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August 22, 2010, 10:11 PM
The reasons for a playoff are obvious, the argument that the regular season is the playoffs, i never did get. With the season near (Thank Crist!) can someone please explain why major college football is the only sport in the world not to have a playoff system, and i know the short answer, so please give me your long winded expensive drawn out answer, as in your choice of the perfect playoff system.


Take your time, we have plenty of that.
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August 22, 2010  10:45 PM ET

Evidently we had a thread about this last year (or before), and then I started one a couple of months ago (and got yelled at...{sniff, sniff})...so here we are again

Actually, I think a playoff will deminish the CFB experience. No matter what is done, there will always be the "human" element, and you will never be able to include, without exclusion, ALL 120 FBS teams, and thus controversy.

Since you will have controversy, just keep it like it is and let the chips fall where they may....and 'Bama wins 10 more....

August 23, 2010  12:21 AM ET

Van,

A playoff would add too many extra games to the already long football season. This would be a burden on student-athletes, who need to be in classes--not traveling around the country playing in some 16 team playoff. The NCAA is rightfully looking out for the interests of student-athletes, as is their charter.

Also, a playoff would diminish the excitement of the regular season, where every game is a de facto elimination round.

Finally, only the top N (4, 8, 16 or whatever) would get to participate in a meaningful post season. There are many hundreds of hard working student athletes at lesser schools who would be denied the reward of a post season game after a successful season.







Oh carp. I can't keep that up. What tnerb said.

August 23, 2010  06:03 AM ET

Here's a unique idea for everyone to chew on!

If the BCS' whole argument is that the regular season is like a playoff (even though it's really not), then it stands to reason that the fix is in here. If the regular season were to be "like" a playoff, then let's make the regular season an ACTUAL playoff.

Some things would have to change, but here's the idea in a nutshell:

1. Pass a rule forbidding the scheduling of FCS (Div I-AA) teams during the regular season. Make everyone play another FBS subdivision team. For this system to work, all schedules will have to be as equal as possible while still allowing universities to schedule their own opponents as before.

2. Mandate one, and only one, "Open Date" on every school's schedule. That way everyone plays the same exact number of games per year (12), but still gets at least one week off.

3. Starting on Labor Day Weekend (Week 1), 120 FBS teams start out on equal terms. This would require the elimination of the Preseason Poll, as well as require the BCS to tear up its pre-existing arrangement with the Six "Power" Conferences and Notre Dame.

Continued after the jump...

August 23, 2010  06:10 AM ET

4. In qualifying for the end-of-season playoff, mandate a two-strikes-and-you're-out policy for every team. In essence, the first ten weeks of the FBS season is a "double-elimination" tournament. Once a team has two losses recorded, they cannot be considered for the dance. This not only magnifies regular season importance, this will magnify rivalries as well. Imagine a one-loss Oklahoma fighting for their very playoff lives against an undefeated or one-loss Texas in the "Red River Shootout"? A rivalry game takes on added importance as an "elimination" game!

5. After Week Ten's games have resolved, take the top eight zero or one loss teams in the BCS Top 25 Poll and flex-schedule them into games against one another based upon seeding (1v8, 2v7, and so on). All the rest of the teams that failed to qualify finish out their regular seasons as previously scheduled to determine Bowl positioning. Teams that had their opponents taken away from them due to the flex-scheduling would be compensated financially by the NCAA.

6. In Week Eleven, the top eight teams play one another. The winners stay alive for the BCS National Championship Game, while the losers go back to their previously scheduled games along with the other eliminees. Then, in Week Twelve, in addition to any Conference Championship Games, stage the final two games between the "BCS Final Four" teams. The winners are automatically slotted into the Jan 7th BCS National Championship Game. The losers of the national semifinals are auto-slotted into the Rose Bowl Game for the consolation championship (Who wouldn't want a Rose Bowl Trophy on their shelf in lieu of a Crystal Football?).

7. If two teams from the same Conference wind up as the final two teams, then so be it. Simply make it so that the BCS title game also determines the champion from that Conference. Imagine Florida and Alabama playing for the SEC and national title in the same game?! The television ratings would be OBSCENE!!

8. With the National Title Contenders established by the close of business on Week 12, this leaves the FBS to schedule their pre-existing Bowl Games as usual. Major bowl games such as the Cotton, Sugar, Orange, and Fiesta Bowls can go back to their previous tradition of inviting certain teams. With the playoffs out of the way before "Bowl Season," no major alterations in the student-athletes' schedules or travel will need to take place. The Bowl Alliance can have their cake and eat it too, and the fans will actually be satisfied because the system will have played itself out on the football field instead of by committee.

August 23, 2010  06:12 AM ET
QUOTE(#2):

Actually, I think a playoff will deminish the CFB experience.

This comment by Default 2, in a very concise way, projects my feelings about big time college football trying to become like every other sport.

August 23, 2010  07:56 AM ET
QUOTE(#6):

This comment by Default 2, in a very concise way, projects my feelings about big time college football trying to become like every other sport.

and you quote the misspelled word....*diminish.....or is that your point? that CFB "diminishes" education?

August 23, 2010  08:34 AM ET
QUOTE(#7):

and you quote the misspelled word....*diminish.....or is that your point? that CFB "diminishes" education?

No. I was being serious.

I pay no attention to spelling, my own or anyone else's.

(or grammar)

August 23, 2010  08:42 AM ET
QUOTE(#6):

This comment by Default 2, in a very concise way, projects my feelings about big time college football trying to become like every other sport.

Insert obligatory, annual 40 post argument that gets us nowhere.


How was the summer, JP? Are you willing to do a HCP Parking thread with me this year? I was thinking of starting around week 4 when the conference games get in full swing and we know a few things about the teams.

August 23, 2010  08:50 AM ET
QUOTE(#9):

Insert obligatory, annual 40 post argument that gets us nowhere.How was the summer, JP? Are you willing to do a HCP Parking thread with me this year? I was thinking of starting around week 4 when the conference games get in full swing and we know a few things about the teams.

I loved that thread. Of course I will participate.

The summer has been good, biding my time rooting for the TB Rays and playing real and fantasy golf.

August 23, 2010  09:24 AM ET
QUOTE(#1):

Money!

Whew! That about tuckered me right out!

Get ya some gatorade Tnerb. That was a gutsy performance.
You don't want to dehydrate.

August 23, 2010  09:39 AM ET
QUOTE(#8):

I pay no attention to spelling, my own or anyone else's.

(or grammar)

Whew;: thank For graschiousness that PJ/
Bewhen my spelling? can.
be atrotious in times/

"RLFMOA"=

-:]^

August 23, 2010  10:14 AM ET

Ok, all kidding aside...


Good question Van.
I'll give a more expensive answer (at $150/hr, of course).

I have no idea why CFB doesn't have a playoff. And I'm really glad it doesn't. It's the only sport I follow - at all. It is my 1 'hobby'. I have a feeling that if CFB did have a playoff, like all other major sports, I may never have developed a passion for it in the first place.

If that were the case, my 'hobby' now could very well be quilting, scrapbooking, pick-up sticks, or who knows what. Not that there's anything wrong with those hobbies, but ....

Anyway, you get the idea.


Ok, so that took me 12 minutes to think up and type.
So everyone reading this owes me $30.
(cash and/or carrots only please!)

August 23, 2010  12:00 PM ET
QUOTE(#13):

Anyway, you get the idea.Ok, so that took me 12 minutes to think up and type. So everyone reading this owes me $30. (cash and/or carrots only please!)

You probably want to check tnerb's money carefully before trying to spend it.

August 23, 2010  12:13 PM ET
QUOTE(#4):

1. Pass a rule forbidding the scheduling of FCS (Div I-AA) teams during the regular season. Make everyone play another FBS subdivision team. For this system to work, all schedules will have to be as equal as possible while still allowing universities to schedule their own opponents as before.

Good stuff gold rush. I also hate teams playing FCS opponents.

I think the BCS could help things by telling the computer wonks like Massey/Sagarin, etc. to not include the win in their rankings. They could also create a rule that no team is eligible for a BCS bowl if they played any games against FCS opponents during the season.

I doubt it will happen, but I can always hope.

August 23, 2010  12:36 PM ET
QUOTE(#9):

Are you willing to do a HCP Parking thread with me this year? I was thinking of starting around week 4 when the conference games get in full swing and we know a few things about the teams.

One of my favorite threads ever. Excellent work each week, and I know it ain't easy to do the amount of research that takes. I appreciate all the effort, guys. Good stuff.

August 23, 2010  09:33 PM ET
QUOTE(#5):

4. In qualifying for the end-of-season playoff, mandate a two-strikes-and-you're-out policy for every team. In essence, the first ten weeks of the FBS season is a "double-elimination" tournament. Once a team has two losses recorded, they cannot be considered for the dance. This not only magnifies regular season importance, this will magnify rivalries as well. Imagine a one-loss Oklahoma fighting for their very playoff lives against an undefeated or one-loss Texas in the "Red River Shootout"? A rivalry game takes on added importance as an "elimination" game!5. After Week Ten's games have resolved, take the top eight zero or one loss teams in the BCS Top 25 Poll and flex-schedule them into games against one another based upon seeding (1v8, 2v7, and so on). All the rest of the teams that failed to qualify finish out their regular seasons as previously scheduled to determine Bowl positioning. Teams that had their opponents taken away from them due to the flex-scheduling would be compensated financially by the NCAA.6. In Week Eleven, the top eight teams play one another. The winners stay alive for the BCS National Championship Game, while the losers go back to their previously scheduled games along with the other eliminees. Then, in Week Twelve, in addition to any Conference Championship Games, stage the final two games between the "BCS Final Four" teams. The winners are automatically slotted into the Jan 7th BCS National Championship Game. The losers of the national semifinals are auto-slotted into the Rose Bowl Game for the consolation championship (Who wouldn't want a Rose Bowl Trophy on their shelf in lieu of a Crystal Football?).7. If two teams from the same Conference wind up as the final two teams, then so be it. Simply make it so that the BCS title game also determines the champion from that Conference. Imagine Florida and Alabama playing for the SEC and national title in the same game?! The television ratings would be OBSCENE!!8. With the National Title Contenders established by the close of business on Week 12, this leaves the FBS to schedule their pre-existing Bowl Games as usual. Major bowl games such as the Cotton, Sugar, Orange, and Fiesta Bowls can go back to their previous tradition of inviting certain teams. With the playoffs out of the way before "Bowl Season," no major alterations in the student-athletes' schedules or travel will need to take place. The Bowl Alliance can have their cake and eat it too, and the fans will actually be satisfied because the system will have played itself out on the football field instead of by committee.

Outstanding response GoldrushND, those are new and well thought out ideas, i have not heard that approach mentioned before. I will have to read through it again but yes, i think i like it.

August 23, 2010  09:49 PM ET
QUOTE(#3):

Van,A playoff would add too many extra games to the already long football season. This would be a burden on student-athletes, who need to be in classes--not traveling around the country playing in some 16 team playoff. The NCAA is rightfully looking out for the interests of student-athletes, as is their charter. Also, a playoff would diminish the excitement of the regular season, where every game is a de facto elimination round.Finally, only the top N (4, 8, 16 or whatever) would get to participate in a meaningful post season. There are many hundreds of hard working student athletes at lesser schools who would be denied the reward of a post season game after a successful season.Oh carp. I can't keep that up. What tnerb said.

Yeah i know the negatives of it, maybe I'm being selfish but i believe the weekends in December should be packed full of exciting meaningful CFB match ups, start the merry month off with the meaningless bowl games (which i love) and finish with the best teams in a knock down drag out playoff with the NC game held on New Years day.

What a merry merry holiday season it would be indeed !

August 24, 2010  12:06 AM ET
QUOTE(#8):

No. I was being serious. I pay no attention to spelling, my own or anyone else's. (or grammar)

<--------------That's the teacher's job!



We all know why there'll never be a playoff. We all know that a great way to do it would be something similar to the basketball playoffs. Well, maybe that's just what I think.

 
August 24, 2010  12:06 AM ET
QUOTE(#16):

One of my favorite threads ever. Excellent work each week, and I know it ain't easy to do the amount of research that takes. I appreciate all the effort, guys. Good stuff.

I don't believe I am familiar with this thread.

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