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Newton should be made an example. He should be declared ineligible due to his father. If you don't enforce the rules why have any?

Even if you are not an Alabama fan, this must look like an awfully strange version of justice. Newton was ineligible because his father violated his amateur status. His widely repeated quote, "the money was too much," should be infamous, and should prove beyond a shadow of a doubt that he knew his talents were being shopped by his father. Auburn knew about the MS State allegations before the first game of the season and did not do any of the right things. They did not declare him ineligible and ask for reinstatement. The NCAA just did it all for them and exacted no consequences on the school. Is the NCAA the National Conspiracy of Auburn Athletes now?

In the report the NCAA said, "We do not have sufficient evidence that Cam Newton or anyone from Auburn was aware of improper activity involving Newton's father."

It was previously reported that Cam told a MSU coach on the phone that he was selecting Auburn because of the money. It was also reported that Auburn was made aware of Cecil's solicitations to MSU before the season started.

Maybe it's the reporters, but somebody is lying.

It also seems the message here is that violations by a family member do not taint the athlete. Interesting.

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Originally posted 01:09 PM ET  12.01 by The Ladybird

on Monday and reinstated on Tuesday without penalty.http://www.al.com/sports/index.ssf/2010/12/ncaa_rules_aub urns_cam_newton.htmlBasically, Cecil screwed up at MSU and they can't prove Cam nor Auburn knew anything about it. Auburn's in the clear. Sounds like MSU will also be cleared.

sorry. i got the days a little mixed up. ruled ineligible Tuesday and reinstated either Tuesday or today.

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Originally posted 01:45 PM ET  12.01 by The Ladybird

sorry. i got the days a little mixed up. ruled ineligible Tuesday and reinstated either Tuesday or today.

Is this an April Fool's joke? If Scam was ruled ineligible Tuesday, why wasn't it reported by ESPN? Not newsworthy?

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Originally posted 01:42 PM ET  12.01 by Tribute to Troy

It also seems the message here is that violations by a family member do not taint the athlete. Interesting.

This is the most interesting part. Sometime in the next couple of years this concept is going to be tested again...

This is crap ... NEwton should lose the heisman and Auburn shouldnt be able to have him for the final 2 games. Newton turned pro as soon as his father talked to the MSU booster.

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Originally posted 01:49 PM ET  12.01 by Orac

This is the most interesting part. Sometime in the next couple of years this concept is going to be tested again...

I think it already was. Reggie Bush's problems seemed to be mostly about his parents living arrangements.

Dude ... this stuff happens in High School ... why should it be any different in college? The NCAA is a joke.

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Originally posted 01:42 PM ET  12.01 by Goal Line Stand

Even if you are not an Alabama fan, this must look like an awfully strange version of justice. Newton was ineligible because his father violated his amateur status. His widely repeated quote, "the money was too much," should be infamous, and should prove beyond a shadow of a doubt that he knew his talents were being shopped by his father. Auburn knew about the MS State allegations before the first game of the season and did not do any of the right things. They did not declare him ineligible and ask for reinstatement. The NCAA just did it all for them and exacted no consequences on the school. Is the NCAA the National Conspiracy of Auburn Athletes now?

Well, I'm a huge Auburn fan I couldn't argue that it sounds like there's some lying going on by someone. Either the Newtons to protect Cam or MSU boosters to protect MSU. Actually, they're probably some falsehoods from both sides of it. I don't know how anyone could claim to trust any of the public statements that have been made. I'm not saying they're not true but none of us can prove or disprove them. The quote you're referencing came from an unnamed source that everyone thought was a coach from MSU until the guys at ESPN who wrote the story clarified that they weren't quoting coaches. They were probably boosters of some sort for MSU. If they were interviewed by the NCAA, it's doubtful they would be stupid enough to admit they were on a phone with Cam as that would put MSU in a lot of trouble.

I don't think it's a conspiracy to protect Auburn. I am more likely to believe there's a conspiracy to protect the BCS. If everything about this story was the same except Auburn had a couple of losses, like it or not, everyone would accept it because without any hard evidence, it's one liar's word against another liar's words. It would just be fodder for the Bama/Auburn boards.

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Originally posted 01:42 PM ET  12.01 by Tribute to Troy

In the report the NCAA said, "We do not have sufficient evidence that Cam Newton or anyone from Auburn was aware of improper activity involving Newton's father."

If I was a TCU fan I'd think this was a conspiracy to keep the Horned Frogs out of the NCG.

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Originally posted 01:52 PM ET  12.01 by Tribute to Troy

I think it already was. Reggie Bush's problems seemed to be mostly about his parents living arrangements.

that was only a part of it. I believe Reggie was involved in setting up a sports agency with 2 other individuals and they "loaned" him $100k while he was still a student athlete.

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Originally posted 01:48 PM ET  12.01 by Dead Money

Is this an April Fool's joke? If Scam was ruled ineligible Tuesday, why wasn't it reported by ESPN? Not newsworthy?

I don't think so. The NCAA didn't make a statement or announce it until today. No way for ESPN to know unless someone would have leaked it.

This stinks. You can't rule someone ineligible one day and reinstate him the next day with something fishy going on. If what he did was against his amateur status then he needs to forfeit some games.

The NCAA is either dropping the ball on this, or something else is going to happen.

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Originally posted 02:01 PM ET  12.01 by Dead Money

If I was a TCU fan I'd think this was a conspiracy to keep the Horned Frogs out of the NCG.

Definitely something fishy going on.

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Originally posted 02:04 PM ET  12.01 by The Ladybird

that was only a part of it. I believe Reggie was involved in setting up a sports agency with 2 other individuals and they "loaned" him $100k while he was still a student athlete.

Where does this stuff come from?

I just went over the report again. No $100K loan. The only loan mentioned was made to the parents. According to the NCAA, Reggie got some money to trick out his car, a limo ride to a party, and a few other possible monetary benefits totalling hundreds of dollars. With the house, furnishings and plane rides, his parents hauled in 5-10 times that amount.

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Originally posted 02:26 PM ET  12.01 by Tribute to Troy

Where does this stuff come from? I just went over the report again. No $100K loan. The only loan mentioned was made to the parents. According to the NCAA, Reggie got some money to trick out his car, a limo ride to a party, and a few other possible monetary benefits totalling hundreds of dollars. With the house, furnishings and plane rides, his parents hauled in 5-10 times that amount.

If I was a Southern Cal fan, I'd be pretty upset. If all you have to do is say, "It was my father!" well, that excuse was built in for Reggie Bush.

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Originally posted 02:29 PM ET  12.01 by Joe Kidd #1

If I was a Southern Cal fan, I'd be pretty upset. If all you have to do is say, "It was my father!" well, that excuse was built in for Reggie Bush.

Reggie was guilty enough on his own to get the school in a jackpot for not taking care of business on compliance, but most of the violations the NCAA found involved the parents. If there's a separation between acts by athletes and their parents, why did the NCAA spend so much of its report on Bush's parents? For the NCAA to conclude Cecil was dirty but Cam won't suffer seems to be a reversal of policy.

So basiclly if the player runs around with his fingers in his ears screaming "I can't hear you" everything is okay with the NCAA ... whatever. This is a crock ... and TCU should file some lawsuits against the NCAA if they dont make the BCS Championship game.

I don't think Auburn is off the hook yet, but they probably are for the time being. I think this was a temporary agreement between NCAA and Auburn so that there wouldn't be a lawsuit challenging the NCAA's right to rule a player ineligible due to the actions of a parent. It is my understanding that there is no hard language in the NCAA bylaws to enforce that charge and that Auburn planned a lawsuit.

It looks to me like they had a mutual understanding. We will declare the finding. You will declare ineligible and then ask for reinstatement and we will reinstate.

But the investigation into Auburn boosters and athletic department will continue and imo they are likely to find something eventually.