I'm going to address all 3 at once. I think SF would call for an immediate rematch to see if it was a fluke or not.
Jason is 100% right. and then they can sell the next 2 fights. fedor will will the next then rogers wants a rematch and then fedor wins that one while rogers was paid a ton of money and he rides off into the sunset with his ugly arse ghetto biotch.
and if its not a fluke:
Fedor: says he is only human in the post fight int. rogers was a better fighter and he will congratulate him. Rogers will move to #1 in the hw div. Dana will go on a rampage and piss off rogers so much that rogers comes to ufc and brock smashes his face in.
Rogers: as stated above, including getting killed by brock because he is promoted and gets a ton of money doesnt train lives it up and buys 30 cars and is n*g*er rich (no direct offense to him, its a saying) did i mention he loses to whoever his next 5 opp are and becomes irrelivant while fedor fights his way back up cleaning out the strikeforce hw div in 1 yr.
Strikeforce: had better have a LARGE savings account. if fedor loses i see their demise not too far away. they are gonna throw a ton of money at rogers (on top of fedors contract) because he will push himself as the only man to beat fedor, and he will be able to ask for what ever he wants. rogers, like obama, will spark every young black male to pursue their dreams, and they will take over the US.
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and if its not a fluke:Fedor: says he is only human in the post fight int. rogers was a better fighter and he will congratulate him. Rogers will move to #1 in the hw div. Dana will go on a rampage and piss off rogers so much that rogers comes to ufc and brock smashes his face in.Rogers: as stated above, including getting killed by brock because he is promoted and gets a ton of money doesnt train lives it up and buys 30 cars and is n*g*er rich (no direct offense to him, its a saying) did i mention he loses to whoever his next 5 opp are and becomes irrelivant while fedor fights his way back up cleaning out the strikeforce hw div in 1 yr.Strikeforce: had better have a LARGE savings account. if fedor loses i see their demise not too far away. they are gonna throw a ton of money at rogers (on top of fedors contract) because he will push himself as the only man to beat fedor, and he will be able to ask for what ever he wants. rogers, like obama, will spark every young black male to pursue their dreams, and they will take over the US.
I'm not saying Strikeforce will rise up and put UFC out of business but why try and knock em down a peg for trying their hand in MMA. they had a very successful 25 yrs of Kickboxing and other fight sports so they do have an idea of what they are doing. unlike that T-Shirt company.
But back to the Topic I do believe a rematch would happen asap.
I Agree with TD.
First of all, if Fedor loses, it is no shame. Not one HW have gone uindefeated for as long as he has.
But I agree they would call for a rematch ASAP.
As for Rogers, he will use it and abuse it to make money and get a sure contract (SF or UFC, no matter). He will take the highest bidder and fight his fights. Win some, lose some, but sure as hell not stay at the top for long.
And SF, I completely agree with TD> They will keep doing what they are doing. They won't lose as much nor win as much one way or another. Again, they are not like UFC.
They don't need to check how many PPV'ers at the end of the show. They already have a contract with Showtime. And while obviously they will strive to get as many viewers as possible, the money from Showtime is already there and constant, so if anything, they can plan better than UFC can.
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I'm not saying Strikeforce will rise up and put UFC out of business but why try and knock em down a peg for trying their hand in MMA. they had a very successful 25 yrs of Kickboxing and other fight sports so they do have an idea of what they are doing. unlike that T-Shirt company.But back to the Topic I do believe a rematch would happen asap.
strike force, although run a lot better than elite xc and possibly affliction, has the same 2 problems the other companies had:
#1) putting all eggs in one basket, Fedor. Hear me out. They didnt do it in every way the other companies did, but they did it with their wallet and if Fedor loses, thats not a good investment, especially with the way they have been promoting him (they havent)
#2) M-1, nuff said.
I am not saying they will fold 3 days after the fight, they are def more legit than the other companies that folded, but they just dont have the depth that UFC has. im not a UFC fanboy, im an mma fanboy, so more mma the better. im actually haveing some guys over tom for the fight.
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I Agree with TD.First of all, if Fedor loses, it is no shame. Not one HW have gone uindefeated for as long as he has.But I agree they would call for a rematch ASAP.As for Rogers, he will use it and abuse it to make money and get a sure contract (SF or UFC, no matter). He will take the highest bidder and fight his fights. Win some, lose some, but sure as hell not stay at the top for long.And SF, I completely agree with TD> They will keep doing what they are doing. They won't lose as much nor win as much one way or another. Again, they are not like UFC.They don't need to check how many PPV'ers at the end of the show. They already have a contract with Showtime. And while obviously they will strive to get as many viewers as possible, the money from Showtime is already there and constant, so if anything, they can plan better than UFC can.
i disagree with your its no shame if fedor loses...while i agree no one stays at the top forever, if fedor loses to rogers it is a travesty. look at all the guys fedor beat, and then this 1 dimensional chump comes in and wins...it changes a lot.
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I Agree with TD.First of all, if Fedor loses, it is no shame. Not one HW have gone uindefeated for as long as he has.But I agree they would call for a rematch ASAP.As for Rogers, he will use it and abuse it to make money and get a sure contract (SF or UFC, no matter). He will take the highest bidder and fight his fights. Win some, lose some, but sure as hell not stay at the top for long.And SF, I completely agree with TD> They will keep doing what they are doing. They won't lose as much nor win as much one way or another. Again, they are not like UFC.They don't need to check how many PPV'ers at the end of the show. They already have a contract with Showtime. And while obviously they will strive to get as many viewers as possible, the money from Showtime is already there and constant, so if anything, they can plan better than UFC can.
I don't think having a contract with Showtimes makes them any better off then Elite XC. They had a contract with Showtime too. The UFC may depends upon PPV's, but they make a ton of money on everyone of them. I'm not saying one business model is better than the other(Although the UFC has been making a boatload of money for a few years now). I'm sure the UFC has talked to Showtime/HBO as well as networks, but didn't think it was the way for them to go, and they have been extremely successful without a network contract. I'm also not saying Elite XC and SF are on the same level. SF is clearly run much better than Elite XC was, but that TV contract wasn't enough to save them when their poster boy went down.
I don't see how SF can plan any better than UFC. The only difference is they are locked into getting smething from Showtime, but is it more than the UFC makes on an average PPV? Somehow I doubt it. How many events had SF been holding a year? The UFC holds about 18. 12 PPV's and 6 or so freebies on Spike. I would bet the UFC isn't losing money on those Spike cards either.
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i disagree with your its no shame if fedor loses...while i agree no one stays at the top forever, if fedor loses to rogers it is a travesty. look at all the guys fedor beat, and then this 1 dimensional chump comes in and wins...it changes a lot.
True that, Mlanzo. But as Fedor said... it WILL happen one day. And you can't deny the power on Rogers.
I DON"T THINK it will happen.
But Fedor is rusty. His last fight was almost one year ago. And he is fighting for the first time in a cage.
I am not even thinking of the 1% chance Rogers has. But I am not saying it is impossible neither.
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i disagree with your its no shame if fedor loses...while i agree no one stays at the top forever, if fedor loses to rogers it is a travesty. look at all the guys fedor beat, and then this 1 dimensional chump comes in and wins...it changes a lot.
Well spit happens man. Buster Douglas beat Tyson, Rahman beat Lewis, Serra beat GSP, Giants beat the Patriots and Mir beat Noguiera. Upsets happen. And in 99% of the time the winner is not alway a chump but someone with heart and determination.
I'm a huge fanboy of Fedor and I'm nervous as hell that he'll get KTFO. My heart tells me he'll get past this fight like the rest of em but my gut is turning all over worried of what will become of him if he gets his ass knocked out.
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I Agree with TD.First of all, if Fedor loses, it is no shame. Not one HW have gone uindefeated for as long as he has.But I agree they would call for a rematch ASAP.As for Rogers, he will use it and abuse it to make money and get a sure contract (SF or UFC, no matter). He will take the highest bidder and fight his fights. Win some, lose some, but sure as hell not stay at the top for long.And SF, I completely agree with TD> They will keep doing what they are doing. They won't lose as much nor win as much one way or another. Again, they are not like UFC.They don't need to check how many PPV'ers at the end of the show. They already have a contract with Showtime. And while obviously they will strive to get as many viewers as possible, the money from Showtime is already there and constant, so if anything, they can plan better than UFC can.
and as far as the showtime thing. none of us know the specifics of deals and contracts but what does showtime know about MMA thats makes it being on showtime a factor? showtime is what, and extra 10 bucks a month? i assume so. and ufc ppv's are 45 (in hd). I DO NOT have showtime and wont have it because i have other good movie channels. as far as the mma factor, i WOULD get showtime but then wouldnt spend the 45 on ufc and i enjoy the ufc cards. so imo ufc makes a TON more money on ppv than people who have showtime.
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I'm a huge fanboy of Fedor and I'm nervous as hell that he'll get KTFO. My heart tells me he'll get past this fight like the rest of em but my gut is turning all over worried of what will become of him if he gets his ass knocked out.
be at ease bro. he aint losing.
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Well spit happens man. Buster Douglas beat Tyson, Rahman beat Lewis, Serra beat GSP, Giants beat the Patriots and Mir beat Noguiera. Upsets happen. And in 99% of the time the winner is not alway a chump but someone with heart and determination.
i agree. its a fight and anything can happen. im just saying this will be on the top of the list of all upsets in SPORTS history, not just mma.
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I'm a huge fanboy of Fedor and I'm nervous as hell that he'll get KTFO. My heart tells me he'll get past this fight like the rest of em but my gut is turning all over worried of what will become of him if he gets his ass knocked out.
exactly how I feel, man
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i agree. its a fight and anything can happen. im just saying this will be on the top of the list of all upsets in SPORTS history, not just mma.
heh, Mlanzo, I agree. and this is why it makes me even MORE nervous!
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heh, Mlanzo, I agree. and this is why it makes me even MORE nervous!
for me its about a more mainstream guy in rogers beating the "hyped up, scared, beat nobodys" fedor. and the mainstream mma fans saying i told you so.
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for me its about a more mainstream guy in rogers beating the "hyped up, scared, beat nobodys" fedor. and the mainstream mma fans saying i told you so.
Yeah you won't here from me for awhile if that happens. All those Brock fanboys will be out in full force if Fedor loses.
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strike force, although run a lot better than elite xc and possibly affliction, has the same 2 problems the other companies had:#1) putting all eggs in one basket, Fedor. Hear me out. They didnt do it in every way the other companies did, but they did it with their wallet and if Fedor loses, thats not a good investment, especially with the way they have been promoting him (they havent)#2) M-1, nuff said.I am not saying they will fold 3 days after the fight, they are def more legit than the other companies that folded, but they just dont have the depth that UFC has. im not a UFC fanboy, im an mma fanboy, so more mma the better. im actually haveing some guys over tom for the fight.
As for putting all their eggs in one basket:
They've got to start somewhere. Basically, they have to gamble on Fedor being successful for the first few big cards. Why? Because Fedor does have name value, even some to people who aren't hardcore followers. Does anyone else on this card have a recognizable name to non-hardcore fans?
What they need to make sure they have is consistancy. For example, whomever wins on this card (preferably decisively) needs to be on the next big card also. Let's use Mousasi as an example. Say he KO's Sokoudjou in a minute and a half. People will remember that, especially if he puts up another great performance on the next card. Pretty soon you have a new star for your new audience. Assuming Fedor and Mousasi both win on the first two cards, now you have two bonafide stars (and headliners) that you can hype up for the third card. You can do this up and down the card, and follow this method over and over to create stars. But right now it has to start with one. Strikeforce has proven to have infinitely more potential than EliteXC; while they both put "all their eggs in one basket" so to speak, one chose a glorified streetfighter, the other chose the greatest heavyweight MMA has seen.
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As for putting all their eggs in one basket:They've got to start somewhere. Basically, they have to gamble on Fedor being successful for the first few big cards. Why? Because Fedor does have name value, even some to people who aren't hardcore followers. Does anyone else on this card have a recognizable name to non-hardcore fans?What they need to make sure they have is consistancy. For example, whomever wins on this card (preferably decisively) needs to be on the next big card also. Let's use Mousasi as an example. Say he KO's Sokoudjou in a minute and a half. People will remember that, especially if he puts up another great performance on the next card. Pretty soon you have a new star for your new audience. Assuming Fedor and Mousasi both win on the first two cards, now you have two bonafide stars (and headliners) that you can hype up for the third card. You can do this up and down the card, and follow this method over and over to create stars. But right now it has to start with one. Strikeforce has proven to have infinitely more potential than EliteXC; while they both put "all their eggs in one basket" so to speak, one chose a glorified streetfighter, the other chose the greatest heavyweight MMA has seen.
ok, 2 eggs in 1 basket. lol. yes you need to start somewhere. i think that somewhere is promoting it. im sorry i am in the magazine industry and the ads pay the bills. advertising is the ONLY WAY to get these guys names out there. they should have went bar hopping and put up posters. pay some kid to set up a fedor youtube page. there are a million ways. people just still have no clue about this. so starting somewhere, yes, but not how they started. i feel they are off to a bad first step with fedor so far.
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