MMA  > General MMA  > Since when is 274 pounds heavyweight?
August 15, 2010, 02:48 AM
Just watched the Tim Sylvia vs Paul Buentello fight off of youtube. It was a joke. Why any one would shell out 30 bucks for that crap is beyond on me.

Okay so im at my friends house can't really watch much mma action. Saw Bellator 24 on comasct sports net and the Neil Grove-Eddie Sanchez fight that the ref/doctor stopped had more action in it. Least the heavweights were in shape and in the heavyweight class.

Can some one tell how Sylvia got away with weighing in at 274 pounds for a hw title match?

Also why did strikeforce go with 2 3 min rounds for their womens 135 pound tournament? You can easily game plan around that by taking your opponent to the ground and hoping for a decision win. Not the most exciting thing 2 watch for the fan. Why not do it like dream , the whole tournament spans over 2 or 3 events?
August 15, 2010  02:54 AM ET

I think the war on the mainland event was done in an old boxing ring that they found in an alley.

August 15, 2010  12:36 PM ET
QUOTE:

Just watched the Tim Sylvia vs Paul Buentello fight off of youtube. It was a joke. Why any one would shell out 30 bucks for that crap is beyond on me. Okay so im at my friends house can't really watch much mma action. Saw Bellator 24 on comasct sports net and the Neil Grove-Eddie Sanchez fight that the ref/doctor stopped had more action in it. Least the heavweights were in shape and in the heavyweight class. Can some one tell how Sylvia got away with weighing in at 274 pounds for a hw title match?Also why did strikeforce go with 2 3 min rounds for their womens 135 pound tournament? You can easily game plan around that by taking your opponent to the ground and hoping for a decision win. Not the most exciting thing 2 watch for the fan. Why not do it like dream , the whole tournament spans over 2 or 3 events?

Bellator was way better, and Neil Grove would probably KO both Paul and Tim at this point. Both Tim and Paul are way beyond over the hill now, but Tim could put together a decent career resurgence if he strings a few more wins together. He will fight Tim next, and I that should be a good fight to see which of these two can continue this late career run at relevance.

As to how Tim got away with weighing in at 274, I don't really know. Under normal circumstances they can just make it an openweight fight or a catchweight, or make it a super heavyweight fight if both guys are ove (like they did for Sylvia-Pudzianowski). But this was for the Heavyweight Championship of that promotion, so I don't know how they swung that with the commission. Usually the commission makes it a non-title bout if both don't make weight.

The 2x3 minute rounds for the Strikeforce womens tournament. This was forced by the commission so that they could do the tournament in one night. Under normal rules the commission won't sanction a fighter for more than one fight a night.

August 15, 2010  12:40 PM ET

Ok, I just read that Tim and Paul both agreed in their contracts to a 275 pound weight limit and they got the commission to sign off on it.

And since Tim weighed in just .66 pounds under the 275 pound limit that tells me he cut at least some weight to make it and can't make 265 right now even with a fierce cut, putting him well over 280 at fight time.

If Time ever wants to be a serious fighter again he needs to lose some weight. If I were him I would seriously consider getting back on steroids and fighting only in Japan. There are still some big fights he could do there, Arlovski, Alistair and even guys like Minowa are fights that Dream could make happen.

August 15, 2010  01:50 PM ET
QUOTE(#3):

Ok, I just read that Tim and Paul both agreed in their contracts to a 275 pound weight limit and they got the commission to sign off on it. And since Tim weighed in just .66 pounds under the 275 pound limit that tells me he cut at least some weight to make it and can't make 265 right now even with a fierce cut, putting him well over 280 at fight time. If Time ever wants to be a serious fighter again he needs to lose some weight. If I were him I would seriously consider getting back on steroids and fighting only in Japan. There are still some big fights he could do there, Arlovski, Alistair and even guys like Minowa are fights that Dream could make happen.

I don't think he could beat any of those guys...

August 15, 2010  02:48 PM ET

They felt bad for Tim because of his bad haircut so they let it slide.

August 15, 2010  07:44 PM ET
QUOTE(#4):

I don't think he could beat any of those guys...

I don't either, but they are fights that Japan could make happen that people would want to see.

Tim was once pretty good, and he still has incredible reach and is a decently technical striker. If he cleans up his game, he is still way taller than everyone else and remains the only guy that big and good of a striker with a good enough sprawl to stay standing.

And he has KO'd Arlovski twice before, who's to say he can't do that again, especially with the downward slide Andrei is on now?

August 15, 2010  07:47 PM ET
QUOTE(#6):

I don't either, but they are fights that Japan could make happen that people would want to see. Tim was once pretty good, and he still has incredible reach and is a decently technical striker. If he cleans up his game, he is still way taller than everyone else and remains the only guy that big and good of a striker with a good enough sprawl to stay standing.And he has KO'd Arlovski twice before, who's to say he can't do that again, especially with the downward slide Andrei is on now?

In that I agree, but what would AA gain to fighting Tim? nothing. I don't think he would.

And in any event, I don't think Tim has it in him to get back in shape. I mean, look at him now. He's so far removed from respectability, he's fat, flabby and can't make 265. If he would (at least) attempt, he could still make some more out of his career. but as it is, he just let himself go, and I don't see what would need to happen to change his mindset.

August 16, 2010  12:31 AM ET
QUOTE(#7):

In that I agree, but what would AA gain to fighting Tim? nothing. I don't think he would.And in any event, I don't think Tim has it in him to get back in shape. I mean, look at him now. He's so far removed from respectability, he's fat, flabby and can't make 265. If he would (at least) attempt, he could still make some more out of his career. but as it is, he just let himself go, and I don't see what would need to happen to change his mindset.

I disagree.

He is taking steps to lose that weight, for God's sake he was 310 when he lost to Mercer. He is only ten pounds away from making 265, and if he diets hard and works out like he should he'll be able to lose that in three weeks tops.

I bet he makes 265 for his first defense against Rizzo (and promptly gets both of his legs broken).

I think Rizzo is on the fast track back to the UFC. A win over Big Tim could be just what it takes to put him over the edge in Dana's eyes.

August 16, 2010  12:53 AM ET
QUOTE(#7):

In that I agree, but what would AA gain to fighting Tim? nothing. I don't think he would.

And at this point are we really putting AA that much further ahead of Tim?

Tim is coming off of three wins now, one semi-relevant.

More than we can say for AA, who has lost three straight since beating Roy Nelson way back in 2008, a fight he probably would have lost had it not been for that atrocious standup.

August 16, 2010  09:21 AM ET
QUOTE(#8):

I disagree. He is taking steps to lose that weight, for God's sake he was 310 when he lost to Mercer. He is only ten pounds away from making 265, and if he diets hard and works out like he should he'll be able to lose that in three weeks tops. I bet he makes 265 for his first defense against Rizzo (and promptly gets both of his legs broken).I think Rizzo is on the fast track back to the UFC. A win over Big Tim could be just what it takes to put him over the edge in Dana's eyes.

3 weeks ? it looks you are overly optimistic.
As you said, 274 was after weight cut which means he probably could not cut more if he wanted to.
Yes, he could get back in shape. but that warrants the question: why did he let it go? And does he really want back in? he knows he cannot hang with the big dogs...although it would be funny if he would beat lesnar...

August 16, 2010  09:22 AM ET
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And at this point are we really putting AA that much further ahead of Tim?Tim is coming off of three wins now, one semi-relevant. More than we can say for AA, who has lost three straight since beating Roy Nelson way back in 2008, a fight he probably would have lost had it not been for that atrocious standup.

look who each fought and tell me which ones you would thing Tim could win that AA lost to...and how many would AA win that Tim won...

Don't cherry-pick and come with W & L only.
the quality is what matters most.

August 17, 2010  12:04 AM ET
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look who each fought and tell me which ones you would thing Tim could win that AA lost to...and how many would AA win that Tim won...Don't cherry-pick and come with W & L only.the quality is what matters most.

I know it's hip to hate on the fat man, but I think Sylvia would've fared better against both Rogers and Bigfoot. On the flip side, Arlovski wouldn't have gotten KO'd by Mercer.
All things considered, both guys seem to be on the downside of their careers. Sylvia probably more so than Arlovski, but I don't think either will actually be relevant in any sort of serious contention going forward. Their biggest asset with be that whatever promotions they fight for can announce them as "former UFC Heavyweight Champion."

August 17, 2010  12:34 AM ET

The king of the cage event was pretty good from last week on hd net. You guys need to get that network. Even Rogan said it was pretty good.

August 17, 2010  12:35 AM ET
QUOTE(#13):

The king of the cage event was pretty good from last week on hd net. You guys need to get that network. Even Rogan said it was pretty good.

The network. Not sure if he watched it.

 
August 17, 2010  01:24 AM ET
QUOTE(#5):

They felt bad for Tim because of his bad haircut so they let it slide.

+1, hah hah.

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