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August 20, 2010, 07:25 PM
Fannation, in case someone doesn't know, here's the lineup for UFC 118. Besides Edgar vs. Penn, which other fight is of MOST interest? Why?

UFC Lightweight Championship
Frankie Edgar vs. B.J. Penn

Randy Couture vs. James Toney
Kenny Florian vs. Gray Maynard
Demian Maia vs. Mario Miranda
Nate Diaz vs. Marcus Davis
Joe Lauzon vs. Gabe Ruediger
Andre Winner vs. Nik Lentz
Dan Miller vs. John Salter
Nick Osipczak vs. Greg Soto
Mike Pierce vs. Amilcar Alves
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August 20, 2010  09:02 PM ET

Has to be Couture vs Toney, just because the way it is being cast as MMA vs Boxing.

The MMA vs Boxing debate has been going on for a long time now, and we now have two champions, both past their primes be relatively about the the same distance from their primes, squaring off against each other. I always figured an MMA guy would get a big Boxing match before a Boxer came over to MMA.

Don't underestimate the carry over from one combat sport to another. I still think that Couture will ground and pound him but it is well within the realm of possibilty that Toney could KO Randy.

Can't wait to see the result of that fight.

Florian vs Maynard is a better overall MMA fight, with obvious and immediate title implications, but Couture-Toney will have a bigger historical impact.

August 20, 2010  09:07 PM ET

I like both the Lightweight fights, for the title and for the #1 contender.

But I guess the 2nd most important fight on the card has to be Randy vs Toney. Because of all the simbolism involved; this is the best boxer ever to compete in MMA, even if past his prime.

August 20, 2010  09:14 PM ET

i don't like it.
I don't like the card, I don't like even the title shot nor the title implication fights.

IMO it is bad for MMA. To get a decadent guy in Toney to fight a legend in Randy. WHile I think either can win, MMA has nore to lose than Boxing.
Boxing gives the fighter a puncher's chance in MMA while an MMA fighter would be stripped out of most of what he is used in Boxing, so it is unfair to think Boxing is giving up much in this fight.

Second: BJ getting a rematch. I disagree. And anyone who says otherwise are fanboys.
Sonnen didn't get a rematch and he dominated silva for 4.5 rounds.
BJ was lacaidistical and dominated by Frankie. There's no real reason for this fight.

And the title shot implications, do we really want to see BJ & Florian one more time?

For this to be the first time in Boston, the birth place of Dana, I expected a better show.

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August 21, 2010  10:21 AM ET
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There are rumors that if BJ wins, and Kenny wins, then BJ will move up to 170. Not sure how accurate those rumors are, but it seems the UFC doesnt want to make a Kenny-BJ 2nd fight.

Well, BJ has always wanted that WW belt back, so that makes sense.

August 21, 2010  10:24 AM ET
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Second: BJ getting a rematch. I disagree. And anyone who says otherwise are fanboys.Sonnen didn't get a rematch and he dominated silva for 4.5 rounds.BJ was lacaidistical and dominated by Frankie. There's no real reason for this fight.

Two completely different scenarios.

- Anderson finished Sonnen by submission. Yes, he came from behind, but he finished him and it wasn't obviously a fluke.

- BJ Penn vs Frankie Edgar went to a decision and it was a controversial one. Edgar threw more punches but he missed many of those and the judges decided to score them. The decision was a bad one.

Fightmetric had it 49-47 for BJ, as most of the websites also had.

http://blog.fightmetric.com/2010/08/edgar-vs-penn-fightmetric-report.html

And I'm far from a BJ Penn fanboy.

August 21, 2010  10:24 AM ET

As for Couture vs Toney, yes it's a freak fight. But I hope it's a freak fight that goes Randy's way.

August 21, 2010  11:17 AM ET
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The Sonnen-Silva fight wasnt controversial like the PEnn-Edgar fight was. Anderson won by Sub, Frankie won by bad decision.

are you telling me it was like Rua & Shogun? because I don't see it.
Moreover, I see it as BJ's fasult for not fighting at all and just waiting for Edgar.

It was not controversial at all. It might have been close, but you and I know that if BJ wanted, he could have finnished the fight the same way as Silva could have finnished Maia.

August 21, 2010  11:22 AM ET
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Two completely different scenarios.- Anderson finished Sonnen by submission. Yes, he came from behind, but he finished him and it wasn't obviously a fluke.- BJ Penn vs Frankie Edgar went to a decision and it was a controversial one. Edgar threw more punches but he missed many of those and the judges decided to score them. The decision was a bad one.Fightmetric had it 49-47 for BJ, as most of the websites also had.http://blog.fightmetric.com/2010/08/edgar-vs-penn-fightmetric-report.h tmlAnd I'm far from a BJ Penn fanboy.

Hyped. the reason BJ loss is because he didn't show up to fight.
The reason Frankie won was because he took ALL of the intitiative. Sliped in and out and this scored points as aggresivity and octagon control. he even took BJ down twice.

BJ did basically nothing. Stayed put and counter-punched.

The decision only existed because BJ let this fight slip and didn't care to dominate Frankie. I don't see how this wasa terrible decision that warranted an instant rematch.
You guys keep this up, and every single damn fight will have to have a rematch.
I disagree with it.
Rua & machida warranted a rematch.

Rampage & Griffin, BJ & Edgar, Maia Silva were all debatable and sure as hell doesn't warrant an instant rematch.

Lesnar Carwin, Sonnen Silva would be GREAT to see a rematch. Even more than the ones immediately above.

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August 21, 2010  12:10 PM ET
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Hyped. the reason BJ loss is because he didn't show up to fight.The reason Frankie won was because he took ALL of the intitiative. Sliped in and out and this scored points as aggresivity and octagon control. he even took BJ down twice.BJ did basically nothing. Stayed put and counter-punched.The decision only existed because BJ let this fight slip and didn't care to dominate Frankie. I don't see how this wasa terrible decision that warranted an instant rematch.You guys keep this up, and every single damn fight will have to have a rematch. I disagree with it.Rua & machida warranted a rematch.Rampage & Griffin, BJ & Edgar, Maia Silva were all debatable and sure as hell doesn't warrant an instant rematch.Lesnar Carwin, Sonnen Silva would be GREAT to see a rematch. Even more than the ones immediately above.

The problem is that you saw Frankie moving and "dancing" more but it was BJ Penn who landed more strikes.

August 21, 2010  12:11 PM ET

And yes, BJ didn't fight his fight. But he still did enough to keep his belt.

August 21, 2010  12:31 PM ET

I don't think BJ and Frankie with me that close. I think BJ will dominate Frankie.

Toney and Couture is going to be boring IMO. If it is a normal Couture fight of late it will be boring.

Maynard-Florian will be great. I really like to watch KenFlo fight. He is a contender.

Davis-Diaz is a good fight. Diaz has the sick BJJ and Davis has the good stand up. So it will be a good one. I think this will be the mot interesting fight.

August 21, 2010  12:42 PM ET
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I don't think BJ and Frankie with me that close. I think BJ will dominate Frankie.Toney and Couture is going to be boring IMO. If it is a normal Couture fight of late it will be boring.Maynard-Florian will be great. I really like to watch KenFlo fight. He is a contender.Davis-Diaz is a good fight. Diaz has the sick BJJ and Davis has the good stand up. So it will be a good one. I think this will be the mot interesting fight.

Good analysis.

Toney and Couture can end really fast (a Toney KO or a quick ground 'n pound stoppage) or it can go the distance, with the same pattern: clinch, grind, takedown, some ground 'n pounc, repeat, repeat.

August 21, 2010  01:16 PM ET
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I guess I saw the fight differently. I saw Frankie dancing around, and then come in and exchange, lose the exchange and then dance away. Sorry but you dont win fights by dancing around and missing punches. BJ landed the cleaner more effective punches and won the first 3 rounds IMO. Frankie only won the 5th round IMO. I scored the fight the same exact way as fight metric and other websites did. Thats the reson for the rematch. Obviously the UFC agrees with the sentiment of people like myself, Hyped, fighmetric, several MMA websites, and a lot of fans.

that is utterly BS.
You are funny. you just say you agree with fightmetric because it happened to agree with you.

Are you telling me it is as controversial as Machida & Rua??? You don't answer because you KNOW the answer is a resounding NO.

The reason for the rematch is because Frankie don't sell and they want BJ to remain at the top.

If you can't see that, you are just dumb. And I know you aren't, so don't play dumb!

 
August 21, 2010  01:22 PM ET
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Are you telling me it is as controversial as Machida & Rua??? You don't answer because you KNOW the answer is a resounding NO.

sorry, just oted the comment after tyoping the response. if you do think this fight is as controversial as Machida & Rua, I have nothing to tell you.

I just don't know MMA apparently. because I saw no big controversay on this fight.
it was a close fight. Frankie did all te attacking, BJ just waited and counter punched.
Bj hit more, but all the initiative was Frankie's and he chose where to fight, how to engage, etc. Frankie had even takedowns ahile BJ did absolutely NOTHING.

if King Mo won a fight where he clearly only had takedowns, why in the blue sky do you think BJ would win a fight where he basically didn't come to fight?

This is marketing only. BJ sells. Frankie doesn't. BJ is the P4P best, Frankie shouldn't even be in thjis weightclass. BJ can be unbeatable, Frankie would surely lose to maynard, KenFlo, etc.

This rematch has NOTHING to do with controversy. It has to do with business.

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