NBA  > General NBA  > Too bad Cleveland Coach - LeBron is all about winning
July 12, 2010, 10:25 AM
It seems obvious to me that LeBron made a clear decision to WIN when he chose Miami. He chose to be part of an organization that enabled and secured 3 terrific "individual" stars to come together to achieve the same goal -- to win an NBA championship.

As a professional working mom of 2 little boys, 7 and 3, just like the corporate world, we often have seen our fair share of tantrums, bad emails, or words you just wish you could take back. What amazes me is that to the degree in which the Cleveland owner lost his mind in what I believe is his true failure to manage his business, which should be all about building a winning TEAM.

To the owner of the Cavs my only question is this. Why didn't you invest in the additional stars to secure a winning TEAM that would have compelled Lebron to stay in Cleveland? If the level of his importance was SO relevent to your franchise, it was on YOU to do what was needed to build that kind of TEAM.

As someone who grew up bleeding Pittsburgh sports, the passion and now disdain the Cleveland fans are feeling is understandable. But I hope they will all ask this question as well. Why didn't the Cav's organization take the opportunity to secure some additional resources? The Miama organization obviously was looking at the BIG picture, so why wasn't Cleveland. I think they only have themselves to blame for Lebron's departure.

While, it was maybe a little much for my tastes, I do like LeBron's choice. He wanted to win, and he obviously can spell as well, knowing there is no "I" in the word "TEAM".
I will certainly enjoy buying 2 tickets when the Heat come to Philly for me and my son to watch the show.
July 12, 2010  10:52 AM ET

I cant agree more!

We blast Pro Athlete's all day long for having huge ego's and being about the money...yet we seem to never hold team management to the same fire? Why is that?

Not to mention, Wade, Bosh and LBJ all took over $15million LESS dollars to play with one another in favor of winning Titles...

So in the end, people are blasting them because they dropped their egos and took less money.... shameful!

Cleveland ownership failed to put a title winning team around LBJ and good for him for choosing a new employer.

July 12, 2010  09:40 PM ET
QUOTE:

It seems obvious to me that LeBron made a clear decision to WIN when he chose Miami. He chose to be part of an organization that enabled and secured 3 terrific "individual" stars to come together to achieve the same goal -- to win an NBA championship.As a professional working mom of 2 little boys, 7 and 3, just like the corporate world, we often have seen our fair share of tantrums, bad emails, or words you just wish you could take back. What amazes me is that to the degree in which the Cleveland owner lost his mind in what I believe is his true failure to manage his business, which should be all about building a winning TEAM.

No... SideKing James is NOT just about winning....

He is about winning WITHOUT the pressure of 'being the man' of a team that built around him that he, at the tender age of 25 already chose to "join forces" and jumped on D-Wade's bandwagon... he is about 'easy money'...

He QUIT in Cleveland because he didn't believe in himself...

He believed that the only way to win is to team up with a former champion and Finals MVP to lead him there...

That just tells me what kind of LOSER he really is...
SideKing for the next 6 years...

July 12, 2010  09:42 PM ET
QUOTE:

To the owner of the Cavs my only question is this. Why didn't you invest in the additional stars to secure a winning TEAM that would have compelled Lebron to stay in Cleveland? If the level of his importance was SO relevent to your franchise, it was on YOU to do what was needed to build that kind of TEAM.

Hey, Cleveland tried and kept trying...

They made ONE mistake...

...that is believing that LeChoke James is great enough to lead a DECENT team to a championship after he led them to the Finals in 2007...

They built a team that won 60+ games and homecourt throughout with the 'Coach of the Year' (last year) and heavily favored to win it all in a back-to-back season until...

...LeStatboy choked and the whole team choked with him...

Chokeland was favored to win against Magic (2009) and Celtics (2010), his fans beaming with confidence both years... they were favored for a reason, right? What happened? Gilbert's fault?

LeChoke... that's what happened...

Terrible mistake... he's NOT capable afterall...

July 12, 2010  09:44 PM ET
QUOTE:

While, it was maybe a little much for my tastes, I do like LeBron's choice. He wanted to win, and he obviously can spell as well, knowing there is no "I" in the word "TEAM".I will certainly enjoy buying 2 tickets when the Heat come to Philly for me and my son to watch the show.

If Miami ever wins one beginning next season, SideKing James will always be remembered as the ADDITION who helped D-Wade's team win more championships...

Wade, 2 rings, 2 FMVP... James 1 ring, 0 FMVP...
...and so on and so forth...

Enjoy the game...

July 12, 2010  09:54 PM ET
QUOTE(#1):

shameful!Cleveland ownership failed to put a title winning team around LBJ and good for him for choosing a new employer.

This is what I don't understand...

When Chokeland was winning 67 games and swept of the first 2 rounds of playoffs in 2008-2009 and 61 games and easy first round of playoffs in 2009-2010, I didn't hear anybody complaining plus LeChoke is the greatest player...

Then they lost one or series or two, all of a sudden blame everybody but LeStatboy...

LeChoke should get most of the blame in defeat as much as he gets most of the credit in victory...

Comparable to Dan Marino... at least Marino stuck around and didn't quit in Miami...

July 12, 2010  11:33 PM ET

Lebron is not taking less money by playing in Miami than playing for another team (excluding Cleveland). First, Florida has no state tax, and second Florida real estate if far less than it is in New York and Chicago.
I believe the overall reaction would not have been what it is if Lebron had decided to go to New York or Chicago instead. At least there he would have been the clear leader of either team. Instead he finds himself in a role situation. Mind you I have no issues with that decision, just as long as we drop the GOAT from his title. By playing for Miami as a number 2 (sorry but D Wade is #1 in South Beach.), he has removed himself from the GOAT race.
With that said... Can we NOW give Kobe that credit he deserves?

July 13, 2010  02:25 AM ET

It's true that LeBron has chosen to play in Miami to win championships, however, as others have already said, he chose the easy route. He has proven by his decision that he cannot win a title with him carrying the team. This decision by LeBron will forever remove him from the elite of the NBA (i.e., Magic, Bird, Jordan, Kobe) and among others who were able to win titles by the team they were drafted by.

LeBron's move to Miami was a way of saying "Hey, I give up, I need to go somewhere else and join two other mega superstars to win a title". At the age of 25, this shouldn't have been the direction LeBron needed to take. It was best for him to stay in Cleveland, get some more help if need be and continue to strive on getting Cleveland a championship trophy.

Go back in history to the John Stockton's, Karl Malone's, Reggie Millers who stayed with one team throughout the majority of their careers and even though they didn't win a championship, they stayed committed and loyal to their organizations. LeBron's decision will forever hurt his legacy as one of the greats ever to play the game.

July 13, 2010  07:39 AM ET

so what your saying is taking 14.5M is not less that taking 16.6M? taxes or no taxes that is still 2M less than he could have made. He still could have made 16.6M in miami with no state tax one way or the other he left more money on the table than either you or me will ever see combined...once again you prove the point of why he had to leave stockton had another top 50 all time player by his side they just happend to run into jordan and his posse.....reggie miller is one of the only ones you can use in this "he should of stayed" argument but then again are you really going to compare the talent level of miller to james not even close.

July 13, 2010  09:55 AM ET
QUOTE(#7):

It's true that LeBron has chosen to play in Miami to win championships, however, as others have already said, he chose the easy route. He has proven by his decision that he cannot win a title with him carrying the team. This decision by LeBron will forever remove him from the elite of the NBA (i.e., Magic, Bird, Jordan, Kobe) and among others who were able to win titles by the team they were drafted by. LeBron's move to Miami was a way of saying "Hey, I give up, I need to go somewhere else and join two other mega superstars to win a title". At the age of 25, this shouldn't have been the direction LeBron needed to take. It was best for him to stay in Cleveland, get some more help if need be and continue to strive on getting Cleveland a championship trophy. Go back in history to the John Stockton's, Karl Malone's, Reggie Millers who stayed with one team throughout the majority of their careers and even though they didn't win a championship, they stayed committed and loyal to their organizations. LeBron's decision will forever hurt his legacy as one of the greats ever to play the game.

Dude, LeBron has not come close to choosing the "easy" route.

Is getting your name trashed, your jersey burned and basically not ever welcome in your home state again the easy route? I think not!

BTW...tell me what big name player from the past that did it on his own?

Magic? He had 2 Hall of Famers in Kareem and Worthy on his team.
Bird? He had 3 Hall of Famers on his team in McHale, Parrish and Johnson...plus a 6th man in Walton!!
Jordan? He had Pippen and Grant then Pippen and Rodman.
How about Kobe? He had Shaq then when he ran them out of town and really had no one, he could not win squat! Eventually Kobe got Pao and won 2 more titles.

Everyone is entitled to an opinion...but when your opinion is stupid...you should just stay off the message boards.

FYI, Stockton and Malone were both great players...it was not their fault they had to face MJ twice...them staying in town had nothing to do with going somewhere else...they had no choice because never in the history of the NBA has a team freed up soooo much money to land sooo many guys all at once.

Your examples hold absolutely no water dude.

Now...LeBron taking 15 million less dollars in favor of winning MULTIPLE titles with his friends....that is news worthy and should be commended.

July 13, 2010  09:57 AM ET

I like how people continue to blame ownership for failing to bring talent around LeBron James. The blame for that also has to fall on LeBron.

First: Which superstar - or even All-Star - would want to play in Cleveland aside from those who are on the back end of their career? None. There's nothing here for them. Nothing exciting, at least when you compare it to places like Miami, New York, and Los Angeles. So that selling point can be completely thrown out the window.

Second: Why would you commit to a team in a boring city when the main selling point - LeBron James - isn't even committed to staying there? I am willing to bet that if LeBron continued to sign extensions before his contract was up, or made it be known earlier this season that his intention was to stay in Cleveland for the entirety of his career, we would have been able to convince someone like Amar'e Stoudemire to come and play for us.

July 13, 2010  10:39 AM ET
QUOTE(#10):

I like how people continue to blame ownership for failing to bring talent around LeBron James. The blame for that also has to fall on LeBron.First: Which superstar - or even All-Star - would want to play in Cleveland aside from those who are on the back end of their career? None. There's nothing here for them. Nothing exciting, at least when you compare it to places like Miami, New York, and Los Angeles. So that selling point can be completely thrown out the window.Second: Why would you commit to a team in a boring city when the main selling point - LeBron James - isn't even committed to staying there? I am willing to bet that if LeBron continued to sign extensions before his contract was up, or made it be known earlier this season that his intention was to stay in Cleveland for the entirety of his career, we would have been able to convince someone like Amar'e Stoudemire to come and play for us.

If the blame falls on LBJ it also fall on his team mates as well. I didn't see cleveland show Ron Harper any love when he was trade to the lonely Clippers. Did the owner give Ron notice, Cleveland had a pretty good team back then. Every team, every player wants to win a title but only one team can win it all. Ownership had the chance to bring Stoudemire to the Cav's but pass on him because they didn't want to give up JJ, who played badly in the playoff, guess you can blame that on LBJ too right? The ownership blow it and failure start from the top down, not from the bottom up. The cav's player tried there best to win last season, you cant blame someone when they're trying. You can blame ownership for not getting Amar'e, they got in AJ instead, who's past his prime plays no defense, and has a history for playing small in big games.

July 13, 2010  01:13 PM ET

The people that are siding with and making excuses for Lebron James behavior over the past few weeks need to get a grip on reality. The guy is an egotiscal schmuck! He was an unrestricted free agent and could sign with any team. I get that, but to put "the decision" on primetime ESPN to make the "announcement" just seemed way over the top to me. As for his desire in winning, I don't buy it, he could have continued playing in the past 2 years playoff losses instead of just laying down and pouting. He and Kobe are what is wrong with the game now! In Charles B.'s words: thas jus turribele!

July 13, 2010  01:37 PM ET
QUOTE(#3):

Hey, Cleveland tried and kept trying...They made ONE mistake... ...that is believing that LeChoke James is great enough to lead a DECENT team to a championship after he led them to the Finals in 2007...They built a team that won 60+ games and homecourt throughout with the 'Coach of the Year' (last year) and heavily favored to win it all in a back-to-back season until......LeStatboy choked and the whole team choked with him...Chokeland was favored to win against Magic (2009) and Celtics (2010), his fans beaming with confidence both years... they were favored for a reason, right? What happened? Gilbert's fault?LeChoke... that's what happened...Terrible mistake... he's NOT capable afterall...

I agree 100 % when they were up 2-1 on the celtis they wre saying how deep and great the team was it cant be both ways

July 13, 2010  04:30 PM ET
QUOTE(#2):

No... SideKing James is NOT just about winning.... He is about winning WITHOUT the pressure of 'being the man' of a team that built around him that he, at the tender age of 25 already chose to "join forces" and jumped on D-Wade's bandwagon... he is about 'easy money'...He QUIT in Cleveland because he didn't believe in himself... He believed that the only way to win is to team up with a former champion and Finals MVP to lead him there...That just tells me what kind of LOSER he really is...SideKing for the next 6 years...

sideking could buy your mouth for his pleasure do you think he cares what you are saying about him???.. im all for people having opinons but not for everybody going with the flow of hate that has went towards this man and im not a james fan.. f&^uk do you mean he quit cause he aint beleive in hisself??? and he quit?? if james quit its because he felt betrayed by a team that sat back and knew west was bonin his mother and aint tell him.. did you ever consider that?? if you go to work every day and you are the best worker there and you find out your bosses knew the laziest worker was jumpin up and down on your moms and aint tell you how would that make you feel??? now lets say another company offered you a better position with a better company and the same amount of money and more loyalty would you stay at the first company??

July 13, 2010  04:33 PM ET
QUOTE(#12):

The people that are siding with and making excuses for Lebron James behavior over the past few weeks need to get a grip on reality. The guy is an egotiscal schmuck! He was an unrestricted free agent and could sign with any team. I get that, but to put "the decision" on primetime ESPN to make the "announcement" just seemed way over the top to me. As for his desire in winning, I don't buy it, he could have continued playing in the past 2 years playoff losses instead of just laying down and pouting. He and Kobe are what is wrong with the game now! In Charles B.'s words: thas jus turribele!

so lebrons egotistical for the big decsion and makes every thing about his self but brett farve dose it every single year and its okay smh... yes i am playing the race card dome white folks just cant stand to see the strong black buck make a choice lol i dont know what yall more mad at the fact he made his own choice or the fact he could read a contract

July 13, 2010  06:50 PM ET

a lot of you cleveland fans sided with gilberts rant last thursday....what you failed to realize is he is your problem why do you think boozer left 6 years ago now bron bron and big Z maybe all you fans found out last thursday what these players knew already Gilbert is a baby that **** and throghs people under the bus when he doesn't get his way.....

July 13, 2010  08:48 PM ET
QUOTE(#14):

sideking could buy your mouth for his pleasure do you think he cares what you are saying about him???.. im all for people having opinons but not for everybody going with the flow of hate that has went towards this man and im not a james fan.. f&^uk do you mean he quit cause he aint beleive in hisself??? and he quit?? if james quit its because he felt betrayed by a team that sat back and knew west was bonin his mother and aint tell him.. did you ever consider that?? if you go to work every day and you are the best worker there and you find out your bosses knew the laziest worker was jumpin up and down on your moms and aint tell you how would that make you feel??? now lets say another company offered you a better position with a better company and the same amount of money and more loyalty would you stay at the first company??

Relax, dude!
You're getting too emotional...

Even Bill Gates won't be able to buy something that is NOT for sale... plus, BTW, I didn't say it... I wrote it... my mouth didn't do it, my fingers did...

His mom's personal life didn't interest me one bit for me to even consider...

Yeah, he QUIT... and he didn't believe in himself as much as the Cavs did...
His stint with the Cavs will forever be regarded as a FAILURE... he FAILED...

LeJoke!

July 13, 2010  08:49 PM ET
QUOTE(#15):

so lebrons egotistical for the big decsion and makes every thing about his self but brett farve dose it every single year and its okay smh... yes i am playing the race card dome white folks just cant stand to see the strong black buck make a choice lol i dont know what yall more mad at the fact he made his own choice or the fact he could read a contract

Jesse Jackson?!?
Is that you?

July 13, 2010  09:06 PM ET
QUOTE(#2):

No... SideKing James is NOT just about winning.... He is about winning WITHOUT the pressure of 'being the man' of a team that built around him that he, at the tender age of 25 already chose to "join forces" and jumped on D-Wade's bandwagon... he is about 'easy money'...He QUIT in Cleveland because he didn't believe in himself... He believed that the only way to win is to team up with a former champion and Finals MVP to lead him there...That just tells me what kind of LOSER he really is...SideKing for the next 6 years...

you nailed it huge. couldn't agree more. oh, and lebron is also ALL about self promotion like the "big decision!" pathetic!!!!!!!!!!

 
July 13, 2010  09:52 PM ET

"Dude, LeBron has not come close to choosing the "easy" route. Is getting your name trashed, your jersey burned and basically not ever welcome in your home state again the easy route? I think not!"

Oh, I see. So your saying that from a basketball stand point, joining the D-Wade show to win a title isn't the easy way out. But instead, fans from Cleveland disowning LeBron by burning his jersey and not welcoming him back must have been very difficult to LeBron. Let's be real here, LeBron could care less what people outside of pro basketball think of him. That goes for the majority of NBA, MLB and NFL pro athletes. These guys are jocks and as long as they are collecting their over compensated check, then what comes from someone like one of us is very much unimportant.

"BTW...tell me what big name player from the past that did it on his own?"

That wasn't my message. Any knowledgeable sports fan understands that winning championships cannot be won by one individual. My point was simply that LeBron should have stuck it out with Cleveland, have faith in the team ownership that they will bring the right pieces to win a championship. I also truly believe that LeBron did give up in the Boston series. I am willing to bet that he had this Miami trio in his mind before and during that series.

"Everyone is entitled to an opinion...but when your opinion is stupid...you should just stay off the message boards".

So basically, what your telling me is that since my opinion is stupid, then that must make you an expert on this subject. And like Sir Charles has said over and over again, only God is an expert. Last time I checked, I don't pray to Jeff Hart every night. So I will continue to state my opinion whether I'm right or wrong and whether people agree with me or not. That's what these message boards are for, so deal with it.

"FYI, Stockton and Malone were both great players...it was not their fault they had to face MJ twice...them staying in town had nothing to do with going somewhere else...they had no choice because never in the history of the NBA has a team freed up soooo much money to land sooo many guys all at once."

I'm sure during their careers, they were free agents. They did have a choice. They chose to stay loyal and accept the challenge. Not take the easy way out.

"Now...LeBron taking 15 million less dollars in favor of winning MULTIPLE titles with his friends....that is news worthy and should be commended".

And that is your opinion.

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