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I swear, two years ago there were about a dozen or so Browns fans on this site...I know we did not make the playoffs (again), but damn.

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Originally posted 07:58 AM ET  01.14 by LowCountryBrownsFan

I swear, two years ago there were about a dozen or so Browns fans on this site...I know we did not make the playoffs (again), but damn.

There's not many ANY TEAM'S fans left here. Trolls and spammers are taking over this place, making it not worth the hassle. The spammers are eating up space with their garbage, trolls are reporting abuse on comments that are here, mods are deleting those comments, and people are going elsewhere.

There are new boards going up all the time that I don't even bother with commenting on. Like who cares about Favre's sister? Does she look more like a man than Favre does?.........Or Jen Stergerberger, or whatever her name is.....I have no interest in those, and I'm likely not the only one.

But, insofar as the Browns are concerned, I have not seen them play......yet........but from what replays I've seen and things I've read, they seem to be going in the right direction. Good luck.

I agree with your assessmet Bull....sucks because there used to be a lot of quality posts from some pretty cool guys...the shmucks on the message boards on Cleveland sites are 99% full of homers that cannot look outside their own point of view...aahh, nevermind no one's listening anyway. Go Browns!

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Originally posted 09:07 AM ET  01.14 by TnerB57

As an OC, I never had any issue with his play-calling, or the scheme in general, my only disappointments came from the lack of a vertical game, but that was more of a personnel problem than a coaching one.

Well, I guess not much will change in the veritcal department in Cleveland until they get a downfield threat at WR.

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LCBF , ....good luck with your new coach this year !........hopefully the holmgren/shurmur show doesn't turn into another ''comedy'' ! ; )

Thanks...fingers crossed.

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Originally posted 08:57 AM ET  01.14 by LowCountryBrownsFan

I agree with your assessmet Bull....sucks because there used to be a lot of quality posts from some pretty cool guys...the shmucks on the message boards on Cleveland sites are 99% full of homers that cannot look outside their own point of view...aahh, nevermind no one's listening anyway. Go Browns!

I used to go to dallascowboys.com and comment there, but like you said, there are so many rabid idiots with their minds made up and don't want to be confused with facts, it made it worthless to try and carry on any decent conversation or exchange ideas and opinions. Someone is always calling another derogatory names and heated arguments, and such.

Yes, someone is listening and commenting, although I know little about the Browns........lol.......I'm always in and out of here, doing honey do's and such, but I will usually reply IF I don't miss it. Sometimes I do.

You're a good man, Bull. Always like to read you threads/comments. Good luck with the Garret era in Dallas, too.

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good luck with the shiny new head coach LCB, I hope he works out for the browns.

Can't wait to get him out of the box and see how he works....what!? Batteries not included??!!

LCBF



I was a little disappointed with our Browns coaching selection, I though they should have went after someone with some HC experience. Oh well, Holmgren's track record speaks for itself, I just want the franchise to FINALLY get going in the right direction!


GO BROWNS!

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Originally posted 09:49 AM ET  01.14 by LowCountryBrownsFan

You're a good man, Bull. Always like to read you threads/comments. Good luck with the Garret era in Dallas, too.

Thanks...........lol.........Garrett played for Jimmy Johnson, and hopefully he learned a few things about coaching and talent evaluations..........we will see.

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Mike Holmgren had no head coaching experience when the Packers signed him and he led them to two Super Bowls.

Great point. Never thought of that!

Cleveland has gone about every route out there to find a coach in the last 12 years, so all those theories about HC experience, offensive guy defensive guy, player's coach, etc are out the window for me...they've tried all of that already. I just hope we found THE GUY.

As others have pointed out we finally have a front office and a head coach who are of the same school so that's promising. The history of Browns have been head coaches who coach one way yet draft and sign players who fit completely different systems.

Chris Palmer and Dwight Clark - Set the tone for things. Clark was a 49ers West Coast guy all the way. Chris Palmer used the Joe Gibbs/Don Coryell system. Tim Couch could have been a great QB in a Coryell system but he was immobile and the Browns never drafted an O-Lineman high. Clark, coming from the 49ers always drafted a lot of WRs. In the WCO you can get away with poor pass protection for a little while at least with QB mobility and quick timing throws (see the Eagles). But they didn't have the right QB for that attack.

Butch Davis - Actually knew his system and drafted accordingly. He was just a horrible evaluator of talent, see Gerard Warren over Richard Seymour or LaDanian Tomlinson.

Phil Savage/Romeo Crennel - Takes the cake why these guys were thinking. Savage had some experience with the Hoodie so this should have been a perfect match. First thing out of the gate, instead of grabbing a defensive player or a team guy, they grab a prima dona WR. Edwards didn't even fit the mold for Patriots style receiver. With the exception of Randy Moss, the Pats use small fast WRs to spread the D. Then they allowed Baltimore to grab Ngata when D-Line was vital to their defensive schemes. The one time they were successful they switched offensive philosophies and brought in a Coryell guy. When they switched back to a Pats style offense it all came apart.

Mangini - His first mistake was not bringing Shottenheimer with him as OC. The Browns personnel at that time was pretty good. But Mangini wanted to blow everything up. Out went Edwards and Winslow. They doubled down on the Pats style offense. Once again they went with big receivers, this time guys who were slow. No power running backs to back up an aging Jamal Lewis. Yet again the HC got in his own way with personnel and style of offense.

hope 13 is your lucky #

Well at first I was saying to myself who the heck is this guy? How can this be a upgrade from a HC that won 10 games in 2 yrs to a guy that won 8 games in 2 yrs as a OC. I really wanted a guy to come in with some wins under his belt. But I have put my trust into MH to rebuild this team. So I guess MH knows what is best for the team. I think he will do a good job as long as he hires some good OC and DC. Plus Colt will benefit from running the WC offence sents that is what he ran in college.

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Originally posted 07:58 AM ET  01.14 by LowCountryBrownsFan

I swear, two years ago there were about a dozen or so Browns fans on this site...I know we did not make the playoffs (again), but damn.

It sure sounds like you were complaining about a lack of comments after 12 minutes early in the morning while everybody lucky enough to have a job is at work, damn. Just yanking your chain, you are right, a lot of old names have moved on or just check in every few months.

I have been withholding comment until I knew more about Shurmur. I just watched the press conferences about the firing and hiring of the head coach at the Browns web site. I was not at all confident that hiring one of the bigger name coaches would have been the right fit with MH running things. I do think that the Shurmur hire will have everyone on the same page. I also like the fact that he looks at himself as a teacher.

There are quite a few variables that will play into how successful he will be as head coach of the Browns. NFL strike/lockout, how successful Heckert is acquiring the right players, and what assistant coaches / coordinators are hired or retained. Overall, I am confident that we are moving in the right direction quicker than we were with the last several hires.

I hope Colt McCoy makes some noise for you guys next year....