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Toney basically achieved his objective, plain and simple

Yeah. he's a chump. Nice 1 Jim, haha

I think you guys are oversimplifying things.
We all know that if Randy was another fighter who would want to stand & bang with Toney, he could have KO'd him.
The fact that Randy didn't take any chances and dived for the takedown is what made it seems like Toney didn't try.
But what did we expect? I mean isn't this exactly what we knew it would happen if Randy got to him? Yes, most MMA fighters would be able to free themselves, but some won't And Toney is not an MMA fighter.
So all in all, the outcome was expected, and I think it is unfair to say he stole or he didn't try.
After all, he did exactly what was expected of him.

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yikes ! my outrage comment is still here, I need a babysitter when I get that drunk, somebody should have slapped my hands when I reached for the keyboard last night.

LOL.
One thing I hate form this site is the lack of delete post button. At least for the person's own posts we should be allowed to delete them.

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jeez ! I will more than likely get banned again for the above comment. I have somebody stalking me, and reporting everything I say, I got a comment removed cause I said damn, and cause I was boozed up, I kinda went off with that crap out of anger. Bad move on my part, like most of my moves are, ..........lol!

Well you are living up to your Nick name there cuss word :)
I hope nobody cares it's not like you were calling anybody anything bad. Just being creative .... And graphic ...... Verrrrry graphic

So that is why he is called cussword jim.

Hey Shark fights is next week.

I say Toney is very smart. Its a shame that the UFC will pay 500 Grand to a side show and yet won't pay their own fighters anything.

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Originally posted 09:30 AM ET  09.07 by ScottC1010

I say Toney is very smart. Its a shame that the UFC will pay 500 Grand to a side show and yet won't pay their own fighters anything.

who wouldnt do it ,sounds like dana is willing to pay anyone to save his ****

i belive the quote from comment #6 is the reason cussword jim left us(not to be confused with
JIMJ

I just don't see how anyone can come on here and defend Dana ever again.......

It is a travesty that he is willing to pay some guy who has never fought an MMA fight 500G's, and yet has champions getting payed very little. And make no mistake about it when a guy gets paid 40K for a fight he only sees a little of that. Most camps charge a pretty penny to train.

heh. I have said it all along. IMO the curse of MMA is that UFC dominates the market, and thus duictate how much people should get paid.
it is also how other companies can compete, but at the end of the day, until the fighters have more power, a base salary above the "per fight" pay, MMA will keep suffering these things...


but in what pertains Toney, I disagree.
Dana doesn't pay for the performance. he paid Toney for the ammount of Boxing fans who tuned in just to watch this fight.
This was not about the money (well, it was for Toney); this is about garner more fans. And if Toney delivered paying customers, Dana's objective was successfull.

And don't think for a second that I dislike Toney's being paid.
He is doing for the money the same way Shogun, Spider, Lesnar and every other fighter are

I don't understand why this unfriendliness towards Toney. he was never supposed to beat Randy, unless Randy played stupid and stood up with him.

Looks like Jim got banned. A lot of old threads got bumped up.

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Originally posted 02:18 PM ET  09.07 by Roni

heh. I have said it all along. IMO the curse of MMA is that UFC dominates the market, and thus duictate how much people should get paid.it is also how other companies can compete, but at the end of the day, until the fighters have more power, a base salary above the "per fight" pay, MMA will keep suffering these things...but in what pertains Toney, I disagree.Dana doesn't pay for the performance. he paid Toney for the ammount of Boxing fans who tuned in just to watch this fight. This was not about the money (well, it was for Toney); this is about garner more fans. And if Toney delivered paying customers, Dana's objective was successfull. And don't think for a second that I dislike Toney's being paid. He is doing for the money the same way Shogun, Spider, Lesnar and every other fighter areI don't understand why this unfriendliness towards Toney. he was never supposed to beat Randy, unless Randy played stupid and stood up with him.

I don't blame toney for taking the money.

I do blame the UFC for paying him an outrageous fee. Toney would have done this for 100g's. Why so much. Toney had nothing to really offer at the table when the contract was negotiated. He is a has been in the boxing world let alone in the MMA world. If I was the fighters in the UFC I would start up a union and demand more money.

Yeah I couldn't believe how much Toney got paid to get out muscled by Randy but 500k is nothing compare what he would make boxing, so to say he stole is too much when he is use to making millions of dollars. Bringing Toney in was a good move by Dana, it opens up a whole new topics of debates and now fighters like Manny Pac is saying he is willing to give it a try. Its just tells you how far and big the sport is when top tier boxers are even mentioning giving mma a try..... Did any one hear Dana white on the radio talk show claiming boxing is going to disappear, talk about middle finger in the air while grabbing your nads. lol

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Originally posted 09:37 AM ET  09.08 by ScottC1010

I don't blame toney for taking the money.I do blame the UFC for paying him an outrageous fee. Toney would have done this for 100g's. Why so much. Toney had nothing to really offer at the table when the contract was negotiated. He is a has been in the boxing world let alone in the MMA world. If I was the fighters in the UFC I would start up a union and demand more money.

I agree with you on that!
This should happen if they ever want to get the sport better.

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Originally posted 11:27 AM ET  09.05 by Roni

I think you guys are oversimplifying things.We all know that if Randy was another fighter who would want to stand & bang with Toney, he could have KO'd him.The fact that Randy didn't take any chances and dived for the takedown is what made it seems like Toney didn't try.But what did we expect? I mean isn't this exactly what we knew it would happen if Randy got to him? Yes, most MMA fighters would be able to free themselves, but some won't And Toney is not an MMA fighter.So all in all, the outcome was expected, and I think it is unfair to say he stole or he didn't try.After all, he did exactly what was expected of him.

I would agree if not for the fact that Toney was weighing 20 more pounds than in his last pro boxing bout.

And he was already overweight and out of shape in that boxing fight.

I would agree... if Toney hadn't come into his fight against Couture with 20 more pounds on him than when he last fought a pro boxing bout.

And he was already overweight in his last boxing fight.

Wrote again thinking it didn't post.... bah! :D