NCAAF  > General NCAAF  > The average thinker about Newton is very biased and ignores the facts.
December 11, 2010, 04:12 PM
I sure am glad the people in power such as heisman voters and the NCAA doesn't make their decisions off of emotions and agendas. The facts are the facts and obviously their strong enough to state he should be playing and win the Heisman. People don't become inelgible because someone "feels" or "thinks" someone did something wrong. They become inelgible due to facts that they did something wrong. Thats what the average person doesn't get and that includes most of you on here. People believe what they want to but when it comes to true consequences that affects someone's life, a person must dig a little deeper than that and go off of facts and take into account future consequences also. For example, lets say Newtons father asked for the money and Cam didn't know about it. There is no evidence that state he did so the consequence should be based on that. There is chance on both sides: he is telling the truth and he might not be. The feeling of "I just think he did know" doesn't cut it. Also I don't like the slippery slope of consequencing someone based on another person asking for money - especially if that person knew nothing about it. HECK what stops anyone else from asking money for a player on any team and saying that they represent him - just to cause a problem. That is the dilema of the NCAA. Everyone's stars on their team could be at jepordy of their rivals making up stories because they recruited the player too and had contact with them - such as mississippi state against Auburn. Also it isnt far fetched for me to believe that a father would keep something that unethical away from his son. Some fathers do value what behaviors they show their kids. Maybe that is far fetched for you guys to believe - if so maybe you need to look at yourself and question how you see being a parent. I know what I have written wont mean anything to most of you because what I have learned is most people base everything off of emotion and pick and choose the facts they want to use. The facts are the facts, the opinions are the opinions. Luckly the voters and NCAA stick with the facts.
December 11, 2010  05:12 PM ET

Paragraph separation, punctuation and general grammar are sorely missing here.

December 11, 2010  05:17 PM ET

Great argument! I do this fun.... not writing a term paper. People love writing what you just wrote when they don't have anything better to say.

December 11, 2010  05:22 PM ET
QUOTE(#2):

Great argument! I do this fun.... not writing a term paper. People love writing what you just wrote when they don't have anything better to say.

I couldn't read it due to the aforementioned problems. Can't get to the merits of your argument when trying to read it gives me a headache.

December 11, 2010  05:24 PM ET

GERAT CMOE BCAK AND AGRUEMNT! Believe or not I do this for fun. I'm not writing a research paper for a journal. People type what you just did when they don't have anything better to say. It's one of the weakest replies. Its a...... oh wait let me put a (') in between "It's" so the meaning of what I am trying to say will get threw.... oh wait.... "through" to you.

December 11, 2010  05:28 PM ET
QUOTE(#4):

GERAT CMOE BCAK AND AGRUEMNT! Believe or not I do this for fun. I'm not writing a research paper for a journal. People type what you just did when they don't have anything better to say. It's one of the weakest replies. Its a...... oh wait let me put a (') in between "It's" so the meaning of what I am trying to say will get threw.... oh wait.... "through" to you.

Argument; you keep saying that word, yet I don't believe you know what it actually means. Generally, readable posts are appreciated. Of course you could just keep yammering away about how you do this for fun. Until then, your posts are going to go unread by more than a few members of this forum.

December 11, 2010  05:32 PM ET

Dont... I mean... "Don't" read it then. The point is I know my post carries weight but you are ignoring it.

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December 11, 2010  05:37 PM ET

People who bring up grammar on "for fun" message boards get on my nerves. Also, my post isn't that bad. I type 70 words a minute and don't worry about the small stuff sometimes.

December 11, 2010  05:39 PM ET

So you write a "post" to instigate an argument? You basically take what could have been stated in three or four sentences and write and entire page...

Whether Cam Newton knew, took, or covered up anything to do with extra money will come out. Although I'm not quite sure what you were trying to get across, sounds like you are trying to stuck up for kid. Fair enough, but aren't you twisting the facts ot lack thereof at this point to support your ramblings???

December 11, 2010  05:42 PM ET

I don't think Cam should win every award. I'm not being selfish here. Those 12 people have their opinions. Let that other QB have that award. He has accomplished a lot at a smaller school that has a lot less advantages. For example, the talent that surrounds him isn't as elite so his 30 TDs and 5 int are pretty impressive. Oh wait... that is an argument someone else could have to give him the award.

December 11, 2010  05:43 PM ET

Let me make it easier for you. Read the last two sentences in my long rambling, run-on, paragraph and you'll get the point.

December 11, 2010  06:00 PM ET

SEC's own bylaws:

"If at any time before or after matriculation in a member institution a student-athlete or any member of his/her family receives or agrees to receive, directly or indirectly, any aid or assistance beyond or in addition to that permitted by the Bylaws of this Conference (except such aid or assistance as such student-athlete may receive from those persons on whom the student is naturally or legally dependent for support), such student-athlete shall be ineligible for competition in any intercollegiate sport within the Conference for the remainder of his/her college career."

No one at the NCAA or the SEC Commissioner's Office disputes that Cecil was negotiating payment for playing at Miss State.

Regardless of what the NCAA ruled, the SEC's own bylaws make Newton ineligible to play at any SEC school.

December 11, 2010  06:24 PM ET
QUOTE(#12):

"If at any time before or after matriculation in a member institution a student-athlete or any member of his/her family receives or agrees to receive, directly or indirectly, any aid or assistance beyond or in addition to that permitted by the Bylaws of this Conference (except such aid or assistance as such student-athlete may receive from those persons on whom the student is naturally or legally dependent for support), such student-athlete shall be ineligible for competition in any intercollegiate sport within the Conference for the remainder of his/her college career."

There was discussion about "pay for play" according to the NCAA. There was never payment or an agreement indirectly or directly for money. Mississippi state didn't agree to anything or pay anything. There has to be two sides to make the same decision for a payment or agreement to take place. According to Mississppi State they reported it instantly. There was never an agreement for money to be paid. See that's the problem. It just depends how one interprets it.

December 11, 2010  06:55 PM ET
QUOTE(#14):

There was never an agreement for money to be paid. See that's the problem. It just depends how one interprets it.

Pay for play was entirely Cecil's idea. Miss State did not approach Cecil offering money for Cam's services; Cecil was the one doing the soliciting. Agreed?

When a hooker solicits, they are agreeing to receive money. In fact, they can be arrested at that moment, regardless of whether a dollar figure has been determined or whether any money actually was exchanged.

In making the solicitation to Miss State, Cecil was agreeing to receive money. Per the SEC's rules, Cam became ineligible at all SEC schools at that moment.

December 11, 2010  07:11 PM ET

This is going to create quite a problem for the NCAA in about three months. I fully expect Auburn to roll, based upon the fact that the Auburn players practice tackling and Oregon doesn't. However, after Cam is retroactively ruled ineligible, he won't suffer any consequences. Some team will be dumb enough to draft him in the first round (hello Bengals!) and he'll have his money.

The fans are the ones who will suffer. We'll have to watch a second Heisman be returned in a year, we'll see the BCS title game nullified and be posed with endless bitching from TCU fans.

Of course, the homers will say Auburn was robbed, you know, because Auburn has the cleanest history of penalties with the NCAA.

December 11, 2010  07:29 PM ET

Unless the allegations about the Auburn racetrack booster guy turn out to be true, I'm not sure Cam will ever be ruled ineligible by the NCAA.

I think the pay for play scheme was only between the Newtons and Miss State; Auburn likely did recruit Newton cleanly. So the only likely recipient of any sanctions would be Miss State (and it looks like they fully cooperated, so I doubt they will get much of a punishment.)

For example, Albert Means was never declared ineligible by the NCAA; he could not play in the SEC because of that pesky rule I've been citing, but that was an SEC restriction.

Slive decided that since Cecil had his fingers crossed and Miss State didn't call no crossies and thus Cecil didn't agree to receive. So the SEC is not likely to ever declare Newton ineligible down the road, either.

December 11, 2010  08:57 PM ET
QUOTE(#16):

This is going to create quite a problem for the NCAA in about three months. I fully expect Auburn to roll, based upon the fact that the Auburn players practice tackling and Oregon doesn't. However, after Cam is retroactively ruled ineligible, he won't suffer any consequences. Some team will be dumb enough to draft him in the first round (hello Bengals!) and he'll have his money. The fans are the ones who will suffer. We'll have to watch a second Heisman be returned in a year, we'll see the BCS title game nullified and be posed with endless bitching from TCU fans. Of course, the homers will say Auburn was robbed, you know, because Auburn has the cleanest history of penalties with the NCAA.

Yep, TCU will wind up as the true #1 for the 2010 season...

If they beat WISC, that is. If they loose its pretty hard to say who deserves it once AU is vacated...

December 11, 2010  09:47 PM ET
QUOTE(#8):

People who bring up grammar on "for fun" message boards get on my nerves. Also, my post isn't that bad. I type 70 words a minute and don't worry about the small stuff sometimes.

Actually, typing has become an extension of yourself. The way you want to be perceived comes across in your typing. If you don't care about grammar and all that, that is fine. But don't expect people to take you seriously.
I am not saying that you can't commit typos or whatever, but it isn't about writing a term paper, it as about coming across as a person with a well thought out, lucid, intelligent idea. Hard to do when your syntax, spelling and semantics are missing.

December 11, 2010  09:49 PM ET
QUOTE(#18):

Yep, TCU will wind up as the true #1 for the 2010 season...If they beat WISC, that is. If they loose its pretty hard to say who deserves it once AU is vacated...

So, if TCU wins, they automatically deserve #1. Not oregon? But it's hard to say who will win if the lose to Wisconsin? How does that logic work? How can wisconsin not be in the discussion after they beat TCU? How can OREGON not be the true number one? Just because TCU wins and thus goes undefeated does not mean they deserve number one. They barely deserve number three.

 
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