There are also a lot of Thursday night games. I guess Larry Scott is getting exactly what he wanted here. Pac-12 Championship game, Dec. 3rd. Hopefully in Palo Alto.
Disappointed to see they're sticking with 9 inter-conference and 3 ooc. This would have been a good opportunity for the Pac teams to schedule 4 ooc's like the other major conferences.
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Disappointed to see they're sticking with 9 inter-conference and 3 ooc. This would have been a good opportunity for the Pac teams to schedule 4 ooc's like the other major conferences.
Really? So, you'll play the 5 teams in your division and 4 from the other division.
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Really? So, you'll play the 5 teams in your division and 4 from the other division.
MG- Looks that way. USC plays everyone but OSU and WSU.
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MG- Looks that way. USC plays everyone but OSU and WSU.
Is there a team or two from the other division that you will play annually? In the SEC, we consistently play one team from the other division (UF plays LSU every year) and the other two teams are on a two-year rotation.
What's the Pac-12's plan?
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Is there a team or two from the other division that you will play annually? In the SEC, we consistently play one team from the other division (UF plays LSU every year) and the other two teams are on a two-year rotation. What's the Pac-12's plan?
Well, the California schools will play each other every year, so that part is covered for the four of them. I don't think any of the other teams have this arrangement, so they will be on a rotational schedule.
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MG- Looks that way. USC plays everyone but OSU and WSU.
No Oregon??? Hm.
Utah will be the favorite I bet-Oregon loses a ton, Locker is gone, Stanford will have line issues. Any format where good teams play each other regularly is to be applauded.
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Any format where good teams play each other regularly is to be applauded.
I agree in theory, but the more the Pac plays among themselves, the more they knock each other off. The SEC and other major conferences figured out that if teams could go 4-0 in September ooc games, they only need to win 2 conference games to be bowl eligible.
If the 13 best teams in the country played each other in the regular season, in theory one of them would be 0-12, or they would all be 6-6. Trying to set the toughest schedule possible is commendable, but it's a sucker's play.
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I agree in theory, but the more the Pac plays among themselves, the more they knock each other off. The SEC and other major conferences figured out that if teams could go 4-0 in September ooc games, they only need to win 2 conference games to be bowl eligible. If the 13 best teams in the country played each other in the regular season, in theory one of them would be 0-12, or they would all be 6-6. Trying to set the toughest schedule possible is commendable, but it's a sucker's play.
Maybe, but I bet from 2011 onwards the PAC will have 2 BCS teams most years and the B12 will have one. CC games seem to set that up nicely (the champion and the best team that didn't make the CC game).
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Maybe, but I bet from 2011 onwards the PAC will have 2 BCS teams most years and the B12 will have one. CC games seem to set that up nicely (the champion and the best team that didn't make the CC game).
Armpit- No argument that the CCG will improve the conference's chances for a second BCS bowler, although the competition will be keener because the Big Ten will also benefit from a CCG.
My point is that by playing 9 games in-conference instead of 8, the Pac is shooting itself in the foot. The composite in-conference record for the SEC, ACC, and Big Ten will be 48-48, while the Pac will be 54-54. That's 6 extra guaranteed losses each year that will influence the computers and human perceptions about rankings and conference strength. And the Pac has no one to blame for this handicap but itself.
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Well, the California schools will play each other every year, so that part is covered for the four of them. I don't think any of the other teams have this arrangement, so they will be on a rotational schedule.
That looks right. I thought it was a 5-2-2 rotation. They would play 5 in division and 2 from the other division every year. The last 2 would be rotated through the other 4 from the other division. But according to the site, only the California schools are going to play every year.
This is the second thing I don't understand about their scheduling. Sure it protects the California rivalries but it's not exactly equitable or at least could lead to that. And asking a team to play the conference championship at their opponents home stadium lacks the competitive fairness that championship games require.
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Armpit- No argument that the CCG will improve the conference's chances for a second BCS bowler, although the competition will be keener because the Big Ten will also benefit from a CCG. My point is that by playing 9 games in-conference instead of 8, the Pac is shooting itself in the foot. The composite in-conference record for the SEC, ACC, and Big Ten will be 48-48, while the Pac will be 54-54. That's 6 extra guaranteed losses each year that will influence the computers and human perceptions about rankings and conference strength. And the Pac has no one to blame for this handicap but itself.
Will agree with that. As for the B10, they have been sending 2 for years, deserved or not.
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Will agree with that. As for the B10, they have been sending 2 for years, deserved or not.
Deserved or not?
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And asking a team to play the conference championship at their opponents home stadium lacks the competitive fairness that championship games require.
Someone would be doing that regardless, no? What if they decided the home stadium on best record or something to that affect. Or who beat each other in the head to head, if that applies?
Pick a neutral site at any of the PAC 10 schools?
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This is the second thing I don't understand about their scheduling. Sure it protects the California rivalries but it's not exactly equitable or at least could lead to that. And asking a team to play the conference championship at their opponents home stadium lacks the competitive fairness that championship games require.
Rather than a geographical split (Rain and Shine divisions) I would have split each rivalry into opposite divisions, then each year play 5 in division, plus 1 rival, plus 2 of the other 5 on a rotational basis, leaving 4 openings for ooc games. But what do I know?
I fully agree the CCG should be at a neutral site, but I think the home stadium rule was a concession to the smaller schools. Not sure why, but reading between the lines it seems the Pac had to employ a lot of give and take between large and small schools, so we end up with a model that looks stupid to all.
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Disappointed to see they're sticking with 9 inter-conference and 3 ooc.
Stunning.
The 9 ic/3 ooc schedule is a stunning move by the new Pac 12.
Before the schedules came out, I figured they would have gone to 4 ooc - giving 6 teams an extra 'W' at season's end. The ACC/SEC/Big 10/Big 12 all get the extra 6 wins (almost) guaranteed.
That would have been 6 teams with a better record .. meant more high ranked teams after the bowls .. meant more high ranked teams the following preason .. meant more high ranked teams even after beating each other up in conf play .. etc, etc, etc .......
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Someone would be doing that regardless, no?
Not necessarily. They could choose to play in San Diego and split the tickets 50/50. They could play at the rose bowl and split the tickets 50/50. As long as they choose a site that can give people a reason to travel beyond the game. Too bad San Francisco doesn't really have a suitable stadium. Or even Las Vegas.
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Stunning.The 9 ic/3 ooc schedule is a stunning move by the new Pac 12.Before the schedules came out, I figured they would have gone to 4 ooc - giving 6 teams an extra 'W' at season's end.
You are right. From a win-loss point of view, an eight game conference schedule is the way to go. More bowl eligible teams, more ranked teams, better perception around the country.
But I think the dirty not-so-secret is that most Pac10 teams cannot afford to schedule additional OOC games. Many stadiums are too small to attract a major BCS team for a H-H series, many fan bases are unwilling to buy tickets for an additional cupcake game.
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