MMA  > General MMA  > Further proof of these liars and whatever else they're running from.
August 12, 2010, 01:41 PM
Two months removed from his first loss in nearly 10 years, Fedor Emelianenko is confident his future ??? and a contract extension with Strikeforce ??? soon will be finalized!

The former PRIDE champion recently suffered an upset submission loss to fellow top-10 heavyweight Fabricio Werdum at a June Showtime-televised event.

Although no return date or opponent have been determined, Emelianenko (32-2 MMA, 1-1 SF) recently said his management team and Strikeforce officials are ready to move forward.

So far I feel very comfortable fighting, very good with my fighting, and I'm planning to fight as long as I can physically, Emelianko recently told m-1global.com, the official site of M-1 Global. As far and I'm concerned we should discuss the possibility of signing another contract for four to six fights.


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Now I offically call BS. This is further proof that M-1 and Fedor never had any intention to fight in the UFC to begin with. Hell, initial negotiations were probably just to garner interest in him!

Imagine this, you got a guy that many Americans aren't familiar with and the biggest American promotion (UFC) is really pushing to get him. Casual fans start thinking, hey, this guy must be something else if the UFC wants him so bad. Then he just walks away and signs with Strikeforce where many feel/felt he was a big fish in a small pond.

Tell me this, does anyone seriously have faith in the fact that Werdum can win a rematch? If not, after he fights Werdum and Ogerreem, who the 'F' is there for him to fight the other FOUR fights against.

IMO, M-1 is watching this new breed of UFC HWs and they want nothing to do with it. Werdum was a UFC outcast and IMO he would drown in the UFC again if he went back there right now!

I don't think Fedor's scared, that argument has been worn out. However, what the hell is his management running from? His management is scared because their BIG barganinn chip has already depreciated in Strikeforce. They want to ink a new deal before a third fight just to ensure better money then they would get should Fedor lose another one. After 27 straight is Fedor too over confident period!? Or is a 34 fight career about to catch up to him?
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August 12, 2010  02:18 PM ET

How many HW does SF have that are ranked in the top 10 right now?

Bigfoot, Overeem, Fedor, Werdum, you can also add in Brett Rogers. Yes he got beat down in his last fight, but so did Mir and Nog in theirs....

So in the UFC he could face Brock, Cain, Dos Santos, Carwin. about the same as he has in SF other than Brock.....

August 12, 2010  02:22 PM ET

LOL Haters be damned.

First they curse and scream that M1 is using SF and will jet as soon as they get a bigger payday. Now they curse again when he signs an extension.
First they say he is affraid of losing. Now that he lost, they say he is affraid of the new breed.

Can't you simply accept that maybe he does not want a company who's president one time says he loves the guy then makes videos stating he is a joke?
Why can't we accept that some people don't like this BS that UFC tends to do ?

Fedor is not your typical fighter. he is quiet. he does not trash talk.
So he probably do nto appreciate a loudmouth saying bad things about him then begging him to ignore all that and just sign the dotted line!

Just stop to think for a second: Fedor is not a greedy man. And probably got more money that he would care for. he is already revered where he lives. he does not need to seek approval from anyone.

he does not need to prove to him nor to anyone that he is the best. I bet he knows that already. He already beat the best.

Why would he go to UFC? he has absolutely NOTHING to prove!

To think anything else is either ignorant, or selfish.

August 12, 2010  02:46 PM ET
QUOTE(#2):

How many HW does SF have that are ranked in the top 10 right now?Bigfoot, Overeem, Fedor, Werdum, you can also add in Brett Rogers. Yes he got beat down in his last fight, but so did Mir and Nog in theirs....So in the UFC he could face Brock, Cain, Dos Santos, Carwin. about the same as he has in SF other than Brock.....

Ok, lets look at this shall we!

Bigfoot lost to Werdum and gave a medicore performance against an ailing AA.
I forget the Chump Werdum beat before Bigfoot (Pyle maybe) and then he SUBd Fedor but Werdum was already a UFC outcast who is part of Cigano six fight win streak. Werdum was no where to be seen on any top 10 list until he severly upset Fedor.
Rogers has lost two in a Row by KO and the ONLY named fighter he beat was AA. How is that top 10 caliber?
You can't count Fedor because he can't fight himself! So that leaves Ogerreem who most folks "thought" had the biggest chance at beating Fedor unitl Fedor lost before facing him.

MMAfighterrankings is widely considered one of the best ranking sites out there. It calibrates based on recent fights, the way the fighter won or lost, and how long it's been since they were active. I.E. It means that a fighter who has a recent decision win doesn't rank as high as a fighter with a recent submission/tko win. Also, a fighter with a recent decision lose ranks higher than a fighter that was SUBd or TKOd. It also accounts for win streaks and in Fedor's case "upset" loses. And it accounts for the caliber of opponent you face (basically how they are ranked). Here is their official August rankings!

MMA Heavyweight Rankings:

Brock Lesnar - UFC Champion
Fedor Emelianenko
Cain Velasquez (+1)
Shane Carwin (-1)
Frank Mir
Junior Dos Santos
Antonio Rodrigo Nogueira
Fabricio Werdum
Alistair Overeem - Strikeforce Champion
Mirko Cro Cop

Numbers indicate position change from a previous month. August fights aren't accounted for so JDS might move up.

Give me another reputable ranking and we can debate it! As it stands based on every aspect the UFC has 7 of the top 10.

August 12, 2010  02:51 PM ET
QUOTE(#3):

LOL Haters be damned.First they curse and scream that M1 is using SF and will jet as soon as they get a bigger payday. Now they curse again when he signs an extension.First they say he is affraid of losing. Now that he lost, they say he is affraid of the new breed.Can't you simply accept that maybe he does not want a company who's president one time says he loves the guy then makes videos stating he is a joke? Why can't we accept that some people don't like this BS that UFC tends to do ?Fedor is not your typical fighter. he is quiet. he does not trash talk. So he probably do nto appreciate a loudmouth saying bad things about him then begging him to ignore all that and just sign the dotted line!Just stop to think for a second: Fedor is not a greedy man. And probably got more money that he would care for. he is already revered where he lives. he does not need to seek approval from anyone.he does not need to prove to him nor to anyone that he is the best. I bet he knows that already. He already beat the best.Why would he go to UFC? he has absolutely NOTHING to prove!To think anything else is either ignorant, or selfish.

It's not ignorant or selfish because the post never said that Fedor should or NEEDS to go to the UFC.

The post says that a new contract proves he/his management NEVER had ANY intention of signing with the UFC from the beginning.

Then, in my own opinion, I explained why I though a six fight contract with Strikeforce was pointless! Lets say he beats Werdum then beats Ogerreem. Maybe a rubber match with Werdum? Then who on gods silly Strikeforce is he going to fight in his other 3 fights? Thats assuming 6 fight contract.

August 12, 2010  02:57 PM ET

Sherdogs List: (does not count August fights)

1. Brock Lesnar (5-1)
2. Fabricio Werdum (14-4-1)
3. Fedor Emelianenko (31-2, 1 NC)
4. Cain Velasquez (8-0)
5. Junior dos Santos (12-1)
6. Shane Carwin (12-1)
7. Frank Mir (13-5)
8. Alistair Overeem (33-11, 1 NC)
9. Antonio Rodrigo Nogueira (32-6-1, 1 NC)
10. Antonio Silva (14-2)

3 of the top 5; UFC! 7 of the top 10; UFC!

Am I alone in thinking that Werdum, who was #9 on some lists and not even on other lists, went from just mentioned to #2 because of a quick (mostly likely lucky) submission. Contrary to belief Fedor wasn't god! Fedor was/is a GREAT fighter but beating him doesn't give you +8 or 9 in rankings.

August 12, 2010  03:04 PM ET

Bloody Elbow ranking (current as of 29 July):

1 Brock Lesnar, UFC (last rank 2)
2 Fedor Emelianenko, M-1 Global/Strikeforce (last rank 1)
3 Cain Velasquez, UFC (last rank 4)
3 Fabricio Werdum, Strikeforce (last rank 9)
5 Shane Carwin, UFC ( last rank 3)
6 Junior dos Santos, UFC ( last rank 6)
7 Frank Mir, UFC ( last rank 5)
8 Alistair Overeem, Strikeforce/DREAM ( last rank 7)
9 Antonio Rodrigo Nogueira, UFC (last rank 8)
10 Josh Barnett, DREAM/Impact Fighting (last rank 10)

UFC 6 of 10.

August 12, 2010  03:07 PM ET
QUOTE(#6):

Sherdogs List: (does not count August fights)1. Brock Lesnar (5-1) 2. Fabricio Werdum (14-4-1) 3. Fedor Emelianenko (31-2, 1 NC) 4. Cain Velasquez (8-0) 5. Junior dos Santos (12-1) 6. Shane Carwin (12-1) 7. Frank Mir (13-5) 8. Alistair Overeem (33-11, 1 NC) 9. Antonio Rodrigo Nogueira (32-6-1, 1 NC) 10. Antonio Silva (14-2) 3 of the top 5; UFC! 7 of the top 10; UFC! Am I alone in thinking that Werdum, who was #9 on some lists and not even on other lists, went from just mentioned to #2 because of a quick (mostly likely lucky) submission. Contrary to belief Fedor wasn't god! Fedor was/is a GREAT fighter but beating him doesn't give you +8 or 9 in rankings.

Check your math again Krypto. 4 of them are SF.

So lets use your logic then......
2 of the top 3 are SF

August 12, 2010  03:08 PM ET

MMA Weekly (when the F do they update, Rogers, really?):

1. Brock Lesnar
2. Fabricio Werdum
3. Fedor Emelianenko
4. Cain Velasquez
5. Junior dos Santos
6. Shane Carwin
7. Alistair Overeem
8. Frank Mir
9. Antonio Rodrigo Nogueira
10. Brett rogers

According to them, this is as of August 11, 2010!

August 12, 2010  03:09 PM ET
QUOTE(#8):

Check your math again Krypto. 4 of them are SF. So lets use your logic then......2 of the top 3 are SF

You are right, my apologies. 6 out of 10 seems to be pretty consistent across the board!

August 12, 2010  03:11 PM ET
QUOTE(#7):

Bloody Elbow ranking (current as of 29 July):1 Brock Lesnar, UFC (last rank 2) 2 Fedor Emelianenko, M-1 Global/Strikeforce (last rank 1) 3 Cain Velasquez, UFC (last rank 4) 3 Fabricio Werdum, Strikeforce (last rank 9) 5 Shane Carwin, UFC ( last rank 3)6 Junior dos Santos, UFC ( last rank 6)7 Frank Mir, UFC ( last rank 5)8 Alistair Overeem, Strikeforce/DREAM ( last rank 7) 9 Antonio Rodrigo Nogueira, UFC (last rank 8)10 Josh Barnett, DREAM/Impact Fighting (last rank 10)UFC 6 of 10.

And lets be honest here does anyone really think Frank Mir deserves to be ahead of Overeem?


And what has Shane Carwin done to prove he is worthy of a top 5 ranking? He beat up Frank Mir? Which Frank Mir has lost 2 of his last 3 fights by way of devastating KO's. Mir's only win came against a guy that has no ground game what so ever.....


The funny thing about ranking people you can spin the facts any way you want to kind of like you did.

August 12, 2010  03:12 PM ET
QUOTE(#8):

Check your math again Krypto. 4 of them are SF. So lets use your logic then......2 of the top 3 are SF

But can we agree that Werdum is NOT #2?

If you knock him down to #6, which is where he really belongs, then UFC has 4 of the top HWs.

August 12, 2010  03:13 PM ET
QUOTE(#9):

MMA Weekly (when the F do they update, Rogers, really?):1. Brock Lesnar2. Fabricio Werdum3. Fedor Emelianenko4. Cain Velasquez5. Junior dos Santos6. Shane Carwin7. Alistair Overeem8. Frank Mir9. Antonio Rodrigo Nogueira10. Brett rogersAccording to them, this is as of August 11, 2010!

What has Shane Carwin done that is any different than Brett Rogers? They both are heavy handed and big....

Rogers has lost to Fedor and Overeem.... is that such a bad thing?

August 12, 2010  03:14 PM ET
QUOTE(#12):

But can we agree that Werdum is NOT #2?If you knock him down to #6, which is where he really belongs, then UFC has 4 of the top HWs.

Not really because you could easily say Overeem deserves to be the one ranked that high.... Please don't sit here and tell me Cain should be ranked higher than Overeem.

August 12, 2010  03:18 PM ET
QUOTE(#11):

And lets be honest here does anyone really think Frank Mir deserves to be ahead of Overeem?And what has Shane Carwin done to prove he is worthy of a top 5 ranking? He beat up Frank Mir? Which Frank Mir has lost 2 of his last 3 fights by way of devastating KO's. Mir's only win came against a guy that has no ground game what so ever.....The funny thing about ranking people you can spin the facts any way you want to kind of like you did.

Hence these rankings:

Brock Lesnar - UFC Champion
Fedor Emelianenko
Cain Velasquez (+1)
Shane Carwin (-1)
Frank Mir
Junior Dos Santos
Antonio Rodrigo Nogueira
Fabricio Werdum
Alistair Overeem - Strikeforce Champion
Mirko Cro Cop

These account for who you faught, how you won or lost, the CALIBER of fighter that beat you, and the frequency/last time you faught.

Frank Mir beat NOG, lost to the consensus #1 of Brock (every single site ranks Brock at #1), Beat Kongo decisively and quickly, then lost to Carwin. Overeem faught his first MMA fight in over two years against a non-ranked opponent (Brett Rogers).

Carwin rolled through Gonzaga (was considered a challenger at that point in time), Mir, and then nearly beat the Consensus #1.

It's all subjective but taking EVERY aspect into account is probably the best way to rank them.

August 12, 2010  03:18 PM ET

My top 10 HW's would be.

1. Brock
2. Fedor
3. Overeem
4. Cain
5. Dos Santos
6. Werdum
7. Carwin
8. Mir
9. Silva"bigfoot"
10. My heart says Nog, but I think he is a shell of his former self. His only win was over a declining Randy and if he loses to Mir in his next fight belongs no where near the top 10 discussions.... One could even say Barnett. He is still fighting and still winning...
8.

August 12, 2010  03:19 PM ET

"Overeem faught his first MMA fight in over two years against a non-ranked opponent (Brett Rogers)"


The last I checked at the time Overeem fought Brett he was ranked.....

August 12, 2010  03:20 PM ET
QUOTE(#13):

What has Shane Carwin done that is any different than Brett Rogers? They both are heavy handed and big....Rogers has lost to Fedor and Overeem.... is that such a bad thing?

Overreem was ranked high at the time due to inactivity so him beating Rogers just lended further proof to the fact that Rogers can't win against the top guys. I explained in comment 15 why Carwin is over Rogers. Rogers would get his **** kicked by Mir...Rogers would lose to anyone on that list!

August 12, 2010  03:20 PM ET
QUOTE(#15):

Hence these rankings:Brock Lesnar - UFC Champion Fedor Emelianenko Cain Velasquez (+1) Shane Carwin (-1) Frank Mir Junior Dos Santos Antonio Rodrigo Nogueira Fabricio Werdum Alistair Overeem - Strikeforce Champion Mirko Cro Cop These account for who you faught, how you won or lost, the CALIBER of fighter that beat you, and the frequency/last time you faught.Frank Mir beat NOG, lost to the consensus #1 of Brock (every single site ranks Brock at #1), Beat Kongo decisively and quickly, then lost to Carwin. Overeem faught his first MMA fight in over two years against a non-ranked opponent (Brett Rogers).Carwin rolled through Gonzaga (was considered a challenger at that point in time), Mir, and then nearly beat the Consensus #1.It's all subjective but taking EVERY aspect into account is probably the best way to rank them.

using this logic no way in hell Cro cop should even be in the discussion

 
August 12, 2010  03:21 PM ET
QUOTE(#14):

Not really because you could easily say Overeem deserves to be the one ranked that high.... Please don't sit here and tell me Cain should be ranked higher than Overeem.

Yes, Cain should be based off recent performance . When is Overreem going to fight more than once every 2 years!

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