NFL  > Indianapolis Colts  > Reality vs Bias
August 26, 2010, 08:16 PM
Why is it most fans cannot talk about the bad with the good? This problem is among many team's boards; mainly successful teams. Is bias a pre-requisite to being a "good" or "true" fan to said team? Does it mean you have lost all loyalty talking about a player/team's negatives? Furthermore, does it mean fans are automatically labeled trolls/haters just because they have something negative to say about a particular person?
Do we believe certain people are perfect? Immortal? Why is it certain fanbases get upset when something negative is said about said players or teams? Can it not be that some of these points are legit no matter who or how it's presented? We all can be adults here cant we and respect others for their opinions? The last comment was directed at those that like to take it personal at those with differing opinions (you know who you are). Most often, those types of people are the exact opposite of how they portray themselves when acting tough and taking shots at everything that thinks different.
When it comes to Peyton vs Brady; why is it that Brady does not get the credit he deserves? I understand being a fan of a different team. You dont have to like him but he has certainly earned respect around the league. It is silly when you go to New England's board and this board and it's pretty much identical with biased fans thinking what they got is the best since sliced bread.
My opinion is that Brady and Peyton are two great QB's......not the top 2 greatest QB's. I do think Brady is a little bit better than Peyton; speaking from a clutch standpoint. I am merely talking about their whole body of work since entering the league. I think Peyton has issues performing well under extreme pressure....consistently. Re-read the last sentance before you get upset.
Tom Brady = Joe Montana (of course Montana was the best)
Peyton Manning = Dan Marino/Brett Favre
I strongly believe the above structure is who these two QB's should be compared. Until Manning CONSISTENTLY performs well under extreme pressure, he will never be as good as Brady or Montana. I dont care what people think about Manning now, as far as I am concerned.....its popular vote....blind sheep that cant think for themselves.
August 26, 2010  10:22 PM ET

good points passion

August 26, 2010  10:22 PM ET
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LMAO.... im all effed up

that's the only way to be ;)

August 27, 2010  09:42 PM ET

Man I can't wait to retire, i'm only 21, but it sure does sound nice!

August 27, 2010  09:45 PM ET

TLTR (too long to read) but quick scan says good words overall. Blind faith fans are delerious.

August 28, 2010  12:51 AM ET

I think it really depends on who you speak to. Some fans(fanatics) just like to start trouble because of their zeal. I admit that Peyton is a quality quarterback. His body of work is impressive. And he will hold all the really important passing records when his career is over. Touchdowns, completions, attempts, and maybe MVPs. Brady on the other hand has had success like none other in the playoffs to start with. And on three separate occasions he has driven his team for the game winning or leading score. The exception being Super Bowl XLII. So they both have their value. I would take Brady not just because I'm a Pats fan but because of his courage under fire. But that is just me.

August 28, 2010  04:01 AM ET
QUOTE(#9):

I think it really depends on who you speak to. Some fans(fanatics) just like to start trouble because of their zeal. I admit that Peyton is a quality quarterback. His body of work is impressive. And he will hold all the really important passing records when his career is over. Touchdowns, completions, attempts, and maybe MVPs. Brady on the other hand has had success like none other in the playoffs to start with. And on three separate occasions he has driven his team for the game winning or leading score. The exception being Super Bowl XLII. So they both have their value. I would take Brady not just because I'm a Pats fan but because of his courage under fire. But that is just me.

I'd probably pick Brady if I were putting together a team simply because Brady has shown that he can win without a whole lot of talent around him if he has to. I'm not saying that Peyton couldn't, but since the Colts have always made sure they invested a whole lot of high draft picks to surround him with quality skill players, we can't really be sure of that. At the end of the day, it's pretty much a flip of the coin. Manning will end up with more individual records (although he won't be getting back that single season TD record that Brady took), but Brady will easily end up with more championships.

August 28, 2010  05:13 AM ET

Factors that a QB has no control over, namely the performance of defense and special teams, as well as the running game, (not to mention coaching and play calls) can have a significant impact on how difficult a Quarterback's job actually is.

I don't believe that the Indianapolis Colts as a team and the New England Patriots as a team have been 100% equal throughout this rivalry. So as much as everyone's loves to make the comparison both statistically and via ring-count, I don't believe you can ever truly expect two seemingly equal players to put up equal numbers.

IMO, throughout the majority of their careers Peyton Manning has had the better wide receivers and receiving tight ends (helps the stat column) and Tom Brady has had the better defense, coaching, and clutch field goal kicking (helps win games).

August 28, 2010  05:19 AM ET

I find it interesting that the 2007 Patriots, Tom Brady's most impressive statistical season, are the lone Brady-led Patriot team to lose a Super Bowl. The more you rely on your QB, the more difficult you make his job.

August 28, 2010  05:29 AM ET

Why is that people use 3500 words to make a simple point that could be expressed in 25?

August 28, 2010  08:33 AM ET
QUOTE(#13):

Why is that people use 3500 words to make a simple point that could be expressed in 25?

Diarrhea of the word processor?

August 28, 2010  10:46 AM ET
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Agreed. Brady didn't make those kicks.

Tom Brady gets this:



Peyton Manning gets this:

August 28, 2010  10:48 AM ET

I'm not trying to discredit Tom Brady. I think he's a great QB. It's just not a fair comparison.

August 28, 2010  11:02 AM ET
QUOTE(#18):

I'm not trying to discredit Tom Brady. I think he's a great QB. It's just not a fair comparison.

Comparisons are odious.

August 28, 2010  11:06 AM ET
QUOTE(#11):

Factors that a QB has no control over, namely the performance of defense and special teams, as well as the running game, (not to mention coaching and play calls) can have a significant impact on how difficult a Quarterback's job actually is.I don't believe that the Indianapolis Colts as a team and the New England Patriots as a team have been 100% equal throughout this rivalry. So as much as everyone's loves to make the comparison both statistically and via ring-count, I don't believe you can ever truly expect two seemingly equal players to put up equal numbers.IMO, throughout the majority of their careers Peyton Manning has had the better wide receivers and receiving tight ends (helps the stat column) and Tom Brady has had the better defense, coaching, and clutch field goal kicking (helps win games).

Great points. It is a team game. It also has fallen to Brady during the big game to come up with a few plays. And in every Super Bowl he has played in he has. Only 1 int in Super Bowl competition. We won't discuss Peyton in that way because we know how his last game ended. But you are correct in the teams being built differently. And the outcomes being different.

August 28, 2010  11:44 AM ET
QUOTE(#20):

Great points. It is a team game. It also has fallen to Brady during the big game to come up with a few plays. And in every Super Bowl he has played in he has. Only 1 int in Super Bowl competition. We won't discuss Peyton in that way because we know how his last game ended. But you are correct in the teams being built differently. And the outcomes being different.

Very true.

I think one of the most undermentioned stats is INT%. Tom Brady's 2.3% career interception percentage is currently tied for 5th best all-time. Just the simple act of not turning the ball over helps put/keep your team in position to succeed.

For comparison purposes:
#13 Joe Montana - 2.6%
#13 Drew Brees - 2.6%
#24 Peyton Manning - 2.8%

August 28, 2010  02:39 PM ET
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How so? How would we know who the greats are but for comparisons?

Because each individual is different. Each person has their own set of skills. You cannot compare guys who play in different styles really. Its not fair to the guys who play the games.

October 14, 2010  03:12 PM ET

Peyton Manning has better receivers and running backs...haha whatever Peyton Manning makes people better, he pulls people from the practice squad and MAKES them look good, Tom Brady has people like Randy Moss who can come down with any ball he is thrown!! Peyton throws the ball dead on, Brady tosses it and Moss grabs it like a good receivers should...nice illustration about the field goals as well.. You know what else makes Manning better, the fact that he doesn't have a real head coach, HE IS THE COACH, Brady ha Belichik...Manning has himself, during the off-season he is watching film and thinking up plays!! He is a PHENOM..Brady is a great quarterback, but 4 MVP trophys show who is the best...RINGS are a team effort, MVP is one guy.. 2 of Brady's superbowls were won BY THE KICKER...not him...

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