NCAAF  > General NCAAF  > What's up with all the November Cupcakes.
November 3, 2010, 05:15 AM
I took a look at the Nov schedules for every BCS conf team and noted all their non conf games.

Then I used the Sagarin ratings to come up with a 'rank' for those non conf opps and listed them in order from worst to best - followed by the BCS opp.

To avoid redundancy I listed the BCS vs BCS non conf matchups at the bottom.


Why do some teams get to play these scrimages while the rest of the country is into the meat and potatoes part of their scedules?

Should these free W's count?
November 3, 2010  05:16 AM ET

#232 Charleston Southern .... Kentucky
#206 Idaho St ....................... Georgia
#185 Georgia St .................... Alabama
#175 Memphis ....................... Tennessee
#174 LA Lafayette ................. Mississippi
#171 UNT ............................... Kansas St
#150 FAU ............................... Texas
#149 LA Monroe ..................... LSU
#137 UTEP ............................. Arkansas
#127 Weber St ...................... TX Tech
#108 Chattanooga ................ Auburn
#105 Troy .............................. South Carolina
#66 Appalachian St ................ Florida
#64 Fresno St ........................ Illinois

#117 Wake Forest ................ #97 Vanderbilt
#85 Boston College .............. #44 Syracuse
#74 USF ................................ #32 Miami
#67 GA Tech ......................... #42 Georgia
#57 Clemson ........................ #22 South Carolina
#31 Florida ........................... #19 FSU

November 3, 2010  06:00 AM ET

You left out this weeks best example. Auburn plays Chatanooga.

November 3, 2010  06:01 AM ET

FCS wins are completely irrelevant for anything other than padding the school's athletic budget. FCS losses should count quite heavily against a team.

Can't speak for all the teams, but the SEC begins their conference schedule earlier than most which leaves some dates in November to schedule either rivals or cupcakes.

November 3, 2010  07:33 AM ET
QUOTE(#3):

FCS wins are completely irrelevant for anything other than padding the school's athletic budget. FCS losses should count quite heavily against a team. Can't speak for all the teams, but the SEC begins their conference schedule earlier than most which leaves some dates in November to schedule either rivals or cupcakes.

FCS losses have counted heavily against teams. VT and Michigan are fairly recent examples on this. Even if VT wins out, to include a CC game and a BCS game I doubt they will crack the top 10. If the 2nd loss had come to NC State or Miami then I be they would crack the top 10 in the same scenario.

Also, FCS wins don't count for bowls, a few teams right now probably regret choosing a FCS team instead of a Sun Belt or MAC team as the 2010 pastry choice.

November 3, 2010  08:19 AM ET
QUOTE:

As far as I know, the way it has been, at least up until last season, is that if a team went 6-6 with ONE fcs win, they were still bowl eligible but if a team had TWO wins over fcs foes, that team would need seven wins to be bowl eligible.Has that rule been changed? As it stands now, 70 teams out of 120 will be needed to fill the ever expanding bowl line up.

That's the way I remember it too, Norka.

The more the better. At least we get a lot of decently matched OOC games at the end of the year. It doesn't bother me at all that we have mediocre at best teams in the bowls. I like the inter-conference play.

November 3, 2010  08:25 AM ET

Sorry to my Tennessee fans, but I have Memphis upsetting them this week.

November 3, 2010  08:27 AM ET
QUOTE(#7):

That's the way I remember it too, Norka. The more the better. At least we get a lot of decently matched OOC games at the end of the year. It doesn't bother me at all that we have mediocre at best teams in the bowls. I like the inter-conference play.

Ditto. Every year people complain about all the bowls, yet some of the smaller bowls are just plain exciting.

November 3, 2010  08:30 AM ET

I am more nervous about App State that at Vandy for UF.

November 3, 2010  08:33 AM ET

If you look at those rankings, Florida's FCS opponent (App State #66) is ranked higher than a number of the BCS vs BCS oppenents at the bottom. So, all teams (regardless of their BCS or FCS status) are not created equal.

November 3, 2010  08:34 AM ET
QUOTE(#11):

I am more nervous about App State that at Vandy for UF.

+1.

I've got a lot of App State people in this area....If the Gators lose, it will be an ugly winter listening to all my App State buddies.

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November 3, 2010  08:45 AM ET

And, not to defend a rival, but LSU earned the right to play LA Monroe. They've already played #18 UNC and #22 West Virginia in September (OOC BCS opponents). They will play 10 BCS conf opponents by the end of the regular season. I bet their schedule will be in the top 3 toughest schedules by the end of the regular season.

November 3, 2010  09:25 AM ET
QUOTE(#15):

And, not to defend a rival, but LSU earned the right to play LA Monroe. They've already played #18 UNC and #22 West Virginia in September (OOC BCS opponents). They will play 10 BCS conf opponents by the end of the regular season. I bet their schedule will be in the top 3 toughest schedules by the end of the regular season.

Yep-the non-PAC10 conferences have 4 OOC games. One or two hard games should be enough to satisfy folks. In UF's particular case the FSU game should be good this year.

I do doubt in LSU's case that WVU and UNC will end up ranked though.

November 3, 2010  09:48 AM ET
QUOTE(#14):

I hope to hell we don't lose to FIU...................

Be difficult to lose to FIU since TU is playing FAU...

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November 3, 2010  10:05 AM ET

Last minute scheduling of a FCS opponent is ok. Fill the schedule/stands. I don't like the OOC games late in the schedule unless they are rivalry games.

In a way teams can be taking a little more risk playing the weaker teams or FCS teams late. A 7-14 point win vs. a FCS team in september looks a whole lot different than one in November.

Can anyone recall have there been any cases for FCS teams holding a game way too close or upsetting a BCS program in November.

William & Mary vs. NC last week was way too close I know.

November 3, 2010  10:09 AM ET
QUOTE(#16):

Yep-the non-PAC10 conferences have 4 OOC games. One or two hard games should be enough to satisfy folks. In UF's particular case the FSU game should be good this year.I do doubt in LSU's case that WVU and UNC will end up ranked though.

Yeah, but Florida scheduled USF and FSU (two OOC BCS opponents) years ago. You can't control how they will be ranked when you play them.

Same for LSU - Those teams WERE ranked at the beginning of the season. Can't blame LSU for trying to improve their OOC schedule.

November 3, 2010  10:16 AM ET
QUOTE(#19):

Last minute scheduling of a FCS opponent is ok. Fill the schedule/stands. I don't like the OOC games late in the schedule unless they are rivalry games.

The SEC sets the schedule for their teams. Then, the teams have to fill the open slots. We can't pick and choose which weekends we can play OOC opponents. For several conferences (ACC and SEC come to mind), some of the teams have their largest rivalry game as an in-conference game and some as an out of conference game.

That makes the conference schedule harder to make for ALL the conference teams since each team has "protected weekends" that can't change.

November 3, 2010  10:43 AM ET

The SEC and ACC always have those open slots late. I don't know how the conferences do the scheduling and having the late season open dates would be hard to fill since many other confence schedules are going on at that time.

I am sure there are no easy answers if they know they will have an open date in november in say 2015 but aren't sure what weekend. It does make me wonder about how much flexibility is in the scheduling since most SEC teams have an off week right before Alabama. I wouldn't think that the SEC would schedule its games that way.

I wonder how much more TV might try and change things. That segment only really wants 4-5 really goood high draw games per weekend. They ask to move things around so they don't have 8 in November and only 1 in September.

Has the SEC always scheduled its games more spread out this way or is it happening more due to TV?

 
November 3, 2010  10:47 AM ET

UF uses the 2nd to last game as a break between the SEC schedule and FSU + potential SEC championship game.

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