MMA  > General MMA  > Bas Rutten Believes Ubereem Is The No. 1 Ranked Heavyweight
October 4, 2010, 01:27 AM
October 4, 2010  06:01 AM ET

The best guy Overeem has beaten in the last 2 years (K-1 doesn't count) is a toss-up between Fujita, Brett Rogers, Goodridge and Mark Hunt.

How on earth can he possibly be ranked #1?

Ridiculous.

October 4, 2010  08:55 AM ET
QUOTE(#1):

The best guy Overeem has beaten in the last 2 years (K-1 doesn't count) is a toss-up between Fujita, Brett Rogers, Goodridge and Mark Hunt.How on earth can he possibly be ranked #1?Ridiculous.

i think he has the potential. If he can beat Fedor, and then Werdum, hes got a great case. but I agree with hyped here. Bas, should take back what he said and use the wrd potential. He prob wouldnt get as much heat...

October 4, 2010  09:11 AM ET
QUOTE(#1):

The best guy Overeem has beaten in the last 2 years (K-1 doesn't count) is a toss-up between Fujita, Brett Rogers, Goodridge and Mark Hunt.How on earth can he possibly be ranked #1?Ridiculous.

THat is only in MMA.

YOu can't discount his recent accomplishments in K-1 and the fact that he had better wins in the last two years.

Who do you think wins a fight between him and Lesnar?

October 4, 2010  09:22 AM ET

I like Bas' reasoning too:

I agree, I don't like the idea of having a number 1 HW in the world who covers up and runs away when he gets hit. Reminds me too much of Tito. He doesn't have the skills yet that a number 1 ranked fighter should have. He also doesn't have enough high profile wins yet to claim that his wrestling and "heart" are enough to overcome that and he should be regarded as number 1 without the skills.

October 4, 2010  09:52 AM ET
QUOTE(#4):

I like Bas' reasoning too:I agree, I don't like the idea of having a number 1 HW in the world who covers up and runs away when he gets hit. Reminds me too much of Tito. He doesn't have the skills yet that a number 1 ranked fighter should have. He also doesn't have enough high profile wins yet to claim that his wrestling and "heart" are enough to overcome that and he should be regarded as number 1 without the skills.

due to mainstream MMA, and people not knowing of Fedors accomplishments, or anything outside of ufc for that matter, people make LEZBO #1. Sorry Jimbo. And Overeem would POUND Brock. His striking is very close to being the best in mma (K-1 helped)

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October 4, 2010  05:42 PM ET
QUOTE(#3):

THat is only in MMA.YOu can't discount his recent accomplishments in K-1 and the fact that he had better wins in the last two years.Who do you think wins a fight between him and Lesnar?

While I partially agree with you, fact remains that K-1 fights do not count towards a fighter's ranking in MMA, so that is technically irrelevant for our discussion.

Furthermore, Werdum was ranked lower than Fedor before they fought. Same happens with Overeem and Lesnar (who might never fight each other).

October 4, 2010  05:42 PM ET
QUOTE(#2):

i think he has the potential. If he can beat Fedor, and then Werdum, hes got a great case. but I agree with hyped here. Bas, should take back what he said and use the wrd potential. He prob wouldnt get as much heat...

Potential? Totally!

The wins to back a #1 rank right now? Nope.

October 4, 2010  05:49 PM ET
QUOTE(#4):

I like Bas' reasoning too:I agree, I don't like the idea of having a number 1 HW in the world who covers up and runs away when he gets hit. Reminds me too much of Tito. He doesn't have the skills yet that a number 1 ranked fighter should have. He also doesn't have enough high profile wins yet to claim that his wrestling and "heart" are enough to overcome that and he should be regarded as number 1 without the skills.

In the last 2 years nobody in the HW division has the level of wins that Brock has. It is sad, but that's the way it is.

This is a very weak division and I obviously believe that Overeem can beat Lesnar (plus I can't stand Lesnar).

But right now, as it is, there is no way Overeem can be ranked higher in MMA than Lesnar.

Brock's 3 last wins are over Shane Carwin, Frank Mir and Randy Couture.

Overeem's 3 last wins are over Brett Rogers, Fujita and "Colossus" Thompson.

Completely different level of competition.

Overeem isn't a worse fighter than Lesnar. But, rankings-wise, right now, it is madness to put Overeem over Lesnar.

And I hate Lesnar, let me underline that again.

October 4, 2010  05:49 PM ET

And I'll add this: if Overeem beats the likes of Werdum and Fedor, then he gets the #1 spot. No doubts.

October 4, 2010  05:51 PM ET

But you don't get awarded a rank because you're capable of doing this and that, because of your potential.

You get on top of a ranking because you beat the best guys out there and also because you did it impressively.

Werdum has beaten, in his last 3 fights, Fedor, Bigfoot and "Mak" Kyle. Those are better wins that Overeem's.

October 5, 2010  08:45 AM ET

ahhh...Hyped i see you are still at it..have you upgraded your proccessors? lol

October 5, 2010  09:10 AM ET
QUOTE(#12):

ahhh...Hyped i see you are still at it..have you upgraded your proccessors? lol

Bought more RAM memory :)

October 5, 2010  09:13 AM ET

In the last two years Overeem is 7-0-1.

In that same span Lesnar is 4-1.

Lesnars wins are over an aging 205'er in Couture, an old unmotivated Heath Herring, a guy who is 2-2 in his last four in Mir, and a heavyweight who literally gassed himself by beating Lesnar senseless in an absolutely dominant 10-8 (maybe even 10-7) first round. He has been hurt in all of these fights except the HH fight, and nearly finished in two of them.

Can you say the same of Alistair's fights over the last two years?

Being active once every six months and getting wins of a suspect caliber and still having a 5-1 record in your career don't constitute a number 1 heavyweight.

You must also take into account his past accomplishments. Has Overeem slowed down since the Kharitonov, Belfort (2x), and Vovchanchyn wins? No, he has not. Both physically and skill wise his game has drastically improved, so those wins cannot be discounted. And you cannot deny that all of these wins mean more than wins over guys like Couture and a flash in the pan like Carwin.

October 5, 2010  10:04 AM ET
QUOTE(#14):

In the last two years Overeem is 7-0-1. In that same span Lesnar is 4-1.Lesnars wins are over an aging 205'er in Couture, an old unmotivated Heath Herring, a guy who is 2-2 in his last four in Mir, and a heavyweight who literally gassed himself by beating Lesnar senseless in an absolutely dominant 10-8 (maybe even 10-7) first round. He has been hurt in all of these fights except the HH fight, and nearly finished in two of them. Can you say the same of Alistair's fights over the last two years? Being active once every six months and getting wins of a suspect caliber and still having a 5-1 record in your career don't constitute a number 1 heavyweight.You must also take into account his past accomplishments. Has Overeem slowed down since the Kharitonov, Belfort (2x), and Vovchanchyn wins? No, he has not. Both physically and skill wise his game has drastically improved, so those wins cannot be discounted. And you cannot deny that all of these wins mean more than wins over guys like Couture and a flash in the pan like Carwin.

So why are Carwin, Mir and Couture ranked?

Because Rogers pops in and out of rankings (and he's just a brawler), "Colossus" Thompson is a terrible fighter (15 wins - 14 losses; a win over Herring is more impressive than a win over Colossus) and Fujita has lost 4 of his last 5 fights.

Before that Overeem beat Tony Sylvester. Yay. And Gary Goodridge.


"a guy who is 2-2 in his last four in Mir"

But was still able to outstrike Cro Cop and Minotauro, while submitting Kongo.


"He has been hurt in all of these fights except the HH fight, and nearly finished in two of them."

Absolutely. And do you know why? Because, right now, and for the last 2 years, Lesnar has been facing better competition than Overeem.


Like I said, everything changes if Overeem beats a Fedor, Werdum or Barnett. But not until then.

October 5, 2010  10:08 AM ET

Also, with their recent signings, I do believe Strikeforce's HW division as being slightly superior to the UFC's HW division.

But while Lesnar has fought Carwin and is going to fight Cain next, so does Overeem need to face SF's top contenders.

October 5, 2010  10:11 AM ET

There is a reason why Sherdog, an MMA website that doesn't exactly see eye to eye with the UFC, has Brock ranked #1 and Overeem ranked #8.

Five Ounces of Pain has Brock #1 and Overeem #7.

#7 and #8 ?!? That's not even #2 or #3!


And, of course, Bas Rutten is far from impartial when talking about his Dutch colleague.

October 5, 2010  10:13 AM ET
QUOTE(#15):

So why are Carwin, Mir and Couture ranked?

Because they are the flavor of the day. They have strung some decent wins together and now they find themselves ranked, for whatever period of time that may be.

October 5, 2010  10:16 AM ET

Why not rank Barnett ahead of Lesnar then?

Wins over Rizzo, Monson and Yoshida are just as impressive as Mir, Herring and Couture.

Also, I guess you must have had Sokodjou ranked as the number 1 205'er in the world after the Lil' Nog and Arona wins right? They were both top five and he crushed them convincingly.

 
October 5, 2010  10:17 AM ET
QUOTE(#17):

There is a reason why Sherdog, an MMA website that doesn't exactly see eye to eye with the UFC, has Brock ranked #1 and Overeem ranked #8.Five Ounces of Pain has Brock #1 and Overeem #7.#7 and #8 ?!? That's not even #2 or #3!And, of course, Bas Rutten is far from impartial when talking about his Dutch colleague.

Bas knows more about the fight game than any of us here.

And he has rolled with Alistair many times, so I am willing to digress to him on this issue.

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