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thank you. I was feeling alone here as the devils advocate.
People just jump too fast to conclusion IMO.

Can you honestly take the champs belt away because of body and leg kicks?

I want hyped, Jim, and dallas all to tell me that the champ should LOSE HIS BELT because he got kicked in the legs and the body.

Come on guys. If this was a regular fight, yeah I would say Rua won, but you cant win the most coveted belt in mma with leg kicks.......

woa!!! Hold up a sec...
I DO think that leg kicks should win the fight.
In Forrest & Rampage, this is exactly what won the fight for FG. But to win, he basically chopped Rampage's legs out.
Rua didn't do that.
Rua (IMO) barely won the matchup. and THAT, i think is what tipped the scale in his favor (when a round is close, judges tend to give it to the champ).
I don't say I agree with it, but it is what it is.

Me, myself, I had Rua winning 4x1. But I don't think it is a travesty like people are saying...

So you are making the case that because he is the champion, he should recieve some sort of special treatment in the judging? This is the stupidist thread ever on fannation. So what must Shogun do to win the title? Is the decision automatically going to go to the defending champ? Why should this be judged and differently than any other contest? Shogun won that fight on almost all fronts. You have it backwards Unbeliever, Shogun was countering Lyoto's punches with low kicks, and it was working! He ate no hard shots and was never damaged by any of Lyoto's punches. And Shogun did more damage to his body too. Lyoto two knees and a handful of roundhouses to the body. Shogun landed more and more damaging body shots too. The jumping roundhouse early was definitly the most damaging fight of the round.

I loved this fight. I think it was amazing. Rua had a great game plan for Lyoto and he executed it beautifully.

Everyone loves the underdog... and the best thing about this fight is the promise of a rematch. Lyoto obviously had the wrong gameplan for Rua, or Rua was just too good for Lyoto to implement it. Either way, I can't wait for the rematch and I hope that there's a finish rather than a decision.

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Originally posted 07:25 PM ET  10.25 by clouis870:WarRenzo!!

So you are making the case that because he is the champion, he should recieve some sort of special treatment in the judging? This is the stupidist thread ever on fannation. So what must Shogun do to win the title? Is the decision automatically going to go to the defending champ? Why should this be judged and differently than any other contest? Shogun won that fight on almost all fronts. You have it backwards Unbeliever, Shogun was countering Lyoto's punches with low kicks, and it was working! He ate no hard shots and was never damaged by any of Lyoto's punches. And Shogun did more damage to his body too. Lyoto two knees and a handful of roundhouses to the body. Shogun landed more and more damaging body shots too. The jumping roundhouse early was definitly the most damaging fight of the round.

did you even watch the fight? Machida hurt Rua twice in the fight.

Im not asking for special treatment. Work on your reading comprehention and try posting again with a real arguement.

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Originally posted 06:29 PM ET  10.25 by Unbeliever

Can you honestly take the champs belt away because of body and leg kicks?I want hyped, Jim, and dallas all to tell me that the champ should LOSE HIS BELT because he got kicked in the legs and the body.Come on guys. If this was a regular fight, yeah I would say Rua won, but you cant win the most coveted belt in mma with leg kicks.......

You can't have different judging standards for different fighters or different fights. You can't say "leg kicks and body shots don't count because it's a title fight." Two fighters fought; one clearly outperformed the other.
You can honestly take the belt away from a champion who was clearly outfought. Whether that's from punches or **** footstomps, IT DOESN'T MATTER.

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Originally posted 08:58 PM ET  10.25 by Dallas_W

You can't have different judging standards for different fighters or different fights. You can't say "leg kicks and body shots don't count because it's a title fight." Two fighters fought; one clearly outperformed the other.You can honestly take the belt away from a champion who was clearly outfought. Whether that's from punches or **** footstomps, IT DOESN'T MATTER.

And it doesn't matter "how badly" the champion is beaten, either. Seriously, how backwards is the thought process of, "well, the challenger won that round...but he didn't win by ENOUGH, so I think I'll score it for the champion?"

machida landed more punches countered just as much as shogun and machida had a flurry but shogun caused more damage...it was a very close fight but for people to say the worst decision of all time is what i disagree with ....bisping vs hammill is still the worst

Rua did not beat the champ, and therefore - lost the fight. And he got himself a re-match.

I was surprised when Rua said he thought he should have won the fight and expecting to get the belt.
The judges decision was correct. The **** in Rua s corner thought the judges were just gona hand him the belt for POSSIBLE points advantage . . . . Does anybody really think Machida was gona get the belt from Rashad, had he (Machida) fought like Rua did?. . . . . . . I don't think so

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Originally posted 02:48 AM ET  10.26 by tthriller

I was surprised when Rua said he thought he should have won the fight and expecting to get the belt. The judges decision was correct. The **** in Rua s corner thought the judges were just gona hand him the belt for POSSIBLE points advantage . . . . Does anybody really think Machida was gona get the belt from Rashad, had he (Machida) fought like Rua did?. . . . . . . I don't think so

I don't know what fight you watched. But I do know you're a Machida homer...

UN. Shogun outstruck Machida almost every round. This isnt boxing and the commisions need to first off get rid of boxing judges for MMA fights. They need to train judges and what to look for in an MMA match. So, the judges know more than me, and everyone else on this planet about how to score that fight? How much money did you win on Machida? Seriously. People who are defending that decision are either blind by their love for Machida or just plain stupid.

Again, I think Rua won the fight.

BUT I can see WHY the judges scored rounds for machida.

Machida landed WAY more strikes to the face.

Machida defended THREE takedowns

Machida had Rua in trouble twice

BOTH fighters took damage to their mid section, Machida taking the worst of it.

Again, I challenge anyone here at fannation to tell me how you can WIN THE BELT with leg kicks when your opponent left welts all over your face....

I was disappointed with machida, and was very comfortable with shogun taking the belt. I am, after all, a big fan of BOTH fighters, but if you look at the fight from the judges seat, and not the fans seat, the decision makes perfect sense.

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Originally posted 12:16 PM ET  10.26 by Unbeliever

Again, I think Rua won the fight.BUT I can see WHY the judges scored rounds for machida.Machida landed WAY more strikes to the face.Machida defended THREE takedownsMachida had Rua in trouble twiceBOTH fighters took damage to their mid section, Machida taking the worst of it.Again, I challenge anyone here at fannation to tell me how you can WIN THE BELT with leg kicks when your opponent left welts all over your face....I was disappointed with machida, and was very comfortable with shogun taking the belt. I am, after all, a big fan of BOTH fighters, but if you look at the fight from the judges seat, and not the fans seat, the decision makes perfect sense.

It makes sense to boxing judges who dont know how to score an MMA match. I think Shogun landed 40 more strikes. So, you think a decision for a guy who was outstruck by 40 makes sense. Sorry, it doesnt. I dont rememeber Machida ever having Rua in trouble. Machida did almost next to nothing in that fight. The decision makes zero sense, and the commission needs to be held accountable.

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Originally posted 12:26 PM ET  10.26 by JimJ77

It makes sense to boxing judges who dont know how to score an MMA match. I think Shogun landed 40 more strikes. So, you think a decision for a guy who was outstruck by 40 makes sense. Sorry, it doesnt. I dont rememeber Machida ever having Rua in trouble. Machida did almost next to nothing in that fight. The decision makes zero sense, and the commission needs to be held accountable.

He left a HUGE welt on shoguns chest, and multiple hematomas on his face.

Thats a lot more than nothing.

UFC judges score takedown defenses highly, and Machida had three. They also take damage into account, and machida has less visible damage than shogun. Plain and simple.

This is a perfect example on why you cant leave it for the judges.

Shogun in NO WAY tried to end the fight. He was content with kicking Machidas legs and body.

How can you give the belt to someone whos strategy was not to end the fight?

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Originally posted 07:55 PM ET  10.25 by Unbeliever

did you even watch the fight? Machida hurt Rua twice in the fight.Im not asking for special treatment. Work on your reading comprehention and try posting again with a real arguement.

So what? Even if he hurt Shogun twice, that is moot. The UFC has chosen to operate under a ten point must system, not an ippon system like PRIDE's. Even if machida did do more damage, which he didn't, he still lost the majority of the rounds by being a complete coward. He is on his way out. His mystique has been shattered. He will never be able to beat even a decent striker at 205. Little Nog will crush him standing. So would any one willing to push him a little. He has no effective combinations because he leans so far back when he kicks. He also has very little power in his hands because his weight is always behind his feet. Think of what El Guapo would do to him...

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Originally posted 12:33 PM ET  10.26 by Unbeliever

This is a perfect example on why you cant leave it for the judges.Shogun in NO WAY tried to end the fight. He was content with kicking Machidas legs and body.How can you give the belt to someone whos strategy was not to end the fight?

So you can't finish a fight with body shots and low kicks? Have you ever seen your avatar fight?

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Originally posted 06:36 PM ET  10.26 by clouis870:WarRenzo!!

So you can't finish a fight with body shots and low kicks? Have you ever seen your avatar fight?

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