NCAAF  > General NCAAF  > what two teams would be a good fit in the big 12 to replace the two teams we are loosing
November 28, 2010, 08:25 PM
Im hoping for TCU for sure, I believe they would be a great fit and Lord knows they need to be in a better conference than where their at now, that said....Im unsure of who the second team should be...
I would like Tulsa, but i dont think they could handle it, I also like arkansas but they'll never leave the SEC and who could blame them, their in a good conference..
So...any good ideas??
November 28, 2010  08:45 PM ET

Since we're losing Nebraska (a perennial powerhouse with a huge fan following) and Colorado (perenially mediocre without much of a fan following), it would be best to pull in at least 1 team that would be both competitive and have a large and loyal fan base. I'm not so confident the remnants of the Big-12 could accomplish that feat. TCU and Arkansas would be good, I suppose. I don't think Tulsa would be that good a fit. The geographically nearby AQ conferences (Big-11 and SEC) have pretty strong holds on their teams and so seem unlikely prospects for raiding (making Arkansas unlikely).

Ultimately, the remnants of the Big-12 might have to be divided up among other, stronger conferences, sad to say.

November 28, 2010  08:57 PM ET

man, i shur hope not! I would hate to see our conference fade away...so much history and rivalry there(here..i mean)....yeah arkansas is a stretch...Tulsa is just a wish...they couldnt hang...what do you think of BYU possibly????

November 28, 2010  09:36 PM ET

BYU and one of TCU/SMU/Houston would work.

November 28, 2010  11:08 PM ET

yeah i was thinking bout SMU too...they might work..im not shur of there current conference\info..etc etc..ill have to check it out..

November 28, 2010  11:45 PM ET
QUOTE(#3):

BYU and one of TCU/SMU/Houston would work.

This is a great question. If the BCS doesn't change and make a conference championship game required, I'm not sure they want to add anyone. I get the impression that the coaches like not having that extra game.

BYU would be good but I think they went independent because they wanted the rest of their athletics to be a part of a faith based conference - the WCC. (Of course, being stiffed by the Pac 10 might have played a role in that.)

The Texas schools make sense. I wonder then how they would divide up the conference? North and South wouldn't work anymore.

November 29, 2010  12:10 AM ET

Arkansas would really be a long shot, they already escaped the Texas mafia once when they bolted the SWC to join the SEC. That was the beginning of the unraveling of the SWC. You may be able to get one of the SWC orphans that Texas stranded if the price is right. The only other really good geographical match would be if Colorado St could be be bought, if they thought that the B12 money and exposure could help elevate their programs. Otherwise look west, bring in NM & NMS as a package deal pair.

Don't think there will be any chance of enticing a team from an top level conference to join a conference that pushed NU out and forced CU to make a deal with the PAC10 to not be left out in the cold. So the other option is to coax a team from the MWC, WAC or possibly CONF-USA.

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November 29, 2010  08:36 AM ET
QUOTE(#5):

This is a great question. If the BCS doesn't change and make a conference championship game required, I'm not sure they want to add anyone. I get the impression that the coaches like not having that extra game.BYU would be good but I think they went independent because they wanted the rest of their athletics to be a part of a faith based conference - the WCC. (Of course, being stiffed by the Pac 10 might have played a role in that.)The Texas schools make sense. I wonder then how they would divide up the conference? North and South wouldn't work anymore.

I think a CCG will be essential in the future. For example, if this year you had no loss PAC10, SEC and Big XII(10)...who would get the nod? More than likely would be SEC and Big XII since they played that extra game against a quality opponent.

IMHO

November 29, 2010  08:40 AM ET

colo st is one i hadnt thought that sounds pretty good...TCU and colo st...but i guess they would have to be a part of the north...hmm...i can see colo st being north, but TCU?? Oh well, who knows...i just dont want the big 12 to unravel

November 29, 2010  09:54 AM ET

Boise might be too far north for comfort.

Face it, in 10 years, you will hear as much about Boise St. as you hear about Montana St. I won't be a good fit.

November 29, 2010  11:27 AM ET
QUOTE(#12):

Boise might be too far north for comfort.Face it, in 10 years, you will hear as much about Boise St. as you hear about Montana St. I won't be a good fit.

It's the risk run anytime there is an attempt to re-configure conferences....what current teams will still be top or will they be bottom feeders. I know that both TU and OU were, at times, both dismal programs....I can remember when TCU was a given win in the old Southwest Conference...and now they are a top team? Remember when Boise was bad? Of course not because noone wrote about them....

IMHO, if the Big XII were to pick, say New Mexico and NMSU, they might start being better in a few years because they would start attracting better recruits?

November 29, 2010  11:53 AM ET
QUOTE(#13):

It's the risk run anytime there is an attempt to re-configure conferences....what current teams will still be top or will they be bottom feeders. I know that both TU and OU were, at times, both dismal programs....I can remember when TCU was a given win in the old Southwest Conference...and now they are a top team? Remember when Boise was bad? Of course not because noone wrote about them....IMHO, if the Big XII were to pick, say New Mexico and NMSU, they might start being better in a few years because they would start attracting better recruits?

lol. (snicker).

UNM has a remote outside shot. ABQ is a cute little town. NMSU just doesn't have anything really going for it at all. No tradition, relatively small town an hour from UTEP but 3 days (by horse) from anything else except rattlesnakes and tumbleweeds.

I live in Las Cruces for 9 years and enjoyed it. Buit it will never be a "Big 12-ish" college town.

November 29, 2010  12:55 PM ET
QUOTE(#3):

BYU and one of TCU/SMU/Houston would work.

The Longhorns do not want another in state school competing for high school recruits, so you can write off all three. I still think we have a shot at Notre Dame and Arkansas to fill the quiff of Ne and Co leaving.

November 29, 2010  01:19 PM ET

To me... only TCU really makes sense. Plus, they are losing 2 from the NORTH. I suppose they could re-align. They have NO shot at Arky and even less at ND. Not happening.

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November 29, 2010  02:24 PM ET
QUOTE(#14):

lol. (snicker).UNM has a remote outside shot. ABQ is a cute little town. NMSU just doesn't have anything really going for it at all. No tradition, relatively small town an hour from UTEP but 3 days (by horse) from anything else except rattlesnakes and tumbleweeds.I live in Las Cruces for 9 years and enjoyed it. Buit it will never be a "Big 12-ish" college town.

I was being a bit facetious here....almost went to NMSU. I was raised in New Mexico so know the territory well.

NMSU would have to upgrade it's stadium (only holds 30,000), and since they misspelled "Staidum" on their website...perhaps not.

November 29, 2010  02:30 PM ET

As a hog fan I can say that most hog fans would love the move to the Big 12. But, there really is no chance. The Arkansas AD was quoted as saying that Arkansas has $7 million reasons to stay in the SEC. It's too bad because geographically it makes more sense. A trip to Norman is a lot shorter than Columbia, SC or Gainesville. Plus, most hog fans still consider Texas their greatest rivalry.

November 29, 2010  02:33 PM ET
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The Big XII will not add two teams. With the next round of conference re-alignment, they'll either grow to 14 teams or they'll disband. Since (sadly, IMO) conference affiliation is now largely about dollars, I think they either land Notre Dame or they go out of existence. What other candidates would bring enough TV contract revenues to keep the "per school" amount from going down?Scenario A - Big XII adds Notre Dame, Arkansas, TCU and ............... someone else (I know TCU is joining the Big East in 2012, but that conference definitely will not survive the next round of realignment). We end up with five "super conferences" of fourteen teams each.Scenario B - We end up with four "super conferences" of sixteen teams each. Big East and Big XII dissolve. Zero U and Okie Lite probably join the Big 10. Texas and the College Station sheep molesters to the SEC. Texas Tech might (or might not) get a Pac invite. Mizzou might (or might not) get an invite from either Pac or Big 10. Kansas probably goes to a conference comprised of basketball powers that's not a football "super conference".What I think would be the best fit would be to add TCU and Arky. But TCU brings roughly zero additional TV markets (i.e., zero additional TV contract dollars), and without adding a big time revenue name like Notre Dame, we couldn't offer Arky anything close to the payout they get from the SEC. In other words, this ain't ****ing likely.

IMHO, anything that brings the conferences to more than 12 teams is too big....realignment will divide up some rivalries and you will need the OOC to keep those going.

Personally I would like to see 8 - 12 team conferences and the CCG play a 4 game playoff with the other teams vying for the various bowls....or split the FBS in half and have 4 - 12 team conferences and the other 62 form their own FBS2. Then each year the 120 teams are reassessed (or every 2-5 years) and realigned.

 
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