NCAAF  > General NCAAF  > Why is USC...
September 27, 2010, 10:09 AM
... still being ranked by the AP, given their status for the next two seasons? (The coaches aren't ranking them.) It REALLY does not help the public perception of USC as the do-no-wrong media darlings. It's almost as though the AP is saying, "This is a pretty good team; it's a real shame that it doesn't matter..."

Please note that I'm not blaming USC for this or slamming the team in any way-- they've looked good the last few weeks and obviously still have boatloads of talent. But ranking them just doesn't make sense to me if the purpose of ranking is to determine post-season eligibility.

Thoughts, anyone?
September 27, 2010  10:13 AM ET

USC has looked good? What?

They beat Virginia Tech by 3 points and could gave up 600 yards to Hawaii. And winning big against Washington St. is like getting to beat up your little brother.

September 27, 2010  10:20 AM ET

That should have been they looked good given the circumstances. Sorry.

But that's not the point. Why are they still being ranked by the AP?

September 27, 2010  10:49 AM ET
QUOTE(#2):

That should have been they looked good given the circumstances. Sorry.But that's not the point. Why are they still being ranked by the AP?

To help Boise state

September 27, 2010  10:54 AM ET
QUOTE(#2):

Why are they still being ranked by the AP?

Because the AP is no longer affiliated in any way with the BCS process. The AP doesn't sanction athletes or determine who is eligible, it's not their prerogative. The AP simply ranks the best team on the field. Further, should USC run the table, it is entirely possible the AP could grant USC their national title. Not likely, but possible.

The AP is not the body that sanctioned USC, and provided USC is not breaking any rules this year, the AP is well with their right to rank them.

September 27, 2010  12:17 PM ET

But isn't it irresponsible to include them when that could further skew the (already FUBARed) BCS process?

September 27, 2010  12:22 PM ET
QUOTE(#1):

USC has looked good? What? They beat Virginia Tech by 3 points and could gave up 600 yards to Hawaii. And winning big against Washington St. is like getting to beat up your little brother.

They beat Virginia not Va Tech. Va Tech has been losing enough, lets not add anymore that the ones on the field. ;)

September 27, 2010  12:23 PM ET
QUOTE(#4):

Because the AP is no longer affiliated in any way with the BCS process. The AP doesn't sanction athletes or determine who is eligible, it's not their prerogative. The AP simply ranks the best team on the field. Further, should USC run the table, it is entirely possible the AP could grant USC their national title.

Not likely, but possible.The AP is not the body that sanctioned USC, and provided USC is not breaking any rules this year, the AP is well with their right to rank them.

Yes.

And this is not a new thing for the AP. In 1994, Auburn ended up 8th in the AP while serving a two year bowl ban.

The Coaches poll stopped including teams on major probation after the 1973 Sooners went 10-0-1 and were ranked #2 in the coaches poll. The 1974 Sooners actually won the AP poll but did not appear in the Coaches (UPI) poll.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1974_college_football_season

September 27, 2010  12:31 PM ET
QUOTE(#5):

But isn't it irresponsible to include them when that could further skew the (already FUBARed) BCS process?

I don't think so, since the AP poll has no bearing on the BCS. The BCS components are:

Coaches (USA today) poll, the Harris Poll and five computer polls.

The AP poll is a holdover from the pre-BCS era, when many organizations (i.e., the New York Times) had their own polls and awards for CFB.

If we wanted, we could conduct a FN Table poll and publish the results--it would be every bit as 'valid' as the AP poll (or the BCS for that matter).

September 27, 2010  12:46 PM ET
QUOTE(#8):

I don't think so, since the AP poll has no bearing on the BCS. The BCS components are:Coaches (USA today) poll, the Harris Poll and five computer polls.The AP poll is a holdover from the pre-BCS era, when many organizations (i.e., the New York Times) had their own polls and awards for CFB. If we wanted, we could conduct a FN Table poll and publish the results--it would be every bit as 'valid' as the AP poll (or the BCS for that matter).

Given the irreverance we have all shown at times about/against certain teams...that would be a very interesting poll. Miss State might even make it some weeks....

September 27, 2010  01:42 PM ET
QUOTE(#9):

Given the irreverance we have all shown at times about/against certain teams...that would be a very interesting poll. Miss State might even make it some weeks....

I definitely know who would be #1 in the poll: Ohio State. There are more Buckeyes on the Boards than I can count without taking off my shoes.

Last year, CNNSI.com did a fan survey about college football teams and conferences. True to form, Ohio State had the most fans respond.

September 27, 2010  02:32 PM ET
QUOTE(#10):

I definitely know who would be #1 in the poll: Ohio State. There are more Buckeyes on the Boards than I can count without taking off my shoes.Last year, CNNSI.com did a fan survey about college football teams and conferences. True to form, Ohio State had the most fans respond.

Yes but with every fan base, you have to take the bad with the good, and unfortunately for Ohio State there are a bunch of bad fans, that give the good ones a soiled name...sad but true!

September 27, 2010  02:50 PM ET

"But ranking them just doesn't make sense to me if the purpose of ranking is to determine post-season eligibility."

There is the answer to your question. The AP has no standing on post-season or in-season eligibility. Its only purpose is to get the opinions of a lot of sportswriters as to who would beat whom if teams were to go head to head.

September 27, 2010  03:03 PM ET

We have totally sucked especially on D & in our secondary.....we r only lucky that we haven't played a decent team yet....look for our record to change soon!!!

That said.....I believe any team playing the season should be ranked based purely on their on-field performances week in & week out!!!!!!!!!! Regardless of sanctions!! I think it even enforces the severity of the sanctions if u have a team that is playing well enough to go to a bowl game or even the NC game & due to the sanctions they can't !!!!!

The BCS is a pile of @@@@@. If they actually sanctioned every school this hard for looking the other way while a player was getting $ help off the field....well nearly every team would be declared ineligable & their would be 0 bowl games!!!!

I am not condoning USC I just truly believe that the punishment was way too harsh on USC & way toooo lienient on Reggie Bush!!!!!!!! That said it's college football season....after the off season from h@@@......let me enjoy it & I'd like to thank the AP poll for ranking based on performances!!!!!

September 27, 2010  03:45 PM ET
QUOTE(#13):

If they actually sanctioned every school this hard for looking the other way while a player was getting $ help off the field....well nearly every team would be declared ineligable & their would be 0 bowl games!!!!

I am not condoning USC I just truly believe that the punishment was way too harsh on USC & way toooo lienient on Reggie Bush!!!!!!!!

I think the NCAA does go after every school where there is money changing hands. They don't have undercover detectives though; if they did, you may be right that many players might take the dough if given the opportunity. Then again, maybe many players would do the right thing and run to their compliance officer. Most likely, it would depend more on the character of the individual player than on the school or conference.

IMO, the fact that USC did not self report and (to be polite) was not aggressive in helping the NCAA get to the bottom of the allegations was why they were hit so hard with sanctions. The investigation did not have to drag on for years; the names of everyone involved were known since the yahoo articles in 2005.

Bush (and others) did everything in their power to avoid a candid accounting of what happened. Whether Lloyd Lake is a reliable witness and whether McNair knew about Bush's situation is not really the point: USC essentially told the NCAA "you can't prove anything." They seemed to forget that the NCAA is both prosecutor and judge, so there is no concept of reasonable doubt like in an actual legal case.

Even with all of that, I would say that USC's punishment (2 year bowl ban and 30 lost scholarships) is on the high end of punishments for similar misdeeds, but not unprecedented.

And yes, you are right: we stink on defense. Once conference play begins in earnest, I doubt USC's ranking will be an issue.

September 27, 2010  03:52 PM ET
QUOTE(#8):

I don't think so, since the AP poll has no bearing on the BCS. The BCS components are:Coaches (USA today) poll, the Harris Poll and five computer polls.The AP poll is a holdover from the pre-BCS era, when many organizations (i.e., the New York Times) had their own polls and awards for CFB. If we wanted, we could conduct a FN Table poll and publish the results--it would be every bit as 'valid' as the AP poll (or the BCS for that matter).

we do that already, at times, don't we?

September 27, 2010  04:26 PM ET
QUOTE(#15):

we do that already, at times, don't we?

When do we not?

September 27, 2010  07:33 PM ET

The polls are just for fun and controversy anyway. What does it mean to be ranked #7 and then lose to a pathetic last place Pac-10 team at home? While USC is not eligible to go to a bowl this year, their predicament will usher in a new era of teams with losing records playing in Bowls. Plus, USC is still eligible to win the Real National Championship in the AP poll, and at 4-0 they're part of an elite group, only 18 other undefeated schools in D-1A going into October.

September 27, 2010  08:55 PM ET
QUOTE(#16):

When do we not?

When we don't.

September 27, 2010  09:37 PM ET

The Associated Press consists of a bunch of journalists, and journalists are experts at absolutely nothing.

The BCS doesn't use the AP in it's formula therefore the AP is just hot air, like Sandy.

 
September 27, 2010  09:44 PM ET
QUOTE(#19):

The Associated Press consists of a bunch of journalists, and journalists are experts at absolutely nothing.The BCS doesn't use the AP in it's formula therefore the AP is just hot air, like Sandy.

So the BCS is BS and the AP is smell from the BS. Got it.

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