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Originally posted 06:47 PM ET  09.08 by The []__[]

I consider the ACC as a very good and competitive conference..A lot of people on here continue to claim that the ACC is at the bottom 2 of the BCS Conferences with the Big East. I just don't see how a conference consisting of Va Tech, Miami, Georgia Tech UNC(played tough against LSU down a bunch of starters) and even Clemson was a drive away from the Orange Bowl last year...I see the ACC ahead of the PAC 10 and Big East...anybody else?

Not ahead of the Pac-10, and here's why:

Obviously, I'm biased, I'm a Stanford fan, but in all seriousness, I don't see how you can say the ACC is better than the Pac-10.

The Pac-10 has 9 teams (out of 10 of course) that are bowl caliber teams. If you were to seperate these teams, all 9 would makes bowl games (unless they were plugged into the SEC, then only 4 or 5 would make bowls).

THe thing with the Pac-10 that people are constantly underrating is the depth. While the Pac-10 really only has one Nat'l Title contender in Oregon, every team in the conference but WSU, is a very good team that as I said earlier, deserve to make bowl games. But as a result of the depth of the conference, you see upsets on the weekly.

I could give examples all day, just from last season of teams in the Pac-10 knocking each other off. As a result of this, Pac-10 teams struggle to make it into the top 10, and usually only finish the year with 4 top 25 teams. This by no means is a testament to lack of skill in the conference, but to the depth it has.

In the SEC and Big 12 in particular, during conference play, there is rarely ever an upset. When Texas is ranked 3rd in the country and Oklahoma is ranked 8th, Texas is winning that game 9 times out of 10. When Florida is ranked 2nd in the country and Georgia is ranked 15th, Florida's winning that game. Where as in the Pac-10, USC could be ranked 1st in the country and Oregon State could be 30th, and Oregon State will pull of an upset. That's just one example, but watch this season, I'd almost gurantee every week in conference play, you'll see a Pac-10 team upset another.

Also, if your going to say the ACC is better than the Pac-10, you better be dam* sure you also mention that they're better than the Big 12, the most top heavy, lopsided conference in football.

Big 12 has 3 good teams this year, everyone else, will struggle to make a bowl or be a bottom feeder.

And here's another thing, more closely related to the ACC.

In my personal opinion, I don't view the ACC as being as good as the SEC, Big 10, or Pac 10 because the ACC can't win big games. Perfect example, Monday Night. VT, playing basically in their backyard with 80,000 fans rooting for them, couldn't beat Boise State. I mean, even last year, in an off year for USC, their worst season since 2001, they beat Ohio State IN THE HORSESHOE! Now granted Oregon did go on to lose to OSU in the Rose Bowl, my point remains, SEC, Big 10, and Pac 10 are the best conferences in the country because they win the big games. I think the ACC has a lot of talent, but they don't pull it out when it matters.

QUOTE:

Originally posted 06:47 PM ET  09.08 by The []__[]

I consider the ACC as a very good and competitive conference..A lot of people on here continue to claim that the ACC is at the bottom 2 of the BCS Conferences with the Big East. I just don't see how a conference consisting of Va Tech, Miami, Georgia Tech UNC(played tough against LSU down a bunch of starters) and even Clemson was a drive away from the Orange Bowl last year...I see the ACC ahead of the PAC 10 and Big East...anybody else?

You don't see it as a bottom 2, but bottom 3 is OK?

We can all accept that the Big East is the least. But in my view, it is pretty close to the PAC 10. They are very comparable to i think it's just a matter of subjective opinion on which is "better" right now.

The ACC needs an eltite team that finishes in the top 5, like FSU and Miami used to do. Like Ohio State, Texas/Oklahoma winner, USC (until recently), Florida, and Alabama often do.

That's what will earn the national recognition. Sending 9-3 conference champs to the BCS won't.

QUOTE(#4):

Originally posted 07:23 PM ET  09.08 by Grue

You don't see it as a bottom 2, but bottom 3 is OK?We can all accept that the Big East is the least. But in my view, it is pretty close to the PAC 10. They are very comparable to i think it's just a matter of subjective opinion on which is "better" right now.The ACC needs an eltite team that finishes in the top 5, like FSU and Miami used to do. Like Ohio State, Texas/Oklahoma winner, USC (until recently), Florida, and Alabama often do.That's what will earn the national recognition. Sending 9-3 conference champs to the BCS won't.

Once again, I agree with both of you, the ACC and Pac-10 can be considered very equal conferences. But please, if your going to say the ACC is better than the Pac-10, for the love of God, include the Big 12 in their as well, the most overrated conference in CFB.

I personally feel the ACC is better than the Big 12 so that right there ranks them 4th among BCS conferences.

QUOTE(#5):

Originally posted 07:31 PM ET  09.08 by OM: 2010 Champs

Once again, I agree with both of you, the ACC and Pac-10 can be considered very equal conferences. But please, if your going to say the ACC is better than the Pac-10, for the love of God, include the Big 12 in their as well, the most overrated conference in CFB.I personally feel the ACC is better than the Big 12 so that right there ranks them 4th among BCS conferences.

I agree with your comment. I belive that the ACC is on the rise this year and would never proclaim us to be better than any other conference. I hope to be able to discuss it at the end of the year though.

Will have to see, but if FSU and Miami lose this weekend what power program is left undefeated by a good OOC opponent? GT? UNC and VT have already lost.

IMHO the ACC has a bunch of good teams and no top 10 ones. Oregon is a top 10 team and USC may be as well. I do agree that the ACC is much better as a whole than the BE and is better in the 4-10 spots than pretty much anyone else though.

On second glance I guess it depends on how you look at it. Depending on your criteria the ACC could be from #2 all the way to #5. Again, just my opinion here but I don't think there is much conference difference from #2 to #5.

Essentialy you have the SEC, the other main BCS conferences, the BE and MWC, and then the other non-AQ conferences in 4 main and distinct quality tiers.

All real good points i'm just trying to see where everyone else stands amd to the comment of me being ok with ACC as bottom 3 thats not at all what i meant. Simply put there's the SEC an Big Ten (two best) then your mid road BCS conferences and then the Big East. I just dont consider the ACC to be on the same level of the Big East

But once again all awesome arguments and good points.

QUOTE(#9):

Originally posted 07:54 PM ET  09.08 by The []__[]

All real good points i'm just trying to see where everyone else stands amd to the comment of me being ok with ACC as bottom 3 thats not at all what i meant. Simply put there's the SEC an Big Ten (two best) then your mid road BCS conferences and then the Big East. I just dont consider the ACC to be on the same level of the Big EastBut once again all awesome arguments and good points.

Even at that, I don't see the Big 10 as being the clear cut number 2 conference.

They've got OSU, Penn State, Iowa, and Wisconsin, but after that, where does the talent go?

I think it's all a matter of opinion:

Do you like the top heavy conferences? (Big 10, Big 12)

Or do you like a deep conference with only 1 or 2 awesome teams? (Pac-10)

I'd say the ACC ranks somewhere between top heavy and deep.

QUOTE(#10):

Originally posted 07:59 PM ET  09.08 by OM: 2010 Champs

They've got OSU, Penn State, Iowa, and Wisconsin, but after that, where does the talent go?

Teams like Michigan, Michigan State, Northwestern, and Purdue are all cyclcal right now. The mid strength will depend on how well the hold up this year.

If Michigan rebounds and Nebraska joins, I may say the Big Ten passes the SEC.

But right now 2nd or 3rd is fine with the Big XII. The'they're a hair above PAC-10 and ACC. Too close to call after week 1.

QUOTE(#10):

Originally posted 07:59 PM ET  09.08 by OM: 2010 Champs

Even at that, I don't see the Big 10 as being the clear cut number 2 conference.They've got OSU, Penn State, Iowa, and Wisconsin, but after that, where does the talent go?I think it's all a matter of opinion:Do you like the top heavy conferences? (Big 10, Big 12)Or do you like a deep conference with only 1 or 2 awesome teams? (Pac-10)I'd say the ACC ranks somewhere between top heavy and deep.

There not the clear cut. Nothing is clear cut as you said its opinions. I'm curious if you were to rate all the BCS conferences how woyld your list look?
Mine
1. SEC
2. Big 10
3. Big 12 (You talk about bowl contenders the Big 12 has plenty, Texas OSU Oklahoma Texas Tech, Texas A & M, KSU who beat UCLA...Nebraska, Colorado and Mizz are bowl contenders)
4. ACC
5. Pac 10
6. Big East

thats how i see it i'm sure you will disagree largely

QUOTE(#8):

Originally posted 07:53 PM ET  09.08 by Armpit

On second glance I guess it depends on how you look at it. Depending on your criteria the ACC could be from #2 all the way to #5. Again, just my opinion here but I don't think there is much conference difference from #2 to #5. Essentialy you have the SEC, the other main BCS conferences, the BE and MWC, and then the other non-AQ conferences in 4 main and distinct quality tiers.

Week 1, SEC Miss st loses to Jacksonville st , LSU struggles against a depleted NC team , Gators struggle against Miami of Ohio. ACC goes 10-1 in week 1. I think it's a little early to be rating conferences. Right know if I lived in a glass house I would'nt be throwing rocks.

QUOTE(#12):

Originally posted 08:15 PM ET  09.08 by The []__[]

There not the clear cut. Nothing is clear cut as you said its opinions. I'm curious if you were to rate all the BCS conferences how woyld your list look?Mine1. SEC2. Big 103. Big 12 (You talk about bowl contenders the Big 12 has plenty, Texas OSU Oklahoma Texas Tech, Texas A & M, KSU who beat UCLA...Nebraska, Colorado and Mizz are bowl contenders)4. ACC5. Pac 10 6. Big Eastthats how i see it i'm sure you will disagree largely

Ya see, I just don't think the Big 12 is better than the Pac-10.

I mean seriously, if you want to say the ACC is better than the Pac-10, by all means, go and ahead and put them there, I understand that.

But the Big 12? Have you taken a peak at their non-conference schedule? The Big 12 gets away with murder every year with the weak non conference schedule they play. All this does is boost their win totals, and thus, their rankings and bowl chances.

Until the Big 12 can win playing a non conference schedule like the Pac 10, SEC, or ACC, I don't wanna hear a peep about them being better than the Pac-10 (even if K-State did beat UCLA, plus Cal will make up for that this week with a W over Colorado)

Colorado won't make a bowl, Missouri will, but only because they play a joke of a non conference schedule.

The way I see it, Texas, Oklahoma, and Texas A&M will all make bowls for sure. Nebraska probably will too, but they aren't anywhere near as good as last season. Ok St prolly will, but similarly to Mizz, it will be due to a bad non conference schedule (and don't even think about pointing to the Washington State game)

QUOTE(#13):

Originally posted 08:16 PM ET  09.08 by Mr MoJo Risen

Week 1, SEC Miss st loses to Jacksonville st , LSU struggles against a depleted NC team , Gators struggle against Miami of Ohio. ACC goes 10-1 in week 1. I think it's a little early to be rating conferences. Right know if I lived in a glass house I would'nt be throwing rocks.

Dude...get your freaking facts straight!!!!...Ole Piss lost to Jacksonville st...not State. If you are going to argue, at least be accurate. Geez

If you lived in a glass house I wouldn't be passing by....

QUOTE(#13):

Originally posted 08:16 PM ET  09.08 by Mr MoJo Risen

Week 1, SEC Miss st loses to Jacksonville st , LSU struggles against a depleted NC team , Gators struggle against Miami of Ohio. ACC goes 10-1 in week 1. I think it's a little early to be rating conferences. Right know if I lived in a glass house I would'nt be throwing rocks.

Do you really want to compare week one results? Just looked at the ACC and they were 10-2. Of those 10 victories, 8 were against D1-AA teams. Maryland (Navy) and Clemson (NTSU) were the only ones that beat D1 schools.

Just saying.... :)

QUOTE(#7):

Originally posted 07:47 PM ET  09.08 by Armpit

IMHO the ACC has a bunch of good teams and no top 10 ones.

This is a highly charged topic that can tend to get emotions up.

Armpit makes a point about how the average person rates conferences. They tend to look at the top two or three teams in a conference and rate the conference based upon these. I don't agree with that method but it is what most people use. Armpit pointed out, rightly so, that the ACC loses respect by not having a national powerhouse in recent years. This has also been the case for the Big East which has been a much more respectable conference than they have been given credit for...but perhaps not this year though it is just week one.

QUOTE(#13):

Originally posted 08:16 PM ET  09.08 by Mr MoJo Risen

Week 1, SEC Miss st loses to Jacksonville st , LSU struggles against a depleted NC team , Gators struggle against Miami of Ohio. ACC goes 10-1 in week 1. I think it's a little early to be rating conferences. Right know if I lived in a glass house I would'nt be throwing rocks.

10-2 unless VT has been thrown out. You are correct about it being early but recent history is not on the side of a dominant team coming out of the ACC in 2010.

QUOTE(#18):

Originally posted 09:38 PM ET  09.08 by JPax

This is a highly charged topic that can tend to get emotions up. Armpit makes a point about how the average person rates conferences. They tend to look at the top two or three teams in a conference and rate the conference based upon these. I don't agree with that method but it is what most people use. Armpit pointed out, rightly so, that the ACC loses respect by not having a national powerhouse in recent years. This has also been the case for the Big East which has been a much more respectable conference than they have been given credit for...but perhaps not this year though it is just week one.

One thing the BE did have going for it until last year though was BCS success. WVU was very successful during the PW years and Louisville did OK too. The ACC has, what, 4 BCS wins total in its history?