MMA  > General MMA  > Randy Couture
September 2, 2010, 10:42 AM
Captain America.

Some call him a legend, some question if he is even an elite fighter.

Want it or not, he became a symbol for MMA.

Good ? bad? Over-hyped? Sound off, FN!!!
September 2, 2010  11:14 AM ET

What can you say about Randy in MMA. He's a top competitor. I believe Randy could compete with any fighter. There is no fighter out there that could completly dominate him in a fight.

As for his Championships I believe he never had to work hard to get him self in place for a title fight. It was just kind givin to him. He would lose his belt in one weightclass drop to another and gain a title fight. Then he'd lose the belt in LHW and move back up to get a title fight.

I believe he is a HOFer and a legend but slightly overrated.

Is he an Elite Fighter? No and He became a symbol for UFC not MMA. Just like Chuck Liddell, Matt Hughes, and now GSP.

September 2, 2010  11:20 AM ET

I have always said he has been over hyped. Yes he was a good fighter but IMO never great. Who are these great opponents that Randy has defeated? Out of his 19 wins how many can be considered great opponents? He has been babied and catered to in the UFC. Getting title shots when he didn't deserve them. He avoided fighting and defending his title against Bas Ruten in his early days and was stripped of the tittle only to lose 20 his next 4 fights. Then returns to the UFC to an immediate title shot.... Proceeded to go defend the belt twice, then after losing 2 straight fights decides to move down to 205 and gets an immediate title shot... How does that happen??? Since 2001 Randy has never won more than 2 fights in a row "no I am not including the James Toney fight" and has lost 2 fights in a row numerous times....

So NO Randy is not great, has never been great fighter and has been the product of the Zuffa hype machine for far too long!!!!!!

September 2, 2010  11:22 AM ET
QUOTE(#2):

I have always said he has been over hyped. Yes he was a good fighter but IMO never great. Who are these great opponents that Randy has defeated? Out of his 19 wins how many can be considered great opponents? He has been babied and catered to in the UFC. Getting title shots when he didn't deserve them. He avoided fighting and defending his title against Bas Ruten in his early days and was stripped of the tittle only to lose 20 his next 4 fights. Then returns to the UFC to an immediate title shot.... Proceeded to go defend the belt twice, then after losing 2 straight fights decides to move down to 205 and gets an immediate title shot... How does that happen??? Since 2001 Randy has never won more than 2 fights in a row "no I am not including the James Toney fight" and has lost 2 fights in a row numerous times....So NO Randy is not great, has never been great fighter and has been the product of the Zuffa hype machine for far too long!!!!!!

Only to lose 2 of his next 4 fights.... Not 20....

September 2, 2010  11:31 AM ET

I think of Randy in a similar fashion to which I think of Hughes (uh-oh:)

I do think he is over rated, and I don't think that he was the best HW or LHW in the world at any time. But let me state that there is no more fierce a competitor in MMA that Randy. He is a master strategist and knows how to win fights. He has beaten many guys who were probably better fighters than him by having a better game plan and taking them out of their element.

For instance, he knew he couldn't box with Vitor, and that Vitor was a better JJ guy than he was. But he also knew that Vitor could be broken mentally. He clinched him, drove him into the fence and punished and frustrated Vitor with short hooks and uppercuts.

I do think that he is a Zuffa favorite. He gets more than favorable judges decisions. I don't see how he won the fight with Vera and whatever judges gave any round of the Nog fight to him need to be hung.

But overall he himself is an great competitor. I think that his awful unsuccessful stint in Japan proves that he isn't an all time great, but his wins over elite competition in the UFC prove that he is good enough to always hover near the top five and his performance will always make him a fan favorite.

September 2, 2010  12:12 PM ET
QUOTE(#4):

I think of Randy in a similar fashion to which I think of Hughes (uh-oh:)

Are you insane? Crazy? derranged lunatic?????

well, actually i agree with all you said :)

I think the "elevation" he got to something that transcends his MMA record is his win against Tim. it was like (Old) David against Goliath.

I also have to say that he is what he is more because of how he behaves outside the ring, how respectful and mindful of what he is and what he represents, and how he holds himself that basically simply rubbs off to everyone around him.

Well, obviously Zuffa is more than happy to make her own hero, and the fact he is a competitor who is a master of game-plans, a freak of nature to be able to be competitive, also humble enough to know he can't compete with Lesnar & Cia and realistic enough not to try to show off and stand with Toney.

he simply put is your consummate pro-fighter. he doesn't let his ego talk and thus IMO deserve mega props for being all that he is.

I agree he is over-hyped, but I don't mind one bit that he is revered as he is for accomplishments he didn't really do....

September 2, 2010  03:29 PM ET
QUOTE(#1):

What can you say about Randy in MMA. He's a top competitor. I believe Randy could compete with any fighter. There is no fighter out there that could completly dominate him in a fight. As for his Championships I believe he never had to work hard to get him self in place for a title fight. It was just kind givin to him. He would lose his belt in one weightclass drop to another and gain a title fight. Then he'd lose the belt in LHW and move back up to get a title fight. I believe he is a HOFer and a legend but slightly overrated. Is he an Elite Fighter? No and He became a symbol for UFC not MMA. Just like Chuck Liddell, Matt Hughes, and now GSP.

I have to disagree that GSP has become a symbol for the UFC.

I think GSP has far eclipsed any other MMA star in promotionships and sponsers to represnt the sport. His Gatorade ads make him sound like he could kill godzilla. He'll end up with his own sports drink like Tiger did. In America he is no doubt the most popular non-American fighter.

Don't say Silva.....blah etc! The guy never speaks English and is not hugely loved by American fans, myself included.

To more important issues, Couture is a UFC legend. He deserves to be in the HOF becuase he is a pioneer for the sport in Americas eyes. I.e. Captain America. AT 47 he is still never counted out in any fight. FOR GODSAKES the old man faught Lesnar and that was about as unfair a fight as you could get!

Couture isn't elite and his record doesn't match the hype but he will always be one of the greats.

September 2, 2010  03:31 PM ET
QUOTE(#6):

I have to disagree that GSP has become a symbol for the UFC.I think GSP has far eclipsed any other MMA star in promotionships and sponsers to represnt the sport. His Gatorade ads make him sound like he could kill godzilla. He'll end up with his own sports drink like Tiger did. In America he is no doubt the most popular non-American fighter.Don't say Silva.....blah etc! The guy never speaks English and is not hugely loved by American fans, myself included.To more important issues, Couture is a UFC legend. He deserves to be in the HOF becuase he is a pioneer for the sport in Americas eyes. I.e. Captain America. AT 47 he is still never counted out in any fight. FOR GODSAKES the old man faught Lesnar and that was about as unfair a fight as you could get!Couture isn't elite and his record doesn't match the hype but he will always be one of the greats.

hey now! Save GSP for when he is on the topic title!!! :)

September 2, 2010  03:36 PM ET
QUOTE(#7):

hey now! Save GSP for when he is on the topic title!!! :)

Ok, kewl, I'll save a lot for it.

September 2, 2010  03:49 PM ET
QUOTE(#8):

Ok, kewl, I'll save a lot for it.

hahahahaha I know you will have a lot to say about him!!! :)


Actually i am savoring and taking my time with them.
After all, there are a lot of them that I want to touch, and I want to give them proper respect & time they deserve so we can talk thoroughly each one...

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September 2, 2010  03:58 PM ET
QUOTE(#9):

hahahahaha I know you will have a lot to say about him!!! :)Actually i am savoring and taking my time with them. After all, there are a lot of them that I want to touch, and I want to give them proper respect & time they deserve so we can talk thoroughly each one...

You should only do 1 per week at the most. Maybe 1 every other week.

September 2, 2010  04:04 PM ET
QUOTE(#10):

I think that everyone above has this guy pretty well pegged. He's not an elite fighter; his record against elite fighters speaks for itself. He is one of the hardest workers and smartest fighters in the game. He always has a great attitude, and is a great ambassador for the sport. I can't imagine there being too many Randy haters out there.His fight against Big Nog was wildly entertaining. I really wish the Cro Cop fight would've happened.

I can say I am probably a Randy Hater. I just don't like how has been spoiled in the UFC. Yes he always has a good game plan going into a fight, but is that him or his coaches? I don't care for his fighting style, and I don't like how he wins fights. As a fighter if you are going to fight him you already know you are at a disadvantage going in. If the fight is close Randy will win the decision every time, just ask Vera and to me that fight wasn't close. You can also refer to the Nog fight. How any judge saw Randy winning that fight is beyond me.

He has been an average at best fighter during his career

September 2, 2010  04:20 PM ET
QUOTE(#12):

I can say I am probably a Randy Hater. I just don't like how has been spoiled in the UFC. Yes he always has a good game plan going into a fight, but is that him or his coaches? I don't care for his fighting style, and I don't like how he wins fights. As a fighter if you are going to fight him you already know you are at a disadvantage going in. If the fight is close Randy will win the decision every time, just ask Vera and to me that fight wasn't close. You can also refer to the Nog fight. How any judge saw Randy winning that fight is beyond me.He has been an average at best fighter during his career

well, while I agree with you, you can't really take this on Randy.
I mean, look at the (first) BJ & Frankie fight debate. Look at Machida & Rua.
So my point is mostly that bad decisions are everywhere. Just because they were pro-Randy that doesn't mean it's bias, just that bad decisions are everywhere... :)

September 2, 2010  04:23 PM ET
QUOTE(#11):

You should only do 1 per week at the most. Maybe 1 every other week.

I will aim for 1 per week.
I am trying to gauge depending on how much action we get on the thread.

but I am starting the threads on the fighters I feel there are discussions to be had :).
Well, not much for Randy, but I think we all needed a break from controversy :)

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September 2, 2010  05:33 PM ET
QUOTE:

I`m almost 47, and have trouble wrestling open my whiskey bottle somtimes.

That's funny!!!!

but let me give you a piece of wisdom: it only depends on how many bottles you wrestled with first.
If you will have multiple rounds, open them up before you start drinking (works for me) :)

September 2, 2010  05:34 PM ET
QUOTE:

when you do Tito Roni, I will be a hate the dude on that one, ha ha !

LOL, amen to that.
I think most will...

September 2, 2010  05:39 PM ET
QUOTE(#18):

LOL, amen to that.I think most will...

Not me.

September 2, 2010  05:42 PM ET
QUOTE(#13):

well, while I agree with you, you can't really take this on Randy.I mean, look at the (first) BJ & Frankie fight debate. Look at Machida & Rua.So my point is mostly that bad decisions are everywhere. Just because they were pro-Randy that doesn't mean it's bias, just that bad decisions are everywhere... :)

No you can't blame Randy at all for what the UFC has done for him. If I were him I would not turn down the fights he was hand given. But at the same time that is what made me start disliking him. I make the comparison to John Madden and Bret Favre. I never had anything against Favre until all you hear from Madden on how great he is..... You know what I am saying. Just the constant blabbing from UFC brass and announcers on how great he is and was. I will say it again he has been a good fighter and a great ambassador for MMA, but don't get confused, He has NEVER been a GREAT FIGHTER.

 
September 2, 2010  05:46 PM ET
QUOTE(#20):

I never had anything against Favre until all you hear from Madden on how great he is..... You know what I am saying

Completely agree with you!!!! LOL amazing. When you noted Favre, I automatically thought of Madden...

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