NFL  > Cincinnati Bengals  > Marvin And Brat May Be On Their Way Out...Or So Bengal Fans Hope
October 23, 2010, 04:00 PM
While Dallas and Minnesota are flopping in even more spectacular fashion, the Bengals are not far behind in terms of not living up to expectations. It all started innocently enough, with a blowout loss in New England where the Bengals second half effort to keep it somewhat respectable seemed to suggest that perhaps all the hype had distracted the boys a bit and caused them to start the game slowly....Surely, they'll be fine, won't they?

The defense pounded Baltimore and Carolina into submission in the next two games, both wins. The offense however, did all it could to lose, playing worse than any reasonable person is prone to expect of a division champion that added weapons like Terrell Owens and impressive rookies Jermaine Gresham and Jordan Shipley. Carson Palmer was playing like Brady Quinn and the offensive line's performance was mindful of the 2008 unit whose ineptitude is infamous among Cincinnati fans. Still though, 2-1 was the record and one of those wins was against the popular favorite to win the AFC North, the Ravens and with the Browns and Buccaneers coming up, 4-1 going into the bye was but two weeks away.

If only it were that simple. The Browns whipped the Bengals with Peyton Hillis punishing defenders like some sort of white Steven Jackson and then Raheem Morris made the reigning coach of the year look like he was the one coaching the young rebuilding team by stealing one from the Bengals in their own stadium. At 2-3, with losses to the Bucs and Browns and a daunting schedule the rest of the way, the Bengals prospects are fading faster than Obama's re-election potential.....

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October 23, 2010  04:20 PM ET

I think where the Bengals got lost this year was in not staying patient with the running game. Looking a Ced Ben's stats he's got 3.9 per carry but only 406 yards this year - or 81 yards per game. (Compared to 96 yards per game last year).

I realize that with TO and CJ on the same team there's a temptation to want to step on the gas a bit soon but it pays to be patient.

I'm beginning to wonder about Carson, though. He was hotter than a Puerto Rican credit card a few years ago, but has cooled off of the last few years. He's missing wide open WR's. I understand missing a guy that's 20 yards downfield because you thought he was going to break it in when he broke it outside, but when it's a reciever in the flat.....no excuse for that.

Marvin looks like deer in the headlights when it comes to coaching. He was a brilliant DC in Baltimore but he's a bad HC. He can't make adjustments on the fly and he's not a leader.

October 23, 2010  05:21 PM ET
QUOTE(#1):

I think where the Bengals got lost this year was in not staying patient with the running game. Looking a Ced Ben's stats he's got 3.9 per carry but only 406 yards this year - or 81 yards per game. (Compared to 96 yards per game last year). I realize that with TO and CJ on the same team there's a temptation to want to step on the gas a bit soon but it pays to be patient. I'm beginning to wonder about Carson, though. He was hotter than a Puerto Rican credit card a few years ago, but has cooled off of the last few years. He's missing wide open WR's. I understand missing a guy that's 20 yards downfield because you thought he was going to break it in when he broke it outside, but when it's a reciever in the flat.....no excuse for that. Marvin looks like deer in the headlights when it comes to coaching. He was a brilliant DC in Baltimore but he's a bad HC. He can't make adjustments on the fly and he's not a leader.

Can't argue with any of your points Rayne, nice summation.

October 23, 2010  05:23 PM ET
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puerto Rican credit card??????????????? OUCH!

I could have gone all Trekkie on you and said, "Hotter than a warp core breach".

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October 23, 2010  07:25 PM ET
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Hey GSH 1,Good Luck with the Bears!!,I'll be rooting for them too.

Good luck to your Bengals as well Eazy.

October 25, 2010  05:57 PM ET

Marvin isn't a "great" coach, but he's BY FAR the best one that has had to suffer under Mike Brown's iron fist of idiocy.
I can't understand why a team that drafted Shipley thought they needed to bring in T.O. Shipley would have been great to fill the shoes Housh left (but I think Shipley is actually better than T.J.) I haven't heard of any ego clashes between T.O. and Chad, but I'm sure they are going to happen, to the team's detriment.
As for Palmer-- I've been saying it for years-- he is too highly paid, and if he really wants the team to succeed, he would ask for a drastic pay cut so that the team could afford to build a winner around him. (Not likely.)

October 25, 2010  05:58 PM ET

I forgot to add-- "Stupid Bengals".
<grumble, grumble>

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October 26, 2010  11:17 AM ET
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Ok,Mike Brown is a tight fisted ****,But,I don't think Mike is the Problem,Marv's been here for 8 yearsand now He lower than 500%[in other words?,He sucks,is not and HC,nor a leader,want too blame Anyone?Blame Mike Brown for"Keeping Him" all this Time,I would have gotten rid of Him 3yrs ago,As far as Carson?'He retires or goes to another Team,either Way his **** should be on the bench,right now[I would have put Jordan in in the 2nd QTR with the Falcons]],as far as those "super Star" WR's?,TO is gone and so should Chad Johnson[trade Him for a Draftpick also.]And Yeah Shipley and Gresham is our future,We need to draft a QB 1st next year.

I do think Mike Brown is more of a problem than you think-- he has had a big hand in a lot of the personnel blunders that the Bengals have had since he took over as owner/GM. Not just the mistakes in the coaches he has hired, but mistakes in demanding that the Bengals waste draft picks on terrible choices (Akili Smith being the classic example, of course).
I still don't agree that Marvin sucks, but I think you're right that it's his time to go. He has become accustomed to losing-- I think it shows in his press conferences.
As for Carson, you're right that he will probably retire or go to another team. There's no way he would accept the kind of pay cut I think he deserves that might enable the Bengals to build a team. I don't think Jordan is a solution at all, though.
As for the two "star" receivers-- total agreement-- get rid of T.O. to anybody, and trade Chad Ochocinco while he still seems valuable to some other team.
I do like Shipley, though-- I think he was the best pick that the Bengals made this past draft.

October 26, 2010  11:21 AM ET
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Mz Rayne,We agree,Marv ain't a good HC,He's been there longer than any other HC[including the Old Man,Paul Brown.]also got a chitty


record hovering around 500% win and loss career







..,And he needs too go along with Offensive Coach Bratowski,and the Bengals have too look too the future and I don't see Carson Palmer in it, [along with TO and Chad.]and Yeah,We got Jermain Gresham and J.Shipley as the Next new targets,add in Brian Leonard as FB-TE also.The whole Team is in conflict with priorities that have never came close too expectations so far,and I don't see it changing anytime soon,as Marv,Brat and Carson and the twins[chad and TO being the main problem.]imo,And Yer right,Carson,Marv and Brat are NOT LEADERS,never will be again,Carson's problems started and ended with that Knee injury and has never recovered from it,never will either,He's just taking up space right now and too Stupid too know it or won't admit it,anyways,there should be a "House Cleaning"After this Year cuz,the Problems is obvious too anyone that watch's the Team every Week.[Losing],and yeah Ole marv should be going to Buffalo next Year ifn they have next Year and take Brat and Carson,TO and Chad with them.We need too Draft a QB on Our 1st pick.[it's that bad]Also,The offense has Had more drive killing penalties than most of the Other teams combined"Holding Number 74/77 10 yrds 3rd down",or "encroachment Number 63 5 yrds still 1st down",So they've done it all too themselves...I can forgive mistakes but not willful stupidity.

How is this possible?

October 26, 2010  11:23 AM ET

If you win all your games that is 100%. Just how do you win 500%? How can you be 5 times better than 100%?
Please I would like to know.

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October 26, 2010  05:43 PM ET
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It's gonna be a short season for the Bengals..

It feels like a LOOOONG season, though!
You stick with your team through the good and the bad, but we Bengals fans sure have to put up with a lot of the bad.
(Last season was mostly fun, though, but I hated seeing them "phone it in" at the end.)

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November 25, 2010  11:52 PM ET

Get rid of Chris Palmer.She stinks. Passer like a girl.How does she have a job. I wouldn't let her pass the water bottle. NOw I know why the first name is female.What garbage!!!!!!!!!

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