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QUOTE(#4):

Originally posted 01:56 AM ET  11.01 by Clackamas

Here is a question: With the depth of the PAC10 and the utter smack down of USC - despite the UGLY loss to Boise state - BTW it was an ugly win by BOISE, they could have still lost the game even in the 4th Q, despite Oregon not getting a 1st down unitl the 3rd quarter, how does the SEC get away with pansy non conferece games and think that being undefeated is the same? I am a homer for Oregon, and USC IMO was/is over rated but, as things , stand, today, Oregon can play with anyone, and would take Boise to the wood shed. Yeah the Boise people will point to the win last year, and we will say we were playing with our 5th string QB, but the question is this: TODAY how will you match up?

Doesn't really matter about today, now, does it?

QUOTE(#5):

Originally posted 01:58 AM ET  11.01 by tHogg

I 'm pretty sure what you read was not a "fire Pete Carroll" post, but more a "I wonder if Pete Carroll has seen his best days as a USC coach" post. USC has some serious issues on D. But, they are not far from being right on D. On O, you just wait, you just wait.Next year this time. Anyone wanna make a 365 day avatar wager?

you mean AFTER they lose the rest of the powerhouse team? in 1 year? you serious?

I really don't think this loss is all that unexpected. Oregon is playing like the best team itc right now.

USC is still a very good team. They are just young and inexperienced.

Been a long time since I've seen USC get beat up like that. The Pac 10 is an underrated conference.

To SC's defense. you have to consider they have a true freshman QB, to think that they never have a rebuilding year is foolish. USC will be tough in the next year and the next, etc.

QUOTE(#5):

Originally posted 01:58 AM ET  11.01 by tHogg

I 'm pretty sure what you read was not a "fire Pete Carroll" post, but more a "I wonder if Pete Carroll has seen his best days as a USC coach" post.

You're right. And it's not even my idea. I saw it suggested on the "Table" thread that maybe Carroll's 15 minutes of fame are over. Seemed like an overreaction to me, but I'm biased.

QUOTE(#6):

Originally posted 01:00 AM ET  11.01 by tHogg

Doesn't really matter about today, now, does it?

Probably not -- sour grapes -- but its begs the question -- does Boise think that TODAY that they could win -- even at that awful blue field??? I bet not.

QUOTE(#5):

Originally posted 01:58 AM ET  11.01 by tHogg

I 'm pretty sure what you read was not a "fire Pete Carroll" post, but more a "I wonder if Pete Carroll has seen his best days as a USC coach" post. USC has some serious issues on D. But, they are not far from being right on D. On O, you just wait, you just wait.Next year this time. Anyone wanna make a 365 day avatar wager?

Sorry - guess I got ahead of myself about firing rumors after spending too much time in the NFL section lately.
I don't think Carroll has seen his best days as a USC coach. My guess would be that he has one more good run before that happens. The Freshman QB seems to have the makings of an all-star, and they are recovering from a pretty substantial loss of talent on D (which several NFL teams are thanking them for, my Texans included). I would expect to see them back in the big game in a year or two, though.

For the USC fans out there-if you win out do you think USC deserves a BCS bowl bid? I am hoping not so both TCU and BSU can get in as long as they take care of business.

Congratulations to Oregon. They are clearly the best team in the Pac10 this year and I sincerely hope they avoid injuries and win out. That said, Oregon still has a tough road ahead and the Rose Bowl is far from a gimme at this point. All of their remaining opponents have winning records, and they face ranked Arizona on the road. Next week's game at Stanford looks like a classic trap as well.

If there is a silver lining for USC, I'm glad they got exposed in conference, rather than during a BCS game. I agree with TtT that this is probably not the last defeat in store for USC this season.

As for the future, I don't see any reason to think that Carroll has somehow lost his touch. Not when last year's QB is playing in the NFL along with much of the defense. I do think that his teams have gotten too comfortable with success and haven't played hungry in many years. Hopefully a bowl game in El Paso will motivate them to overachieve next season.

QUOTE(#14):

Originally posted 01:14 AM ET  11.01 by Armpit again

For the USC fans out there-if you win out do you think USC deserves a BCS bowl bid? I am hoping not so both TCU and BSU can get in as long as they take care of business.

Did FN get confused over daylight savings time?

QUOTE(#16):

Originally posted 01:21 AM ET  11.01 by tUBa Santa

Did FN get confused over daylight savings time?

Yes

While I'm probably at the opposite end of the spectrum from a USC fan, I have to say it's pretty incredible for this to be the worst loss in Pete Carroll's history with the school. It was bad, but nowhere near as bad as some of the blowouts that other perennial "national contenders" suffer on an annual basis.

To get rid of a coach after one bad game, during a run like he has had, would be both a bad football decision, and a bad business decision. Both of those facts should keep the USC decision makers well grounded.

Look at Ohio State vs. SEC teams, for example.

Scmack

USC lost 8 defensive starters from last year's team. Look what has happened over the last 3 weeks. Oklahoma lost 4 starters from their offensive line and 2 starters at receiver. Look what happened to Bradford and the Sooners.

I think all the "we don't rebuild we reload" talk creates unreal expectations with the fans. It's easy to get excited about the next batch of stud recruits getting their chance to play but very rarely will a championship team be able to "reload" 8 starters and play at the same level.

I still think USC is a very good team. I also think Oregon is a lot better than people realized.

Here is a question: With the depth of the PAC10 and the utter smack down of USC - despite the UGLY loss to Boise state - BTW it was an ugly win by BOISE, they could have still lost the game even in the 4th Q, despite Oregon not getting a 1st down unitl the 3rd quarter, how does the SEC get away with pansy non conferece games and think that being undefeated is the same? I am a homer for Oregon, and USC IMO was/is over rated but, as things , stand, today, Oregon can play with anyone, and would take Boise to the wood shed. Yeah the Boise people will point to the win last year, and we will say we were playing with our 5th string QB, but the question is this: TODAY how will you match up?

QUOTE(#1):

Originally posted 01:47 AM ET  11.01 by 9to5er

While I'm probably at the opposite end of the spectrum from a USC fan, I have to say it's pretty incredible for this to be the worst loss in Pete Carroll's history with the school. It was bad, but nowhere near as bad as some of the blowouts that other perennial "national contenders" suffer on an annual basis.To get rid of a coach after one bad game, during a run like he has had, would be both a bad football decision, and a bad business decision. Both of those facts should keep the USC decision makers well grounded.

I 'm pretty sure what you read was not a "fire Pete Carroll" post, but more a "I wonder if Pete Carroll has seen his best days as a USC coach" post.

USC has some serious issues on D. But, they are not far from being right on D. On O, you just wait, you just wait.

Next year this time. Anyone wanna make a 365 day avatar wager?

Nice job on the posting order FN.

Wow - something really shredded the order of these comments...

You couldn't call it an end of USCs 15 minutes of fame unless you have been living in a cave for the past 8 years and put zero stock in recruitment rankings.

Still, no other game will have a greater impact on the NCAAF landscape this year.

End to the PAC1
This wasn't the typical USC let down, exemplified by poor execution and a series of flukes. This was a solid loss.

The rest of the PAC has become highly competitive. USC will not be automatically written in as the conference champ each year. Oregon, Stanford, Cal, Arizona, and even Washington have looked good this year.

End of the Pre-Season automatic Top 5
USC can not expect to be automatically penciled into the top 5 of the rankings each year. No longer will any conference loss be considered a huge upset. No longer will it be enough to survive the OOC.

End of the Pollster Darling
USC can not expect to be jumped and kept ranked higher than other majors with fewer losses.


This is Good for USC and the PAC
A stronger conference helps them get more teams ranked, improves their chances of a lucrative at large invite to the BCS. USC may not start as high, but a highly regarded conference provides a means of climbing the polls after an upset.


...and as Woody once said...
There's nothing that cleanses your soul like getting the hell kicked out of you.

For reasons similar to why I think the Purdue loss will help tOSU, this loss will help the attitude of USC. Don't expect to see USC fullbacks whining to the press about the number of carries they get.