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November 1, 2010, 12:30 PM
What is the definition of a franchise QB?

Is it Super Bowl victories, Playoff Appearances or Pro Bowls?
Would it be leadership, Professionalism, statistics or wins & losses?

When you have a franchise QB, you feel that you are always in the game, because he has talent to make that special play.

How many teams have a Franchise QB?

IMO their are 14 franchise QB's in the NFL.

This list is in no specific order

Eli Manning
Peyton Manning
Aaron Rodgers
Matthew Stafford
Drew Brees
Tom Brady
Phillip Rivers
Matt Schaub
Matt Ryan
Brett Favre
Ben Rothelisburger
Joe Flacco
Sam Bradford
Jay Cutler


There were two I did not list as franchise QB's, and that is Tony Romo & Carson Palmer...IMO Palmer has lost so much velocity on the ball after the elbow injury, that he has slipped back into the middle of the pack...and Tony Romo had played behind the best O-line in football, and now that the line is average, it appears to have made Romo look average.

Who are your franchise QB's in the NFL.
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November 1, 2010  01:22 PM ET

I think a franchise QB is someone who has been with the team for a few years, has success, and proves leadership. Tom Brady, Peyton Manning, and Drew Brees are the standouts from your list. Ben Roethlisberger I still consider a Franchise QB because the offense was way better with him. Sure they won 3 out of the four games he was suspended, but those were defensive wins.

November 1, 2010  01:27 PM ET

I agree with you placing Cutler on the franchise QB list, even though he isnt performing well (for a number of reasons) at the moment. I think a franchise QB is any QB that a given team's long term future is tied to. For better or for worse the Bear's future is tied to Jay Cutler. The same can be said for Mark Sanchez (one QB you didnt list). For better or for worse, the Jets future is tied to Mark Sanchez. I would suggest that Josh Freeman (another QB you didnt list) is another franchise QB, simply because his future is bright and the Bucs are not looking to trade or upgrade beyond what he offers. The Broncos on the other hand have had a great statistical season from Kyle Orton. Orton is top three in just about every QB stat...but is not a franchise QB. Why? Because the Broncos are not tying their future to him. After 2011 he will be playing somewhere else. The moment Tim Tebow steps onto the field as a starter, for better or for worse he will be a franchise QB.

November 1, 2010  01:31 PM ET

I had a feeling you wouldn't have Romo on your list, BG........But, you have the right to that opinion, and that's cool.

I think Romo could be a leader and a franchise QB, but with the RIGHT coaches. Parcells didn't stay long enough, then Wade (actually 2 Wades....Wade Wilson, the QB coach). A team takes on their coach's personality, and as such, you can see WADE written all over the Cowboys. There's no fight or fire in them, and it's being getting extinguished a little every year, and it's all but out now.

November 1, 2010  01:38 PM ET
QUOTE:

What is the definition of a franchise QB?Is it Super Bowl victories, Playoff Appearances or Pro Bowls?Would it be leadership, Professionalism, statistics or wins & losses?When you have a franchise QB, you feel that you are always in the game, because he has talent to make that special play.How many teams have a Franchise QB?IMO their are 14 franchise QB's in the NFL.This list is in no specific orderEli ManningPeyton ManningAaron RodgersMatthew StaffordDrew BreesTom BradyPhillip RiversMatt SchaubMatt RyanBrett FavreBen RothelisburgerJoe FlaccoSam BradfordJay CutlerThere were two I did not list as franchise QB's, and that is Tony Romo & Carson Palmer...IMO Palmer has lost so much velocity on the ball after the elbow injury, that he has slipped back into the middle of the pack...and Tony Romo had played behind the best O-line in football, and now that the line is average, it appears to have made Romo look average.Who are your franchise QB's in the NFL.

There was a quote describing Roger Staubach (I believe it was made by Brad Sham).

"The men responded to him in a way that I think defines the QB position. He made them better by the force of his will.".

That, to me, is a franchise QB.

That applies to Roger...it also applied to Bradshaw, Big Ben, Montana, Elway, Marino, Farve, Aikman, and all the other greats.

When these men stepped into the huddle, they made you believe.

Even if you didn't believe in yourself, you believed in them.

When they said, "OK, we have time for one last drive. We're going to take it down the field and win it right now"

You believed.

Doint that year in and year out makes one a franchise QB.

November 1, 2010  01:55 PM ET
QUOTE(#7):

There was a quote describing Roger Staubach (I believe it was made by Brad Sham). "The men responded to him in a way that I think defines the QB position. He made them better by the force of his will.". That, to me, is a franchise QB. That applies to Roger...it also applied to Bradshaw, Big Ben, Montana, Elway, Marino, Farve, Aikman, and all the other greats. When these men stepped into the huddle, they made you believe. Even if you didn't believe in yourself, you believed in them. When they said, "OK, we have time for one last drive. We're going to take it down the field and win it right now"You believed. Doint that year in and year out makes one a franchise QB.

Ok...I agree with you. However, I think you are describing an elite QB vs a Franchise QB.

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November 1, 2010  04:52 PM ET
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Bull, that is why I used the word appears with Romo, I think Romo is very good...but everyone of my list are young studs or winners, and for some reason Romo just did not fit into my list...but then again my list is not the standard, and on another persons list, if they included him as a franchise QB, I could understand. I did not include Donovan McNabb either, and that could be a over look on me too, but he is playing like garbage...Against the Lions, McNabb was under assault almost as bad as Cutler was against the Giants, something like 7 sacks, 11 tackes behind the line of scrimmage, a defensive score...the front four of the Lions also had about 20 hits on the QB's...that qualifies as an assault. What make it so crazy, is that they do not blitz very often.Back to franchise QB, I think a offensive coordinator can screw up QB easier that the Head Coach, you need to can Jason Garrett...and get a old school smash mouth offensive coordinator...and Romo might be able to elevate himself to a Franchise QB...because what is a Franchise QB best friend............A running game.

Understand that......:-)
Get him a decent QB coach and HC, and I believe Romo would do better, but time is running out, and Camp Cupcake is not conducive for this team going anywhere, other than down. It's showing this year.
I mentioned this on another thread that if GB wins this week, then Jerry should can Wade and Garrett, and see if he can coach, because he's said all along that 500 coaches could coach his team, and he's a wannabe. Guess we'll see.
My dadgum birthday is Sunday too, and I bet the Cowboys ruin it.
~~sigh~~

November 1, 2010  05:06 PM ET

I'd drop Cutler and Schaub from your list, but otherwise I'd agree. And we might be seeing one or two others develop. Josh Freeman is starting to show some signs.

November 3, 2010  01:22 AM ET

BGD: Nice post; gets away from the mindless "my team is great and yours sucks..." mentality.

Your list of 14 QBs includes both statistical phenoms, like Phillip Rivers and Peyton Manning, as well as potentially great QBs, like Aaron Rodgers and Matt Schaub. The arguments range from winning a SB to "being a leader." If you think about it, there are 32 franchise QBs in the league right now....at least until somebody else replaces them.

To be a Franchise QB, a player has to make an indelible impact upon the organization he plays for, changing the long-term outlook of that teams fortunes. Just winning a SB doesn't do it, for instance, the Raven's 2000 SB winning QB was?

IMHO, there are a handful of QBs that can be considered "franchise." They are, in no particular order:

-Peyton Manning; what can you say, 1st ballot HOF er
-Brett Favre; ONLY for his career with the Packers....last 3 years are just pathetic
-Drew Brees; was a franchise QB TWICE ( once with SD, now with NO )
-Ben Roethlisberger; Steelers were going NOWHERE before he arrived. 2 SBs help also...
-Tom Brady; no doubt a quality QB, still ?s about how good he would be w/o spygate
-Donovan McNabb; ONLY for his Eagles career ( see Favre )

A bunch of other QBs fall short of "franchise" status:

-Eli Manning; played game of his career against NE for that SB upset, but what else?
-Jay Cutler; talented, but wasn't a leader in Denver and still remains to be seen in Chicago
-Joe Flacco; still learning his craft and still relies on his defense to win too many games
-Aaron Rodgers; has had glimpses of greatness, wait and see
-Matt Stafford; way too soon to be anointing him the Lions saviour
-Phillip Rivers; has played on perhaps the MOST TALENTED NFL team the past 7 yrs =no SB?
-Matt Schaub; hasn't made the leap to playing great when it matters...playoffs
-Matt Ryan; see above
-Sam Bradford; hasn't even played a FULL season
-Mark Sanchez; still to early to say if he will develop into a difference-maker for J-E-T-
-Matt Cassell; has potential, but like alot of the young QBs, hasn't played meaningful games
-Chad Henne; wait and see

There are other QBs that a one time looked like possible franchise players, but never developed into the answer for their teams:

-Carson Palmer; too many injuries, too few playoff wins
-Michael Vick; at one time, the most exciting NFL player
-Tony Romo; never stepped up to make the BIG PLAYS and lead the 'Boys ( like Staubach did )

Well, there you go......just my opinion.

November 3, 2010  06:51 AM ET

In defense of Romo, and I'm not trying to be a homer here, but if Parcells would have remained the HC, I think Romo MIGHT have stepped up and became a "franchise" QB. That's just my opinion. But, after Parcells left, the Cowboys got Wade, and no one is accountable for their play, actions, or anything. You can see the results now.
If the 'Boys get a fiery head coach next year, we'll see what happens. But, as long as they have the current coaching staff, then no, Romo.....or anyone else for that matter.....won't amount to a hill of beans.

November 3, 2010  08:41 AM ET
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i thought a ''franchise'' QB was someone who is mostly recognized as the face/captain of their team = peyon/colts , b-ben/steelers , brady/pats , palmer/cincy , ryan/atlanta .

Delhomme/Wallace/McCoy/Browns?

November 3, 2010  10:14 AM ET
QUOTE(#14):

BGD: Nice post; gets away from the mindless "my team is great and yours sucks..." mentality.Your list of 14 QBs includes both statistical phenoms, like Phillip Rivers and Peyton Manning, as well as potentially great QBs, like Aaron Rodgers and Matt Schaub. The arguments range from winning a SB to "being a leader." If you think about it, there are 32 franchise QBs in the league right now....at least until somebody else replaces them.To be a Franchise QB, a player has to make an indelible impact upon the organization he plays for, changing the long-term outlook of that teams fortunes. Just winning a SB doesn't do it, for instance, the Raven's 2000 SB winning QB was?IMHO, there are a handful of QBs that can be considered "franchise." They are, in no particular order:-Peyton Manning; what can you say, 1st ballot HOF er-Brett Favre; ONLY for his career with the Packers....last 3 years are just pathetic-Drew Brees; was a franchise QB TWICE ( once with SD, now with NO )-Ben Roethlisberger; Steelers were going NOWHERE before he arrived. 2 SBs help also...-Tom Brady; no doubt a quality QB, still ?s about how good he would be w/o spygate -Donovan McNabb; ONLY for his Eagles career ( see Favre )A bunch of other QBs fall short of "franchise" status:-Eli Manning; played game of his career against NE for that SB upset, but what else?-Jay Cutler; talented, but wasn't a leader in Denver and still remains to be seen in Chicago-Joe Flacco; still learning his craft and still relies on his defense to win too many games -Aaron Rodgers; has had glimpses of greatness, wait and see-Matt Stafford; way too soon to be anointing him the Lions saviour -Phillip Rivers; has played on perhaps the MOST TALENTED NFL team the past 7 yrs =no SB?-Matt Schaub; hasn't made the leap to playing great when it matters...playoffs-Matt Ryan; see above-Sam Bradford; hasn't even played a FULL season-Mark Sanchez; still to early to say if he will develop into a difference-maker for J-E-T--Matt Cassell; has potential, but like alot of the young QBs, hasn't played meaningful games-Chad Henne; wait and seeThere are other QBs that a one time looked like possible franchise players, but never developed into the answer for their teams:-Carson Palmer; too many injuries, too few playoff wins-Michael Vick; at one time, the most exciting NFL player-Tony Romo; never stepped up to make the BIG PLAYS and lead the 'Boys ( like Staubach did )Well, there you go......just my opinion.

I agree, Rivers is somewhat overrated. He's good, but not great. Out of your list of fall shorts, I think Rodgers and Bradford will grow into franchise QB's. Especially Rodgers, I think he will have a very good and long career.

November 3, 2010  10:15 AM ET
QUOTE(#7):

There was a quote describing Roger Staubach (I believe it was made by Brad Sham). "The men responded to him in a way that I think defines the QB position. He made them better by the force of his will.". That, to me, is a franchise QB. That applies to Roger...it also applied to Bradshaw, Big Ben, Montana, Elway, Marino, Farve, Aikman, and all the other greats. When these men stepped into the huddle, they made you believe. Even if you didn't believe in yourself, you believed in them. When they said, "OK, we have time for one last drive. We're going to take it down the field and win it right now"You believed. Doint that year in and year out makes one a franchise QB.

That is why Romo is not a franchise QB. I wonder if he even believes in himself, let alone his team.

November 3, 2010  10:17 AM ET

Awww....meeeemories....lovely water-color meeemories...

November 3, 2010  10:37 AM ET

IMO In a way beauty is in the eye of the beholder, a franchise Q.B. depends on each individuals definition of what one is and therefore most will have different ones on their list. It would be simpler to to name the top ten starting Q.B.'s or rank the Q.B.'s type thing because franchise is sort of a ghost or gray area term.

Simply try and look up the definition of a franchise Q.B. and see what you come up, there is also one for a franchise player as well which reads as follows from Wikipedia: In professional sports, a franchise player is an athlete who is not simply the best player on their team, but a player that the team can build their "franchise" [team] around for the foreseeable future. Do we simply replace player with Quarter back and go from there or is their a difference between player and Q.B.

Once again IMO it all depends on what each individuals idea of what franchise player or Q.B. is.

November 3, 2010  11:05 AM ET
QUOTE(#8):

Ok...I agree with you. However, I think you are describing an elite QB vs a Franchise QB.

Bradshaw actually had low numbers for his career. 72 TD's and 70 INT's with a QB rating of 78.

He wasn't overly accurate - but he was a great leader and could play in the big games. SB's didnt bother him. He made mistakes but overcame them. He made the team believe and he never paniced. He knew how to get the most out of his guys.

November 3, 2010  03:09 PM ET
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peyton - 12/yrs./colts , ........brady - 10/yrs./pats = franchise QB's !

They are probably the best of the best in today's NFL. Farve is fading fast, a few others are getting there.

November 3, 2010  08:46 PM ET

Thanks for the props, Rocker.....this post actually is thought-provoking, which is becoming a rarity around here. I remember the offseason before Roethlisberger was drafted. Steelers coming off a disasterous season and getting a rare top-10'ish pick (#11, I believe). All the talk out of Pittsburgh was that Cowher was SALIVATING over Rivers @ NC State...mainly because he was a multiple-year starter playing in a quality conference. Ben was probably their 3rd-4th choice, as Eli was going in top 5, and the other QBs were all over the place, depending on whom you listened to..... It makes you wonder where several teams would be today if the picks had fallen differently?

 
November 3, 2010  08:53 PM ET
QUOTE(#27):

Thanks for the props, Rocker.....this post actually is thought-provoking, which is becoming a rarity around here. I remember the offseason before Roethlisberger was drafted. Steelers coming off a disasterous season and getting a rare top-10'ish pick (#11, I believe). All the talk out of Pittsburgh was that Cowher was SALIVATING over Rivers @ NC State...mainly because he was a multiple-year starter playing in a quality conference. Ben was probably their 3rd-4th choice, as Eli was going in top 5, and the other QBs were all over the place, depending on whom you listened to..... It makes you wonder where several teams would be today if the picks had fallen differently?

I think Cowher would have stuck with Ben. He had the size Cowher was looking for in a QB as well as the leadership.

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