NCAAF  > General NCAAF  > Reggie Bush To Be Stripped Of 2005 Heisman Trophy???Or Not?
September 8, 2010, 02:11 AM
I wrote an article on Reggie Bush and the Heisman situation.

http://www.sportshaze.com/reggie-bush-to-be-stripped-of-2 005-heisman-trophy-or-not/

Should Bush be stripped of the Heisman yes or no?
September 8, 2010  05:23 AM ET

Your article seems a little anti-USC, though it is well-written.

Bush's "dynamic performances" were "all for naught" because USC lost to TX? So being 1 of the top 2 or 3 teams for many years is 'all for naught' if you don't beat #1?


Anyway,
I've heard both sides to this story, and I can agree with both.
- what Bush accomplished on the field is inarguable
- we need to set an example for future athletes


I don't care either way. It was 5 years ago. The Heisman is an opinion-based award.

Who cares?

September 8, 2010  06:20 AM ET

Here's a better question.
Don't reporters have anything better to talk about this week?

Didn't 120 teams just start their season?
Why is all the talk centered around roughly 5 teams?


All day on radio/tv/ESPN/CBS I've heard nothing but 'the Bush issue', and whether Boise State is deserving enough to play Alabama, Florida, or Texas for the NC.

Why is that a foregone conclusion?

I even heard 1 moron suggest that a 2-loss SEC team should get the nod for the NCG over an undefeated Boise State.

What 2 top teams does 1 SEC team play this year? Alabama - maybe, if UF can get it together.

But if Alabama loses to PSU, and PSU only has 1 other loss, say to to tOSU, who also has a tough schedule ...

Did these 'reporters' watch the Miami (of Ohio) game? Has Alabama or Texas won 10+ games yet? Where is the SEC depth that they suggest?

Doesn't BSU still have 11 games to play?

Doesn't Penn State play #1 Alabama, #2 Ohio State, #9 Iowa?

Do Ohio State, Oregon, TCU, Nebraska, Miami, Wisconsin, (and others) just not exist?



You should write an article on that.

September 8, 2010  08:31 AM ET

I know that it has become a popularity award....and that his athletic accomplishments did not change just because they got "paid"...but I think that one of the parameters is an "eligible" player? Or can just anyone get it (OK...don't answer that one - already know what you guys think)

And I also agree that there are a lot more interesting things to write about....such as when is the next Locust Invasion going to happen?

September 13, 2010  08:19 PM ET

Reggie Bush won't be stripped of the Heisman. If the trust tries to do it, past Heisman winners will come forward and talk about their dealings with agents while playing CFB. The whole story is bunk. The only evidence they have is hearsay from a convicted felon who never was and never has been an agent, with no job who says he borrowed $300,000 from his mom and brother-in-law while he was in jail to be given to Reggie Bush for airfare and house payments. Anyone that read the NCAA report would have to be brain-dead not to know the story is bogus.

The NCAA will reverse the sanctions against USC like they reversed the ruling on Jeremiah Masoli. Hell it only took them 1 day to change their mind on Masoli, what exactly changed in 24 hours?

September 13, 2010  08:35 PM ET

What changed? How about cooperating parties.

Take it from him and give it to VY.

September 13, 2010  09:02 PM ET

The money in his pocket didnt help him on the field. Give the kids some cash and stop all this BS.

September 13, 2010  09:11 PM ET
QUOTE(#5):

What changed? How about cooperating parties.Take it from him and give it to VY.

"What changed" was a reference to the Masoli situation where the NCAA over-turned their own ruling 1 day later.

Why would you take the Heisman from a guy who got the most 1st place votes in Heisman history and give it to a guy who had literally 10% the votes Reggie Bush got? Bush was a better player than Vince Young in 2005, the voting bears it out, it wasn't even close. Bush has a Superbowl Trophy already and what more needs to be proven. Taking away his Heisman only embarrasses the Heisman Trust. Go back and give Ty Detmer's Heisman to the person who deserved it that season, Raghib Ishmael. Only racism kept it away from him.

September 13, 2010  09:16 PM ET

As someone who hates USC and would LOVE to see Bush stripped, it really doesn't solve anything. Does he deserve it..well, hsi talent is still his talent.
Does he deserve to be stripped? Sure, because he was ineligible...

It's a slippery slope.

September 13, 2010  09:24 PM ET
QUOTE(#8):

As someone who hates USC and would LOVE to see Bush stripped, it really doesn't solve anything. Does he deserve it..well, hsi talent is still his talent.Does he deserve to be stripped? Sure, because he was ineligible...It's a slippery slope.

Actually it isn't a slippery slope....the parameters are for "an eligible" player. Bush has been ruled ineligible due to his agents dealings, so he should be stripped. Should it be given to VY? No...he didn't earn it. Should be left vacant, much like the National Title. If some past Heisman winners decide to come forward about their agent dealings, then they should also be stripped.

We have GOT to do something to get the integrity back into CFB....need to toughen up and give out some tough love.

September 13, 2010  10:00 PM ET
QUOTE(#9):

Actually it isn't a slippery slope....the parameters are for "an eligible" player. Bush has been ruled ineligible due to his agents dealings, so he should be stripped. Should it be given to VY? No...he didn't earn it. Should be left vacant, much like the National Title. If some past Heisman winners decide to come forward about their agent dealings, then they should also be stripped.We have GOT to do something to get the integrity back into CFB....need to toughen up and give out some tough love.

This is true. I mean, rules is rules....right?

September 13, 2010  10:58 PM ET
QUOTE(#9):

Actually it isn't a slippery slope....the parameters are for "an eligible" player. Bush has been ruled ineligible due to his agents dealings, so he should be stripped. Should it be given to VY? No...he didn't earn it. Should be left vacant, much like the National Title. If some past Heisman winners decide to come forward about their agent dealings, then they should also be stripped.We have GOT to do something to get the integrity back into CFB....need to toughen up and give out some tough love.

The problem is that this award is not NCAA sanctioned and thus has nothing to do with the integrity of CFB as a whole. Its just a bunch of old dudes voting in who they like, nothing more.

If you really want integrity (meaning honesty in finances) in the game then scholarship athletes should simply be allowed to publicly get loans against future NFL earnings by publically traded banking institutions. Everything would be out in the open and players that are good enough to generate jersey sales and other money for their schools would be able to get something out of it. And I am pretty sure banks would be able to vet out who was a good risk or not.

September 14, 2010  07:13 PM ET

He just gave it back.....classy.

September 14, 2010  07:57 PM ET
QUOTE(#12):

He just gave it back.....classy.

Yep...and it should remain vacated....

September 15, 2010  10:56 AM ET
QUOTE(#4):

Reggie Bush won't be stripped of the Heisman. If the trust tries to do it, past Heisman winners will come forward and talk about their dealings with agents while playing CFB. The whole story is bunk. The only evidence they have is hearsay from a convicted felon who never was and never has been an agent, with no job who says he borrowed $300,000 from his mom and brother-in-law while he was in jail to be given to Reggie Bush for airfare and house payments. Anyone that read the NCAA report would have to be brain-dead not to know the story is bogus.The NCAA will reverse the sanctions against USC like they reversed the ruling on Jeremiah Masoli. Hell it only took them 1 day to change their mind on Masoli, what exactly changed in 24 hours?

hahahah.. Nice myopia. AWESOME.

If this all just BS then why did Reggie not cooperate? He kept SAYING he was going to provide the evidence to exonerate himself. He just never DID. He is the Mark Geragos of the NCAA. All he has to do is have his mom show the payments they made on that phat house in SD county. Only they can't. Because there WERE no payments.

The NCAA will reverse the sanctions? hahahah. Let's bet Reggie's mom's old AND new house on that one. And then we can check back during the holiday season when Lane... your boy... will be delivering XMAS wreaths instead of getting ready to bslap some Big 10 team in Pasadena.

September 15, 2010  11:10 AM ET

Bush could care less about the Heisman. He was and still is about nothing but green. He could care less that USC received severe sanctions that affect players today.
Classy - not quite. He only did it beause he knew it was going to be taken from him.

 
September 15, 2010  11:29 AM ET
QUOTE(#15):

Bush could care less about the Heisman. He was and still is about nothing but green. He could care less that USC received severe sanctions that affect players today. Classy - not quite. He only did it beause he knew it was going to be taken from him.

I couldn't agree more with what you said.

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