MMA  > General MMA  > Matt Hughes
August 31, 2010, 03:39 PM
Ok, so on the list of polemic fighters, here's one.

Loved by many, hated by the other half.

Some think he was one of the most dominant fighters, others call him an ordinary at best...
What are your thoughts???


And since I am starting this topics, I will give you my opinion first (hardly fair, isn't it? But I don't care!!!)

He is one of my favorite fighters.
GSP nuthuggers generally hate him, but that's just because he beat GSP. :)

I think he was an impressive fighter, and loved the fact i followed him on most of his fights. To this day i cannot watch his fights against GSP (the ones he lost) and it hurts me to see him fighting and know he cannot and will probably never hold the belt again.
But you can't really blame him. he's been winning his fights, and I think still have a place amongst the best. he is a deserving HoF'er and one of the most dominant fighters I've seen.

Sound off now, haters :)
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August 31, 2010  04:43 PM ET

Hate him, wish he would die.

He is arrogant, has an ignorant attitude towards his fans and competitors.

The biggest win of his career was his most recent win over Ricardo Almeida. He lost the Matt Serra fight, lost to BJ once and only was able to avenge the loss after BJ had dominated him and gassed.

He lost to Carlos Newton, then got his arm broken in the rematch.

His "record" title defenses were against guys like Joe Riggs and Gil Castillo.

August 31, 2010  04:54 PM ET
QUOTE(#1):

I was hoping that you were gonna get to a certain Russian fighter next...

patience, little grasshopper, patience :)

August 31, 2010  04:56 PM ET
QUOTE(#2):

Hate him, wish he would die.He is arrogant, has an ignorant attitude towards his fans and competitors.The biggest win of his career was his most recent win over Ricardo Almeida. He lost the Matt Serra fight, lost to BJ once and only was able to avenge the loss after BJ had dominated him and gassed. He lost to Carlos Newton, then got his arm broken in the rematch. His "record" title defenses were against guys like Joe Riggs and Gil Castillo.

how did he lose to Matt Serra? if anything, he was headbutted and survived (a thing that GSP couldn't against Serra) and still proceeded to control and win all 3 rounds! You hate him, but don't let it cloud the truth!

Against Newton they both went out. why do you say he lost? if anything, he gained back continence first, so he won.

August 31, 2010  08:03 PM ET
QUOTE(#4):

how did he lose to Matt Serra? if anything, he was headbutted and survived (a thing that GSP couldn't against Serra) and still proceeded to control and win all 3 rounds! You hate him, but don't let it cloud the truth!Against Newton they both went out. why do you say he lost? if anything, he gained back continence first, so he won.

He lost at least two rounds to Serra. He did no damage and couldn't pass guard in round three while constantly fending of omoplata combinations.

Headbutt or not, that is for the referee to judge and take away if needed, not at all for the judges to decide. To them it should be the same as if a huge overhand right knocked Hughes down.

Matt was out first, and therefore lost the fight.

August 31, 2010  08:48 PM ET

Hughes is the man. A country boy can survive..lol. I personally love the guy. He is number two on my list right behind Sir Anderson. Hughes ungawdly strong and ground and pounded you until the day is done. He will be in the Hall of Fame no doubt about it. Matt tells it like it is and I find it hilarious. He is a beast.

Love, Assassin.

August 31, 2010  08:48 PM ET
QUOTE(#2):

Hate him, wish he would die.He is arrogant, has an ignorant attitude towards his fans and competitors.The biggest win of his career was his most recent win over Ricardo Almeida. He lost the Matt Serra fight, lost to BJ once and only was able to avenge the loss after BJ had dominated him and gassed. He lost to Carlos Newton, then got his arm broken in the rematch. His "record" title defenses were against guys like Joe Riggs and Gil Castillo.

Did he steal your girl friend? If Matt Hughes were to punch you in the face you would have to fight off the urge to thank him.

August 31, 2010  09:19 PM ET
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Did he steal your girl friend? If Matt Hughes were to punch you in the face you would have to fight off the urge to thank him.

No, but I do find him to b a classic example of a guy who was way overhyped by Zuffa, and we were led to believe that he was better than he actually was.

Question, two other fighters had the same number of defenses as him, Randy and Chuck, can you guess who they were? Here is a hint, Dana hates them and oddly enough so do most MMA fans. And they did what they did against a higher level of competition.

The answer is (not Frankie Edgar:) Tito Ortiz and Frank Shamrock. When you think of them you don't think of a real legacy like you do Hughes.

I wonder why...

August 31, 2010  09:50 PM ET
QUOTE(#5):

He lost at least two rounds to Serra. He did no damage and couldn't pass guard in round three while constantly fending of omoplata combinations.Headbutt or not, that is for the referee to judge and take away if needed, not at all for the judges to decide. To them it should be the same as if a huge overhand right knocked Hughes down.Matt was out first, and therefore lost the fight.

You are making obviously blind/hater comments, C.

How do you know who was out first? If anything, he is the one who threw Newton to the ground in a HUGE slam. So if anything, it was his action who finnished the fight. I say he won. And he won the rematch, so you really have no legs to stand on.

And on Serra, I also disagree. He was the aggressor and he was the one in dominant position. Just because Serra attempted unsuccessfull submissions, how do you see Serra winning? That is ridiculous. he was dominated and you know it.

And yes, I agree that the referee didn't take notice of the headbutt, but you did and you should know why he was out on the first round. It is actually most impressive that he could regroup and proceed to win the fight.

August 31, 2010  09:54 PM ET
QUOTE(#8):

No, but I do find him to b a classic example of a guy who was way overhyped by Zuffa, and we were led to believe that he was better than he actually was.Question, two other fighters had the same number of defenses as him, Randy and Chuck, can you guess who they were? Here is a hint, Dana hates them and oddly enough so do most MMA fans. And they did what they did against a higher level of competition.The answer is (not Frankie Edgar:) Tito Ortiz and Frank Shamrock. When you think of them you don't think of a real legacy like you do Hughes. I wonder why...

Are you telling me that Hughes has no merrit of his own? I disagree.
His power & strengh is arguably as much as Lesnar has, without the benefit of Lesnar also being twice the size of anything he fights against.

Did you see his last fight? His choke is exactly something that leaves you in awe, and it is not just to anyone to choke someone like Ricardo Almeida.

September 1, 2010  08:12 AM ET

I'm leaning toward Collin on this one. look at his list of opponenets. Either smaller fighters of guys with suspect records. He lost his fight to Verissimo but some how got the judges nod.

He did impress the **** out of me during his second fight against Frank Trigg. That was legendary itself. Awesome slam after getting hit in the junk.

September 1, 2010  08:17 AM ET

Hughes was one of my favorite fighters, he reminded me alot of me. Country boy with a wrestling background and is way overly strong for his size. He's a tell it like it is kinda guy and usually does not hold back his feelings as well as not caring what anyone else thinks.

September 1, 2010  08:37 AM ET
QUOTE(#12):

I'm leaning toward Collin on this one. look at his list of opponenets. Either smaller fighters of guys with suspect records. He lost his fight to Verissimo but some how got the judges nod.

come on guys, you are not being fair here.
It is not like he pick and chose his opponents. He fought whoever was in line. And even the real challenges, he did fight them and beat them.

September 1, 2010  08:40 AM ET
QUOTE(#9):

You are making obviously blind/hater comments, C.How do you know who was out first? If anything, he is the one who threw Newton to the ground in a HUGE slam. So if anything, it was his action who finnished the fight. I say he won. And he won the rematch, so you really have no legs to stand on.And on Serra, I also disagree. He was the aggressor and he was the one in dominant position. Just because Serra attempted unsuccessfull submissions, how do you see Serra winning? That is ridiculous. he was dominated and you know it. And yes, I agree that the referee didn't take notice of the headbutt, but you did and you should know why he was out on the first round. It is actually most impressive that he could regroup and proceed to win the fight.

Your blind love for Matt and his "amazing strength" is sickening to me, and is blinding you from the truth of his few and far between accomplishments.

Tell me Roni, if I have you in a Triangle choke, I am squeezing my legs together and pulling your head down, and I lose consciousness. Won't I release all of those pressures?

Matt picked him up, but he did not slam him!! He picked him up, got choked out and lost consciousness. He fell on Newton, who was KO'd when he hit the floor. HE HAS TO BE OUT FIRST. Newtons method of separating Hughes from his senses requires consciousness, Matts does not.

Feel free to explain to me how that is possible, I am sure you think you are smarter than me and can cook something up.

So if anything, it was his action who finnished the fight.
So if I do something stupid that causes me to lose consciousness I am a winner? When Mark Kerr slammed Yamamoto and KO'd himself, was Kerr the rightful winner of that fight? After all, it was his actions that caused the fight to be finished.

So he won the rematch, what does that have to do with the bad officiating in the first fight? That is right, absolutely nothing. It means nothing, they are two different fights at two different times with two differently trained fighters.

As for the Serra fight: He did not win the first round for sure. He was rocked badly and nearly finished twice. He got a takedown but did absolutely no damage. Hughes did take the second round with his passing guard and taking the back briefly. But he did absolutely nothing to win in the third round, less getting a takedown and doing nothing but fighting out of Serra's submission attempts. No way, no how did he win that fight.

Tell me, is being in a omoplata and getting your shoulder wrenched a dominant position?

Again, it is not the judges place to decide why he was out in the first round!!

See above, he lost the fight and is therefore unimpressive.

September 1, 2010  08:43 AM ET
QUOTE(#14):

come on guys, you are not being fair here.It is not like he pick and chose his opponents. He fought whoever was in line. And even the real challenges, he did fight them and beat them.

He did fight whomever they gave him, but the division in the UFC sucked then, and the promoters were terrible at matchmaking.

Plus we all know that they had a proclivity back then to give their poster boys easy challengers.

September 1, 2010  08:43 AM ET

Roni I'm I don't care about that. the fact remains is his wins list is not over a who's who list. Yes he beat a young GSP & BJ Penn. Come on who else did he beat that really impressed you?

September 1, 2010  08:50 AM ET
QUOTE(#16):

He did fight whomever they gave him, but the division in the UFC sucked then, and the promoters were terrible at matchmaking.Plus we all know that they had a proclivity back then to give their poster boys easy challengers.

Just like Chuck Liddells run he didn't have many tough guys on his list.

September 1, 2010  09:21 AM ET

This time I have to agree with Roni and disagree with Clouis and tdbubba (sorry guys).

I have never been a Matt Hughes fan but the man, for me, is a deserving Hall of Famer and MMA legend.

I have seen too many fights with him where he just slams the confidence out of opponents.

Over 40 pro wins and a great/ dominant run as UFC Welterweight champion. There was a time when he seemed almost invincible.

Frank Trigg (twice), Sean Sherk (Sherk came in undefeated), BJ Penn, GSP, Carlos Newton (twice), Matt Serra, Ricardo Almeida, Hayato "Mach" Sakurai, Gil Castillo, Joe Riggs, Charuto, Joe Doerksen, Chris Lytle, Akihiro Gono, Dave Menne, etc.

For a long period he was the undisputed #1 Welterweight in the world. If that's not the stuff of MMA legends, then what is?

September 1, 2010  09:27 AM ET
QUOTE(#17):

Roni I'm I don't care about that. the fact remains is his wins list is not over a who's who list. Yes he beat a young GSP & BJ Penn. Come on who else did he beat that really impressed you?

Sean Sherk was a beast (an undefeated beast) when Matt beat him.

 
September 1, 2010  09:29 AM ET

And I also don't agree with the fact that the UFC had a weak Welterweight division back then.

Heavyweight, Light Heavyweight, Middleweight? Sure, those were weak.

But not the Welterweight division.

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