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July 8, 2010, 08:14 AM
So how does this creep sell any recruit to come to USC?

Recruit A, :

Coach Kiffin, "how do you define loyalty?

Can I call the great fans of Tennessee and ask them their opinion?

Perhaps I can call Al Davis, do you have a list of references?

The money they pay is a disgrace! Like father like son, remember Monte and his record at NC State.

How does this relic Mike Garrett keep his job at USC?

He hires Tim Floyd,probation,Pete Carroll, probation and now the honest one, Lane Kiffin, MG survives, a joke! FREE THE USC TEAM'10, let them all leave!
July 8, 2010  08:29 AM ET
QUOTE:

So how does this creep sell any recruit to come to USC?

"Son, I left Tennessee because it is no longer the premier program its fans think it is. USC is where I got my start, where I cut my teeth, where I learned to win. USC is any coaches dream job. And I got the chance to take it before I was 40. We know my history. I am not going to be going to the NFL anytime soon. And I certainly won't be leaving USC, because there is nowhere to go but down. I plan on being hear for the next 20 years. That, son, is loyalty.

We have a 50 year history of producing national titles and Heisman winners. We're going through a bit of a rough patch right now, but in two years, we'll be bowl eligibe again. You'll at most be a junior by then, and by that point, we'll still be good enough to immediately jump back into the national title picture.

As far as your prospects go, remember, we have produced more first round draft picks than any other school. We send as many players overall into the NFL as any other school. And you are going to play in Los Angeles, the second largest media market in the country. If you work hard and start for me, every scout in the country will know who you are simply because you wear a Trojan uniform.

Think about those other schools. There are some fine schools that you're considering. But remember, we are not just a college football program. We are a program that will help make your dreams come true."

July 8, 2010  08:37 AM ET

It's all about integrity, Kiffin has ZERO!
Do you think Tennessee would have given him the opportunity if thet knew was going to screw them, "one and done". I have total respect for USC. Best Top level program in the nation.I agree with you there. However, just surprised that they lowered the standard by bringing him on board. Why not a quality guy. That's my point. Lane loses at USC his next job will be at;
FRESNO STATE!

July 8, 2010  08:44 AM ET
QUOTE(#2):

It's all about integrity, Kiffin has ZERO!Do you think Tennessee would have given him the opportunity if thet knew was going to screw them, "one and done". I have total respect for USC. Best Top level program in the nation.I agree with you there. However, just surprised that they lowered the standard by bringing him on board. Why not a quality guy. That's my point. Lane loses at USC his next job will be at; FRESNO STATE!

USC knows him better than most schools do. Would Tennessee have hired if they knew he was going to leave? Of course not. But it doesn't have anything to do with integrity. It's not as if Lane Kiffin knew that the USC job would be open one year later. He got the chance of a lifetime and took it.

If you want to knock his coaching record, that's a bit more valid, IMHO. I think he is a bit better than people give him credit for (he took a mediocre Tennessee team and at least gave some good SEC teams a run for their money...and Oakland is a death trap for coaches. No one will succeed there as long as Al Davis is running the show.)

July 8, 2010  09:16 AM ET

How does Mike Garret escape these sanctions? You are obviously close to the program?
I respect your opinion.

July 8, 2010  09:33 AM ET

Thanks, Max.

I don't know how Mike Garret escapes. Either that or the university believes his side more than the NCAA investigators' side.

July 8, 2010  01:14 PM ET
QUOTE(#4):

How does Mike Garret escape these sanctions?

Question of the month. I think he's got pictures of the university president in a compromising position with a male freshman. Hence the swagger like he's untouchable.

July 8, 2010  01:18 PM ET

I don't know why Garrett was not fired after the Mayo/Floyd BS. Now the sanctions. I would think the Board of Regents or the Alumni board would be calling for his head.

July 8, 2010  01:51 PM ET

heard a rumor on another forum that the president at USC is either already out or on the way out. The speculation is that they are waiting for a new prez who will then boot Garrett out on hind end.

The thing that gets me about Garrett is not only his attitude towards the sanctions but his attitude towards the apologies to the 5 schools USC accused of cheating. Would HE be happy with a form letter with only the school and AD's name changed? No he would be screaming for blood. Yet he seems to expect the other ADs TO accept it. "We will not pursue this further"? Does this mean that there will not be consequences for Dillon Baxter or is it his way of hinting that he hopes that the schools themselves will not pursue it further forcing him to punish Baxter and whomever put him up to this?

July 8, 2010  02:11 PM ET
QUOTE(#8):

heard a rumor on another forum that the president at USC is either already out or on the way out. The speculation is that they are waiting for a new prez who will then boot Garrett out on hind end. The thing that gets me about Garrett is not only his attitude towards the sanctions but his attitude towards the apologies to the 5 schools USC accused of cheating. Would HE be happy with a form letter with only the school and AD's name changed? No he would be screaming for blood. Yet he seems to expect the other ADs TO accept it. "We will not pursue this further"? Does this mean that there will not be consequences for Dillon Baxter or is it his way of hinting that he hopes that the schools themselves will not pursue it further forcing him to punish Baxter and whomever put him up to this?

Would be surprised if USC dumped the prez as he has done a lot to raise the school's academic standings. You raise some good questions about Dillion "The Boy Who Cried Wolf" Baxter, but I gotta wonder if Garrett would be indignant if the tables were turned. I don't give him credit for seeing the PR potential, or caring about it. This guy's objective each day is to get to happy hour with the boosters. He's not malicious, he's just inept.

July 8, 2010  02:25 PM ET
QUOTE(#9):

Would be surprised if USC dumped the prez as he has done a lot to raise the school's academic standings. You raise some good questions about Dillion "The Boy Who Cried Wolf" Baxter, but I gotta wonder if Garrett would be indignant if the tables were turned. I don't give him credit for seeing the PR potential, or caring about it. This guy's objective each day is to get to happy hour with the boosters. He's not malicious, he's just inept.

Something is definitely going to have to be done about Garrett though. His attitude alone could make it difficult for USC to negotiate with the NCAA in the appeals process.

July 8, 2010  02:31 PM ET
QUOTE(#10):

Something is definitely going to have to be done about Garrett though. His attitude alone could make it difficult for USC to negotiate with the NCAA in the appeals process.

Agreed. I think USC is making a mistake by this show of solidarity as though they won't acknowledge any responsibility. Not exactly the contrition you need to show when you're asking for leniency. Maybe they expect the appeal to be denied so they can take the NCAA to court.

July 8, 2010  02:40 PM ET
QUOTE(#9):

Would be surprised if USC dumped the prez as he has done a lot to raise the school's academic standings. You raise some good questions about Dillion "The Boy Who Cried Wolf" Baxter, but I gotta wonder if Garrett would be indignant if the tables were turned. I don't give him credit for seeing the PR potential, or caring about it. This guy's objective each day is to get to happy hour with the boosters. He's not malicious, he's just inept.

The LA times is running the story about Sample stepping down. The guy is 69 and suffering from Parkinson's, so it's not entirely about the sanctions.

Agree that Garrett has to go, and should have been booted several years ago as part of an internal investigation over the Bush/Mayo stories.

July 8, 2010  03:36 PM ET
QUOTE(#11):

Agreed. I think USC is making a mistake by this show of solidarity as though they won't acknowledge any responsibility. Not exactly the contrition you need to show when you're asking for leniency. Maybe they expect the appeal to be denied so they can take the NCAA to court.

Unfortunately, from what I have heard discussed on the legal side of the issue, USC as an institution can't take the NCAA to court. The agreement that makes them a part of the NCAA bars them from taking court action. Bama tried it and FSU tried it. Where Bama was successful, was in that individuals specifically named in the report sued for slander etc... including one coach. FSU had minimal success and that only involved releasing some documents because the NCAA standard violated Florida state laws. I'm pretty sure that the reason the committee on infractions is made up of a large number of lawyers is to make sure that any report going out is now lawsuit proof from individuals linked to cases. Reading over the report, the committee was very careful not to name names. It was student athlete A, b etc... Suspect that this was a large part of the hold up on the report as well, making sure that individuals couldn't attack them in court.

The show of solidarity just makes it look like they are not willing to make necessary changes. And the sad thing is that they may very well be doing some things that are making some positive changes. But these will be greatly overshadowed by the more public attitudes. And it's these attitudes that tick off the COI.

July 8, 2010  05:21 PM ET
QUOTE(#13):

Unfortunately, from what I have heard discussed on the legal side of the issue, USC as an institution can't take the NCAA to court. The agreement that makes them a part of the NCAA bars them from taking court action. Bama tried it and FSU tried it. Where Bama was successful, was in that individuals specifically named in the report sued for slander etc... including one coach. FSU had minimal success and that only involved releasing some documents because the NCAA standard violated Florida state laws. I'm pretty sure that the reason the committee on infractions is made up of a large number of lawyers is to make sure that any report going out is now lawsuit proof from individuals linked to cases. Reading over the report, the committee was very careful not to name names. It was student athlete A, b etc... Suspect that this was a large part of the hold up on the report as well, making sure that individuals couldn't attack them in court.The show of solidarity just makes it look like they are not willing to make necessary changes. And the sad thing is that they may very well be doing some things that are making some positive changes. But these will be greatly overshadowed by the more public attitudes. And it's these attitudes that tick off the COI.

Good post. I suspect you're right about USC's option to take this to court. Anyone can file suit for violation of their civil rights, but I'm not sure an institution qualifies. Either way, I think the NCAA would love to get sued in this case.

The wild card here is Todd McNair. Based on the accusations of a convicted liar and supported only by anecdotal evidence, the NCAA concluded he was involved with Bush and lied to investigators. As a result he's lost his job and been shamed. As weak as the evidence is, that's a pretty severe consequence.

In court I would think McNair has a case that the NCAA jumped to conclusions based on insufficient evidence, and hold the NCAA responsible for damages to his career and reputation. Of course, that only works if he's innocent. If not, then in court the NCAA could finally subpoena Bush, Lake and Michaels to prove McNair's guilt beyond reasonable doubt. So McNair's next move tells me whether he's dirty or not. I suppose it's also possible that Bush could buy him off from going to court. That would be true to form.

If McNair doesn't fight this, then I'm satisfied he went rogue and was acting as Bush's friend rather than a USC coach. I think if McNair could implicate anyone else on the staff, USC wouldn't have released him or he would already be squealing like a pig. That doesn't relieve USC of its responsibility as an institution, but at least McNair was part of the cover-up and wasn't acting as a coach.

If McNair goes to court, though, I apologize for thinking ill of him and retract everything I said.

July 8, 2010  10:35 PM ET

As if we are all supposed to believe that Pete Carroll had no idea that this was going on,
timely exit Pete.............The President should have fired Garrett the hour the sanctions were announced. Don't you believe that Reggie needs to give back the Heisman.?

 
July 9, 2010  02:26 AM ET
QUOTE(#15):

As if we are all supposed to believe that Pete Carroll had no idea that this was going on,timely exit Pete.............The President should have fired Garrett the hour the sanctions were announced. Don't you believe that Reggie needs to give back the Heisman.?

Not all. Evidence to the contrary, the haters will believe Carroll was involved because they want to. As for his exit, show me someone that would turn down the means to provide his family with an extra $3 million per year.

Garrett should have been fired about 15 years ago when it was apparent he was worthless as an AD.

Bush maintains he didn't do anything wrong, so I doubt he'll give back the Heisman. I'd prefer to see the NYAC take it away.

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