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yeah, and he also set up dozens of his slot machines so auburn players could walk in and win unlimited amounts of money...this is old news and hasn't been proved relevant at all. isn't it time to stop all the YELLING and just let the investigation play out.

I actually found this today and thought that it went well with this topic.

http://www.thebestsportsblog.com/cam-newton-saga.html

This article does not profess that he is innocent or guilty, but it merely looks at what has come to light during the case as well as what could potentially happen to the college football world if Newton is found guilty in any of the ensuing investigations.

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Originally posted 04:17 PM ET  12.11 by lja2713

I GUESS YOU ALL STILL THINK HE IS INNOCENT.

Well..I DO still think you are stirring the pot...

but stir away

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Originally posted 12:11 AM ET  01.15 by GrandTheftHarley

Mmmm....Whatever's in the pot sure smells good, D2 <drool, drool>. Mulligan stew, maybe?

LOL....
Guess when your favorite conference has divisions called Legends and Leaders...and 5 players were caught selling their awards against rules....(and their gold pants at that...).....

go for it... :)

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Originally posted 10:56 AM ET  01.15 by GrandTheftHarley

Can't defend the indefensible, that's for sure. The same applies to your favorite conference/division that exploits kids with oversigning and a player who was pimped out by his dad... ;]The bottom line, as I see it, is that the world of college football is spinning off its axis and no one knows what upheaval is gonna result from it. The NCAA has lost control of it all. That much is certain.

That's not true. In FBS, there are approximately 15,000 football players. In the past year we heard about problems with approximately 30 athletes. Say there's another 100 or so that we didn't hear about. Heck, let's say 200 just to be fair. That means there are no issues with 98.5% of college football players. The NCAA hasn't lost control. The fan base has set unfair expectations and the media is more than happy to fuel the fire as that's how they make money.

Reality check. We're fanatics. We take things personally and blow them way out of proportion. This is college football and not life or death for us. However, well over 90% of college football players get an education that allows them to make it in the real world after their short playing career is over. Additionally, many schools pay for their other sports with college football revenue. I would say the small number of issues that arise are worth it and I praise the NCAA for first and foremost protecting the student athletes but at the same time holding them accountable.

Our debates are fun and I like that they can get serious but in the words of Cris Carter - Com'n man!

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Originally posted 11:41 AM ET  01.15 by The Ladybird

well over 90% of college football players get an education that allows them to make it in the real world after their short playing career is over

I'm not claiming the graduation rate is this high but that they have the benefit of the education.

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Originally posted 12:14 PM ET  01.15 by GrandTheftHarley

I also believe that the NCAA is attempting to navigate uncharted waters in terms of the perceived preferential treatment that Auburn/Cam Newton and tOSU/Tatt5 were given in the course of their scandals. Additionally, it seems to me that increasing numbers of individuals and/or schools see the NCAA as ponderously slow and inept in investigating rules violations as well as appropriate consequences, and subsequently see opportunities to circumvent/violate the rules whenever possible.

Being biased towards Auburn, I'll just comment on tOSU/Tatt5. In the bigger picture, I think the NCAA got the punishment correct.

The Sugar Bowl - If it were 1 or maybe 2 players, then suspending them for the Sugar Bowl would have been appropriate. However, giving Arkansas that huge of an advantage isn't fair to the fans on either side, the remaining players on either side, and, sadly, the investors (ESPN, Allstate, commercial buyers, etc.). Of course, I would feel differently if the game had an impact on the title but the reality is that the bowl games are exhibitions.

First 5 games next year - This is a pretty stiff punishment. TP specifically but the others as well won't be taking 1st string reps for the months of August and September and probably the first week of October. This is a huge disadvantage going into the conference schedule on top of the conference game they'll miss. tOSU is behind the 8-ball in the Big 10 next year. The only thought I have is that instead of suspending them for the first 5 games, I would have suspended them for only the first 2 maybe 3 Big 10 games. Let them play in the non-conference games but make the chances of winning the Big 10 harder. That would be a more effective punishment in the long run.

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Originally posted 12:55 PM ET  01.15 by GrandTheftHarley

So, Ladybird, being you are an Auburn fan, do you think the Cam/Cecil Newton affair has achieved closure, or is there another shoe to be dropped?

With each passing day, I feel more at ease. This situation is so different from the Reggie Bush situation. The press dug through that and were able to prove quite a bit pretty early on. It took so long because the NCAA can't subpoena and no one from the Bush family cooperated.

You know the press is digging into the money side of this. They'll find something and it won't take long if there's something to be found. There are 5 churches involved. More then 1 person from these congregations would be willing to talk.The Newtons have been cooperative as far as we know and all the MSU people involved are on the record that they know nothing of Auburn being involved.* I think everyone wanted Auburn to have paid the Newtons because it would affirm their cynicism.

That said, I won't be shocked if something comes up. I just think the farther away we get from it, the better the chances are that Cecil made a bonehead mistake with MSU and that's all there is.

*The only reference to Auburn comes from a phone conversation between Cam and Mullen's wife. What she said to the press and in public is not what she would say to the NCAA as it would incriminate MSU. No telling if she was just bitter and lied to the press or lied to the NCAA so as not to get MSU in trouble. And that's if the NCAA even interviewed her.

The Auburn AD said publicly that Cecil would not be at the NCG, as "mutually agreed upon."

Cecil shows up anyway and is caught on film

Cecil's attorney then claims that Cecil wasn't at the game, he just wandered in to the stadium and made it to the field--all without even a ticket--after the game had ended. When asked where Cecil was during the game, the attorney has no answer.

I don't begrudge a father wanting to see his son play a huge game. And I believe the Auburn AD was truthful when he said that Cecil was not going to attend.

But it seems pretty clear that Cecil was in attendance at the game. Given that Auburn did not provide him a ticket, and tickets were going for thousands on Stub Hub, how did Cecil afford a ticket? And airfare? And a hotel room?

Again we have Cecil ignoring rules and then lying about it when caught. I'm expecting a very tortuous reading of "limited contact" when it comes out that someone did pay Cecil's bills at the NCG.

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Originally posted 02:52 PM ET  01.15 by UB bulls

The Auburn AD said publicly that Cecil would not be at the NCG, as "mutually agreed upon."Cecil shows up anyway and is caught on filmCecil's attorney then claims that Cecil wasn't at the game, he just wandered in to the stadium and made it to the field--all without even a ticket--after the game had ended. When asked where Cecil was during the game, the attorney has no answer.I don't begrudge a father wanting to see his son play a huge game. And I believe the Auburn AD was truthful when he said that Cecil was not going to attend.But it seems pretty clear that Cecil was in attendance at the game. Given that Auburn did not provide him a ticket, and tickets were going for thousands on Stub Hub, how did Cecil afford a ticket? And airfare? And a hotel room?Again we have Cecil ignoring rules and then lying about it when caught. I'm expecting a very tortuous reading of "limited contact" when it comes out that someone did pay Cecil's bills at the NCG.

I agree that Cecil probably should have stayed away based on what he said before the game. But as for getting a ticket. Com'n man! An Auburn fan not directly involved with the university could have sold him a ticket bought at face value for face value. That's just a couple of hundred bucks. And I got there with ticket for about $1900. Relative to the situation, that's not a lot of money.

Now, there were people offering $7000 for tickets outside the gates. My seat wouldn't have got $7000 but I could have sold it for $2000 or so.

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Originally posted 03:19 PM ET  01.15 by The Ladybird

An Auburn fan not directly involved with the university could have sold him a ticket bought at face value for face value. That's just a couple of hundred bucks.

And I got there with ticket for about $1900. Relative to the situation, that's not a lot of money.Now, there were people offering $7000 for tickets outside the gates. My seat wouldn't have got $7000 but I could have sold it for $2000 or so.

Isn't that the point? You turned down 2 grand for your ticket, yet apparently Cecil managed to find someone who was willing to part with theirs at face value.

I find it hard to believe that any Auburn fan would sell the only NCG ticket he will ever likely see in this lifetime to a total stranger at face value.

Now, if the seller knew the buyer was Cecil, I can believe that. However, that situation makes things awkward for Auburn, as Cecil isn't supposed to be entitled to preferential treatment.

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Originally posted 04:24 PM ET  01.15 by UB bulls

Isn't that the point? You turned down 2 grand for your ticket, yet apparently Cecil managed to find someone who was willing to part with theirs at face value.I find it hard to believe that any Auburn fan would sell the only NCG ticket he will ever likely see in this lifetime to a total stranger at face value.Now, if the seller knew the buyer was Cecil, I can believe that. However, that situation makes things awkward for Auburn, as Cecil isn't supposed to be entitled to preferential treatment.

I agree that it's awkward and having said he wouldn't be there, he shouldn't have been. My point was that it's not that difficult to get into the game without preferential treatment from Auburn. The issue for me isn't that he had a ticket, it's the telling Auburn one thing and doing the other.

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Originally posted 04:58 PM ET  01.15 by The Ladybird

I agree that it's awkward and having said he wouldn't be there, he shouldn't have been. My point was that it's not that difficult to get into the game without preferential treatment from Auburn. The issue for me isn't that he had a ticket, it's the telling Auburn one thing and doing the other.

I agree. Cecil seems to have a tough time keeping his nose clean; when confronted, his first impulse is to lie. I intended to bring up the BCS NCG ticket oddity as an illustration of Cecil STILL acting like NCAA rules are more like guidelines.