adams wanted his home town hero, no matter if Vince lacked the skills and mental intangibles to be an NFL-caliber QB.Then again, in this day and age, we live in an era where 'stupid' and 'nfl owners' go hand in hand. #1 pick on Alex Smith? WTF?! #1 pick on Matthew Stafford., even though he wasnt great but has a 'good' arm? WTF?! The greatest QB's of all time werent even picked high at all: Joe Montana and #199th overall pick Tom Brady. Those guys knew what it took to start: work ethic. Yeah, Peyton is great, of course, but one thing is for sure:more top 10 QB's have failed than succeeded in draft pasts. Free agent Kurt Warner: Super Bowl Winner comes to mind. Heck, I dont even really think Dallas is that great (JJ is an idiot), but at least Romo, who was a mid/late rounder from Eastern Illinois is having some regular (and regular only) season success.Mike Vick? Seriously, the guy has was terrible as a QB, but Arthur Blank loved him, like Bud Adams loves Young. Make em a RB or TE. I mean, Fisher didnt even want to draft Young: they wanted Leinart cuz Leinart worked with Norm Chow in USC when they won it all. But no: SOme people are too proud and cant accept the fact that, hey, 'maybe we made a mistake' (Thanks George Bush, for reminding me of this fact)

I think that if you find that you have the guy you want you will have to build around him. Offense, defense or special teams. Romo was undrafted. When Vick was drafted Dan Reeves was the head coach. Since then things have changed. I'm not ready to give up on Vince yet. But he is running out of time.

I just find it odd how when Vince has a bad game 1st pre-season, we dont hear much from coach staff or bud adams. Vince has a marginal game as NFL QB"s go (but prolly one of the best for Vince) with 1td and 131'ish yards on second game and Bud Adams try to anoint him the savior and future of the titans. Vince could have 100 terrible games and the moment he has just one good one, after 100 terrible, bud adams and the rest of the vince young worshipers will go' see, we told you he was great!' 3rd game, we see more of the same vince young and yet again, bud adams keeps quiet, even after Vince literally threw his teammates under the bus with his post dallas game comments, aka 'the whole team made mistakes, but dont look at me, I played well'.
3 for 9, 1 INt probably is playing well, Vince.

For someone like you that is

Ya sa massa!! You sa right massa!! That VY is all hype!! Him only problem boss, is he's not white, right!?! You would give him more of a opportunity to succeed!!

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Originally posted 10:00 PM ET  08.25 by tha_gooods

Ya sa massa!! You sa right massa!! That VY is all hype!! Him only problem boss, is he's not white, right!?! You would give him more of a opportunity to succeed!!

Some of it is the team he plays for. Some of it is Vince Young. I do agree that they have been slow in getting offensive talent to help themselves. But Vince still needs to do his part. And they have been sending mixed signals to Vince. But Vince needs to do his part.

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Originally posted 10:00 PM ET  08.25 by tha_gooods

Ya sa massa!! You sa right massa!! That VY is all hype!! Him only problem boss, is he's not white, right!?! You would give him more of a opportunity to succeed!!

Nah, Vince's problem isn't that he is black. Vince's problem is that he is, lets face is, a bad NFL QB.
I like Tavaris Jackson: he got screwed over by Vikings, but he didnt whine like Vince did. He kept his mouth shut and played better than Favre last preseason game. So much better.

Many college QB's go on to play a diff position in NFL because they have 'athletic skills' but just don't fit into the NFL passing system.

A lot of NFL owners look at one season and then use that to claim 'this guy is franchise material'

I dont like Mark Sanchez, and he is more or less white: he only started 16 games in college and look at him with the jets: they want him to start and gave him more money that Matt Leinart, who was far better at USC. Faaaarr better. But the Jets needed a QB, so instead of trading for a QB for less money, they draft high for one on a guy who has less talent and is less proven than someone like Leinart.
Same with Matt Stafford. He goes #1 cuz he has the strongest arm in the draft? whoop-di-freakin-do. He was not great in college.

So, to go back to your wonderful comment, Vince is a bad NFL QB because Vince is a bad NFL QB.
He ran all over the place in college? Make him a RB or WR. Awkward throwing motion, low Wonderlic score, terrible yards per game, terrible yards per completion, terrible td/int ratio and a terrible attitude?
Heh, no problem according to Bud Adams and the rest of the Vince Young lovers: that's franchise QB material, baby!

oh, and dont get me started on ALex SMith (he is white, massa)

Biggest #1 pick bust probably in recent memory

I guess true competitors take their demotions and just shut up!! (Drew Bledsoe, Ryan Leaf).. They were given opportunities elsewhere...(Whip cracks!!) Sorry boss!!

There isn't a Titan or Titan fan alive (or deceased) that wouldn't take McNabb in a trade right now. And our former QB, McNair, was black and he was worshipped in TN. VY is hardly ever mentioned when discussing his current level of play.


I don't think our Titans did not start out very confident.....then they went undefeated for most of the year....and lost sight of the fact that they were not quite up to the Steelers talent level....yet. The "Terrible Towel Incident" was dumb, but I have been an Athletic Trainer for a lot of high school, college, and pro football/basketball teams and everyone does stupid things like that.

I do agree with Perfectpats though. I wish we could get that "marquee QB" to build a team around. Actually we have already built a good team......we just need a QB.

Sorry, I must be having a bad day....

Corrections to my previous message:
1. VY's race is hardly ever mentioned when discussing his level of play.
2. I don't think our Titans started out very confident...