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December 9, 2010, 09:43 PM
Woody Hayes' coaching lineage is perhaps the most influential in all of college football. I've looked everywhere I can think of-- I cannot find a directly stated, comprehensive Woody Hayes Coaching Family Tree anywhere.

SO... using some of my previous posts and a couple of other sources, here's what I've come up with thus far:

Woody's "Sons"
Include Bo Schembechler, Earle Bruce, Ara Parseghian, Lou Holtz, Bill Arnsparger, Bill Mallory, and Dick Crum.

Woody's "Grandsons", "Great-Grandsons", and so on???
From Earle/Ohio State: Jim Tressel and the current coaching staff, Pete Carroll, Urban Liar, Nick Satan, Ron Zook, Mark Dantonio, Larry Coker, Fred Pagac (Vikings DC), Lovie Smith (former Bears HC), Tim Spencer (Bears RB), Dom Capers (Packers DC), Randy Hart (Stanford D-Line), Bob Palcic (UCLA O-Line), Mark Snyder (USF DC), Gary Blackney (UCF D2nd), Jon Tenuta (NC State LB), Doyt Perry, Glen Mason, Tom Lichtenberg

From Bo/TSUN: Gary Moeller, Lloyd Carr, Bill McCartney, Les Miles, Rick Neuheisel, Karl Dorrell, Gary Barnett, Bo Pelini (DC for Miles at LSU), Pat Fitzgerald (Asst. for Barnett)

From Lou: Monte Kiffin (USC DC), Barry Alvarez, Bob Davie, Gary Darnell, Charlie Strong, Skip Holtz, Rick Minter, Chuck Amato, Pete Vaas, Ron Cooper, Mike Trgovac (Packers DL), Tom Clements (Packers QB), Jay Hayes (Bengals DL), Houston Nutt, Jim Strong, Dan Mullen, Joker Phillips

From Ara: Joe Yonto, Tom Pagna

From Bill A.: Marty Schottenheimer, hired Steve Spurrier (so maybe a step-grandson relationship here)

From Bill M.: Doug Mallory (NM DC), Curt Mallory (Akron DC). Son Mike Mallory (Saints Special Teams) is actually tied in through Ron Zook (he was the DC at Illinois under Zooker.)

From Dick: Bill Stewart (WV HC), Randy Walker (Northwestern HC, RIP), Perry Fewell (Giants DC), Joe Novak (NIU HC), Kevin Wilson (new Indiana HC)


Sources:
http://www.ohiostatebuckeyes.com/SportSelect.dbml?DB_OEM_ ID=17300&SPID=10408&SPSID=87747
http://www.ohiostatebuckeyes.com/fls/17300//pdf/fb/m-foot bl-assistants.pdf
http://en.wikipedia.org
http://www.dispatch.com/live/content/football/stories/200 7/10/20/coach_tree1020.ART_ART_10-20-07_E3_F887SGF.html
http://www.fannation.com/message_boards/show_topic/101423 -cfb-tidbits
http://www.cbssports.com/mcc/messages/chrono/23184795/0/0 /23188401

I'm certain there are more, but my brain is tired... help from Buckeye Nation would be appreciated here.


What are the coaching trees of some of the other greats?
December 10, 2010  10:50 AM ET

If you look around the small school landscape, Coach Tress has an even larger footprint...

December 10, 2010  11:26 AM ET

Easy to tie things together going that far back in a profession that involves many coaching changes.

Nick Saban worked for Bill Belichick, Belichick worked for Bill Parcells coaching under Ray Perkins at NYG, Ray Perkins coached under Bear Bryant, Bryant coached under Frank Thomas (U of A coach with 2 National Titles and 88% winning %), Frank Thomas played quarterback at Notre Dame for Knute Rockne from 1920 until 1922.

December 10, 2010  11:36 AM ET

Thats awesome ... thanks for the post. :) Woddy Hayes .... not bad for a dude outta Newcomerstown OH ... :)

December 10, 2010  12:36 PM ET
QUOTE(#2):

Easy to tie things together going that far back in a profession that involves many coaching changes.Nick Saban worked for Bill Belichick, Belichick worked for Bill Parcells coaching under Ray Perkins at NYG, Ray Perkins coached under Bear Bryant, Bryant coached under Frank Thomas (U of A coach with 2 National Titles and 88% winning %), Frank Thomas played quarterback at Notre Dame for Knute Rockne from 1920 until 1922.

Are you always condescending or just on Ohio State threads?

December 10, 2010  12:37 PM ET
QUOTE(#1):

If you look around the small school landscape, Coach Tress has an even larger footprint...

I was too lazy to breakdown the 3rd and 4th generations-- but yeah, if you start doing that, it is absolutely amazing the reach...

December 10, 2010  01:07 PM ET
QUOTE(#2):

Easy to tie things together going that far back in a profession that involves many coaching changes...

It's like any family tree-- if you only consider one generation/marriage, the range of relatives is going to be much more limited than if you consider multiple generations, marriages, and the offspring of those marriages...

Is there going to be overlap? Of course, because people hop from one organization to another much more than they did in the past. Hell, there are "sons"/"grandsons" on this list that could be listed under multiple "fathers" here and who will be listed under other coaching trees. But if you are a good assistant, you will take something away from every experience you have. And in this case, they're all tied to Woody.

Don't like it? Tie them in to a different coaching tree, one you care about...

December 10, 2010  01:52 PM ET
QUOTE(#3):

Thats awesome ... thanks for the post. :) Woddy Hayes .... not bad for a dude outta Newcomerstown OH ... :)

Thanks, Grinch... :)

December 10, 2010  05:05 PM ET
QUOTE(#6):

It's like any family tree-- if you only consider one generation/marriage, the range of relatives is going to be much more limited than if you consider multiple generations, marriages, and the offspring of those marriages...Is there going to be overlap? Of course, because people hop from one organization to another much more than they did in the past. Hell, there are "sons"/"grandsons" on this list that could be listed under multiple "fathers" here and who will be listed under other coaching trees. But if you are a good assistant, you will take something away from every experience you have. And in this case, they're all tied to Woody.Don't like it? Tie them in to a different coaching tree, one you care about...

I little sensitive after calling him Nick Satan.......

December 10, 2010  10:31 PM ET

the cards are stacked against the B10 this year. Wisconsin and Ohio State are the only B10 reams i expect can and will win. Persa out, Iowa in the pits, Mich has no defense. MSU is outclassed, and so is PSU. Illinois might play well but who knows. Just my feelings this year. If we go 500 we should feel blessed

December 11, 2010  12:16 PM ET

Haden Frye had a pretty good tree too considering in 1985 alone he had Bill Snyder, Bob Stoops, Dan McCarney, Barry Alvarez and Kirk Ferentz as his assistant coaches. Those guys have all produced other head coaches as well. Pretty darn good staff for one year.

December 11, 2010  12:31 PM ET
QUOTE(#10):

Haden Frye had a pretty good tree too considering in 1985 alone he had Bill Snyder, Bob Stoops, Dan McCarney, Barry Alvarez and Kirk Ferentz as his assistant coaches. Those guys have all produced other head coaches as well. Pretty darn good staff for one year.

I didnt realize that, pretty cool

December 11, 2010  02:14 PM ET
QUOTE(#8):

I little sensitive after calling him Nick Satan.......

Fair enough.

But, did you still like him back when he was at LSU, Mich St, or his stop in the NFL?

I'm happy for the success of the Crimson Tide program. But, for awhile there, Nick was mercenary.

December 11, 2010  10:35 PM ET
QUOTE(#12):

But, for awhile there, Nick is mercenary.

Fixed that for you.

December 11, 2010  10:38 PM ET
QUOTE(#9):

the cards are stacked against the B10 this year. Wisconsin and Ohio State are the only B10 reams i expect can and will win. Persa out, Iowa in the pits, Mich has no defense. MSU is outclassed, and so is PSU. Illinois might play well but who knows. Just my feelings this year. If we go 500 we should feel blessed

PSU is outclassed by UF? Did you watch any of our games this year?

December 13, 2010  03:23 PM ET
QUOTE(#12):

Fair enough.But, did you still like him back when he was at LSU, Mich St, or his stop in the NFL?I'm happy for the success of the Crimson Tide program. But, for awhile there, Nick was mercenary.

We hate everyone at LSU.
Never heard of him at Mich St.
Could care less about NFL.

And yea he is a mercenary.. Today he is ours so we defend him.

December 14, 2010  10:57 AM ET
QUOTE(#16):

We hate everyone at LSU.Never heard of him at Mich St.Could care less about NFL.And yea he is a mercenary.. Today he is ours so we defend him.

I understand. In fact, I endorse that kind of loyalty to the head coach.

Crimson Tide is an awesome program for a coach to lay down roots. And, with his success, I expect y'all want him to stay for awhile.

Staying hasn't really been his MO in the past. My guess is he's finally landed where he wants to be.

When he coached the Spartans, they defeated the #1 ranked Buckeyes 28-24 in the Horseshoe (1998). That's probably the only thing you'd have heard about him nationally at the time.

And his stop in NFL is probably a great benefit to you. I suspect he's lost his appetite for that league.

Good luck in the bowl game. Although, I'll be rooting for my Big Ten brethren from MSU, if I had to bet, I'd take Alabama.

December 14, 2010  01:58 PM ET
QUOTE(#17):

When he coached the Spartans, they defeated the #1 ranked Buckeyes 28-24 in the Horseshoe (1998).

We dont speak of said game....

December 14, 2010  03:05 PM ET
QUOTE(#10):

Haden Frye had a pretty good tree too considering in 1985 alone he had Bill Snyder, Bob Stoops, Dan McCarney, Barry Alvarez and Kirk Ferentz as his assistant coaches. Those guys have all produced other head coaches as well. Pretty darn good staff for one year.

Now, THAT is impressive. Damn!

December 15, 2010  04:31 PM ET
QUOTE(#17):

I understand. In fact, I endorse that kind of loyalty to the head coach. Crimson Tide is an awesome program for a coach to lay down roots. And, with his success, I expect y'all want him to stay for awhile.Staying hasn't really been his MO in the past. My guess is he's finally landed where he wants to be. When he coached the Spartans, they defeated the #1 ranked Buckeyes 28-24 in the Horseshoe (1998). That's probably the only thing you'd have heard about him nationally at the time.And his stop in NFL is probably a great benefit to you. I suspect he's lost his appetite for that league.Good luck in the bowl game. Although, I'll be rooting for my Big Ten brethren from MSU, if I had to bet, I'd take Alabama.

I do not anticipate him to have a long stay although it is encouraging that his children are attending AL. AL can hire another good coach for $4mm a year. We FINALLY got away from hiring "one of Bear's boys" syndrome with Saban and I think going forward we will always look a hired gun to run the program.

 
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