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Braylon looked like a stud Monday night ... to boot.

How bad is Derek Anderson you ask ? I'll tell you how , in the last 20 years ... Only 5 times has a QB posted a passer rating below 40 through their teams first 5 games ( while attempting more than 80 passes ) Anderson is one of them. The other 4 ...
Ryan Leaf (twice)
Steve Buerlein
Trent Dilfer ....

http://www.pro-football-reference.com/play-index/tiny/Gfap2

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Originally posted 12:32 PM ET  10.15 by FamousPete

How bad is Derek Anderson you ask ? I'll tell you how , in the last 20 years ... Only 5 times has a QB posted a passer rating below 40 through their teams first 5 games ( while attempting more than 80 passes ) Anderson is one of them. The other 4 ...Ryan Leaf (twice)Steve BuerleinTrent Dilfer ....http://www.pro-football-reference.com/play-index/tiny/Gfap2

What about Grossman

You are both tools. The Browns are flatout awful this year. Since when do they have a running game? Edwards is very talented; he also played very poorly last year, and was a malcontent with off-the-field issues this year. He needed a change of scenery , and got it. Hopefully, he'll play to his potential in NY. The point is, it wouldn't matter if the Browns had Peyton Manning this year, they'd still be pretty bad.

Quinn also played pretty well for two games last year, leading them to 59 points, until he broke his finger and had to sit. He'd be OK on the right team.

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Originally posted 12:00 PM ET  10.15 by SportsFanForLife

Brady Quinn is a draft bust. Even though years ago The Dolphins wanted Quinn it didn't matter because Quinn would still play terrible in Miami. Quinn had talent in Braylon Edwards and a running game. Then they go with Derek Anderson. Com on no wonder he was not pick until 22nd pick in the draft.

Wow! What a great thread you've started! "Why Brady Quinn is a bust"- and you answer this dilemma with "Quinn had talent with Edwards and a running game".....

"Quinn had talent with Edwards"-- Edwards had the most dropped passes in '08 and came back to a WR corps that consisted of Mohammed Massaquoi, Robiskie, Mike Furrey and Josh Cribbs. Good call- I wonder who the Defense would key in on in passing downs?

"Running game"- What running game? In 2008, Jamal Lewis was our leading RB with a measely 1,002 yard rushing (3.6 ypc) and 4 TD's. You're right again! What a fantastic running game.

BQ is STILL the best of the 3 QB's in Cleveland. He looked real well in his initial year, looked good last year in the limited amount of playing time he had and needed a full season to gel with our offense. HOW ON EARTH CAN ANYONE SAY DA IS BETTER???? Maybe Braylon couldn't catch balls here because of DA's inconsistent throws (reference Chaunsey Stuckey's debut- the fact he couldnt hang onto 100 mph throws from 8 yds away).

BQ started against two undefeated team in the Denver Broncos and Minnesota Vikings and one half against a top AFC North team in the Baltimore Ravens....


BQ through 2.5 starts:

45-74 (60.8% comp) 1 TD 3INT, sacked 10 times!, 62.9 rating


DA through 2.5 starts:

39-84 (46.4% comp) 1 TD 5 INT, sacked 4 times, 39.0 rating


DA isn't any better. Give Brady the amount of time in the pocket as DA, give him a healthy RB corps and give him an O-line that has time to gel (Hank Fraley was put at RG after BQ got benched and has done a great job) and BQ is sure to get better.

BQ is the closest thing we have to a QB. I think this has more to do with Lerner not wanting to give him his 11 million bonus for playing more than 70% of the snaps.

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Originally posted 01:04 PM ET  10.15 by SportsFanForLife

What about Grossman

No where near it. your sports knowledge is lacking. Rex Grossman's first 5 consecutive starts for a team was Chicago in 2006. In those starts he had 3, 100 plus QB ratings, 1 with a 98 rating, than his bust game which he held a 65 QB rating.

That season, he actually held the most 100 plus QB rating games out of any Starting QB.

Anderson is having the best year true , However what Anderson did in 2007 has to be fresh in Cleveland Fans minds and their coaches nonetheless. While Anderson is absolutley pathetic this year as I pointed out in my above post, Brady Quinn wasn't no spring chicken himself, and Anderson has produced results for this team in the past, Quinn has not.

Lets look back at Andersons 2007 season which is among the best in Browns alltime history.
3797 yds ( 5th best in CLE 65 year History )
29 TD passes ( 2nd Best in Brown History )
10-5 as a starter ( most wins since 1994 )
8th ranked offense in total yds ( best since 1981 )

While he has not been close to achieving this type of production since, neither has Quinn and I think the Browns are in the we need to win now mode, Quin aint cutting it , Anderson has in the past, maybe he can do it again.

Quinn has not even played a total of 5 games in the NFL...so to say that he isn't cutting it is ridiculous. We haven't even seen enough of him to make an accurate assessment--need to see a complete season.

If you're telling me that DA should be QB because he has perform(ed) well in one...let me repeat....ONE SEASON ...then you are nuts! I think DA's performance was more of an anomaly than anything else. If you really want to break it down those numbers wre inflated by a few games-DA played horrible the last games of the season----you know, the ones that really counted...(cough)Cincinnatti.

You keep talking about his numbers in 2007 then fail to recite his 2008 numbers:

142-283 (50.2% comp) 1,615 yards 9 TDs, 8 INTs 66.5 rating

(just in case you're wondering, BQ had better stats that year as well. 45-89 (50.6% comp) 518 yards 2TD, 2INT 66.6 rating)


Those aren't very good. You can't sit there and talk about '07 like those stats have any relevance or provide any indication of how good that QB will be.... DA's performance was a product of our O line that year. If Brady was playing in '07 he probably would have had similar stats if not better.

Quinn hasn't even been given a shot to 'cut it' being that he hasnt even been given a full season to compete nor was he ever given a feeling that it was his team to run. I've said this before in other posts--- Quinn was given the starting nod at the last second and played against the Vikings, Broncos and Ravens with an unhealthy O-line and Jamal Lewis. Then he got ripped out of the game after the first half for an INT......DA comes in and throw 3 INTS then pawns it off as "i was just trying to make something happen"....BS ... what a **** move to cop out and blame the 3 ints on his valient effort to come back after the first half...

Brady Quinn is not a bust. You can't even give any evidence to prove it.

Brady Quinn is the best QB on the Browns roster. They benched Quinn like two weeks ago, and brought Anderson to replace him, and he threw 2 picks in a row, how is that good? BQ is the best QB that Cleveland, and Mangini needs to learn how to use him. There is no way that Brady Quinn is a draft bust, he would be a lot better on a good team, that could win a game.

OK, OK, OK, Terrell Owens must be the worst brick handed receiver in the NFL. He is averaging less than 15 yards per game. Oh, and ol' brick hands Edwards played terrible when he had a QB that could actually throw the ball with "touch" in New York.

JOETHOMASALLOVERURFA???, and poisonnutz, you guys did an excellent job explaining why Andersen has had his time and is past his prime.

But I am still trying to make sense of the opening comments of "SportsFanForLife". I just can't decipher what he is trying to say, especially when you check the facts.

cause, he plays for the browns, thats why he stinks, he should play for the raiders:)

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Originally posted 12:00 PM ET  10.15 by SportsFanForLife

Brady Quinn is a draft bust. Even though years ago The Dolphins wanted Quinn it didn't matter because Quinn would still play terrible in Miami. Quinn had talent in Braylon Edwards and a running game. Then they go with Derek Anderson. Com on no wonder he was not pick until 22nd pick in the draft.

Brady Quinn was overhyped on Draft Day for two reasons:
1. He was coached by Charlie Weis for two years.
2. He had "Brady" in his name

Those are two big mental connections that somehow made draft analysts keep claiming "He's the next Tom Brady". Seriously... because they had similar names.

The Dolphins never wanted Brady Quinn. That's why they passed on him.

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Originally posted 07:58 PM ET  10.15 by JOETHOMASALLOVERURFACE

Quinn has not even played a total of 5 games in the NFL...so to say that he isn't cutting it is ridiculous. We haven't even seen enough of him to make an accurate assessment--need to see a complete season. If you're telling me that DA should be QB because he has perform(ed) well in one...let me repeat....ONE SEASON ...then you are nuts! I think DA's performance was more of an anomaly than anything else. If you really want to break it down those numbers wre inflated by a few games-DA played horrible the last games of the season----you know, the ones that really counted...(cough)Cincinnatti. You keep talking about his numbers in 2007 then fail to recite his 2008 numbers:142-283 (50.2% comp) 1,615 yards 9 TDs, 8 INTs 66.5 rating(just in case you're wondering, BQ had better stats that year as well. 45-89 (50.6% comp) 518 yards 2TD, 2INT 66.6 rating)Those aren't very good. You can't sit there and talk about '07 like those stats have any relevance or provide any indication of how good that QB will be.... DA's performance was a product of our O line that year. If Brady was playing in '07 he probably would have had similar stats if not better. Quinn hasn't even been given a shot to 'cut it' being that he hasnt even been given a full season to compete nor was he ever given a feeling that it was his team to run. I've said this before in other posts--- Quinn was given the starting nod at the last second and played against the Vikings, Broncos and Ravens with an unhealthy O-line and Jamal Lewis. Then he got ripped out of the game after the first half for an INT......DA comes in and throw 3 INTS then pawns it off as "i was just trying to make something happen"....BS ... what a **** move to cop out and blame the 3 ints on his valient effort to come back after the first half...Brady Quinn is not a bust. You can't even give any evidence to prove it.

Yo;ur right I did leave out 2008 , but I quoted exactly how good 2007 was for the Browns as a Franshise ... and the catalyst of that sucess was Derek Anderson , he lead Cle to their best year in 15 YEARS , and HES STILL ON THE ROSTER. ... and he's only 1 year older than Quinn.

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Originally posted 10:30 AM ET  10.16 by FamousPete

Yo;ur right I did leave out 2008 , but I quoted exactly how good 2007 was for the Browns as a Franshise ... and the catalyst of that sucess was Derek Anderson , he lead Cle to their best year in 15 YEARS , and HES STILL ON THE ROSTER. ... and he's only 1 year older than Quinn.

I still think the driving force behind that offense in 2007 was the O-line more than anything else.

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Originally posted 07:00 AM ET  10.16 by The (Un)Official

Brady Quinn was overhyped on Draft Day for two reasons:1. He was coached by Charlie Weis for two years.2. He had "Brady" in his nameThose are two big mental connections that somehow made draft analysts keep claiming "He's the next Tom Brady". Seriously... because they had similar names.

More than likely was because of Charlie Weis's endorsement that Brady Quinn was the most NFL ready QB. Some could chalk that up to him being a homer and rooting for his own product but you cant discredit the man because he was a successful NFL coach.


As far as the initial post on this thread goes, the guy doesn't even know what he is talking about he just wanted to take a rip at Quinn and/or the Browns.

Jamarcus Russell wasn't a bust? For you Dolphins fans----I'm not sure that Ginn, Jr. was a very smart pick. Some could easily say he is a bust.

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Originally posted 10:30 AM ET  10.16 by FamousPete

Yo;ur right I did leave out 2008 , but I quoted exactly how good 2007 was for the Browns as a Franshise ... and the catalyst of that sucess was Derek Anderson , he lead Cle to their best year in 15 YEARS , and HES STILL ON THE ROSTER. ... and he's only 1 year older than Quinn.

Since you are such an advocate of how well Anderson played in '07 and how he was such a "catalyst" to our success, I feel the need to quote a few stats.

We had a 10-6 record, only 4 of our games were against teams with that record or better (2 of them were the Steelers). Overall, our competition had a winning percentage of .429%. Not exactly stiff competition. During his Cleveland career, he has thrown 44 TD's, and 40 INT's. That is a ratio of 1.1 to 1. The 10 QB's in the middle of the pack this year have a 1.8 to 1 TD to Interception ratio.

I don't know if Quinn is the answer, he wasn't given a fair shot. The teams he started against this year have a combined .8125 winning percentage. But from what I have seen, Anderson is definitely not the answer. The bottom line is that Andersen should be out and Quinn should be given a chance to perform this season. If he does not show vast improvement by the end of the year, we need to draft or trade for a top QB. I think signing a quality free agent will be very difficult.

And your waiting till next year again! Why would you give him all that Money you need it to pay
all the ex head coaches. Including the soon to be ex Man idious! This team is a joke!!!!!!!!!!