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January 30, 2011, 09:32 AM
Could someone explain to me, How can USC have 26 football commits but they can only sign 15 for each of the next 3 years?
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January 30, 2011  12:27 PM ET

The same way Alabama can have 32 when they can only sign 28 and/or keep 85.

Because the NCAA lets them.

January 30, 2011  01:39 PM ET

SEC schools have been running a junior-college minor league program for years. You park your player in jr. colleges to see if they get better. Total violation of the 85 player limit...

...but we all know how CONSISTENT the NCAA is in its rulings.

January 30, 2011  01:41 PM ET

As for the USC Toejams,

It seems to me that having fewer scholarships would attract top-flight recruits. The recruits know they won't have much competition for playing time.

January 30, 2011  01:44 PM ET
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Could someone explain to me, How can USC have 26 football commits but they can only sign 15 for each of the next 3 years?

Actually, yes. USC is appealing the penalty. There is an NCAA rule that, while on appeal of a penalty, the school does not have to comply with the penalty. In essence, if USC loses the appeal, the clock THEN starts on the recruiting cap next season.

Lane & Co have only delayed the inevitable. Smart move to try an bring in a big class to survive through the lean years. And that is probably how he is selling it. These kids are going to be the last major class so experience 3-4 years of starting.

January 30, 2011  01:45 PM ET

Mandel did a nice article on it.
http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2011/writers/stewart_mandel/01/24/usc.rec ruiting/index.html

January 30, 2011  01:51 PM ET

Nine are already attending classes. They count against last year's recruiting class, which was way under the 25 player limit. That leaves 17 to apply toward this year's limit.

Last weekend, USC filed an appeal with the NCAA requesting that the sanctions be reduced from 15/year to 20. Until the NCAA rules on the appeal, USC can continue to recruit as usual. If the ruling goes against them, they will be forced to have a very small recruiting class next season to stay within the 75 player overall limit.

January 30, 2011  06:27 PM ET

Thanks guys, (except Dr B-F-G Comparison doesn't explain.) It makes more sense now.

January 30, 2011  08:28 PM ET
QUOTE(#3):

SEC schools have been running a junior-college minor league program for years. You park your player in jr. colleges to see if they get better. Total violation of the 85 player limit......but we all know how CONSISTENT the NCAA is in its rulings.

How is that a violation? If they are in JUCO, they aren't with your team and JUCO players sign with teams other than the ones that initially committed with all the time.

January 30, 2011  08:37 PM ET
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How is that a violation? If they are in JUCO, they aren't with your team and JUCO players sign with teams other than the ones that initially committed with all the time.

This is because everyone still thinks the problem is over-signing when it's really only a symptom of the problem. Universities should be more committed to the players they sign. Then they wouldn't over-sign near as much. This has to do with scholarship rules not recruiting.

January 31, 2011  02:53 AM ET
QUOTE:

Could someone explain to me, How can USC have 26 football commits but they can only sign 15 for each of the next 3 years?

Could someone explain to me, how can a semi-voluntary association tell a private University how many athletic scholarships can be handed out and how many of those students can play on the football team?

January 31, 2011  09:14 AM ET
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Could someone explain to me, how can a semi-voluntary association tell a private University how many athletic scholarships can be handed out and how many of those students can play on the football team?

And then help explain how the IRS thingy works!

January 31, 2011  10:11 AM ET
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Could someone explain to me, how can a semi-voluntary association tell a private University how many athletic scholarships can be handed out and how many of those students can play on the football team?

Very easily. The NCAA says, "You want to compete in sports with our consortium of teams? Fine, but you have to play by our rules. If you don't play by our rules, you can't play any of our teams."

USC is free to leave the NCAA. They can then have 200 football players on scholarship and play the University of Phoenix and DeVry every year.

January 31, 2011  12:16 PM ET
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and play the University of Phoenix and DeVry every year.

SEC fans just phoned their ADs with a great idea for future OOC game opportunities :)

January 31, 2011  12:57 PM ET
QUOTE(#14):

SEC fans just phoned their ADs with a great idea for future OOC game opportunities :)

...as long as they don't demand a home-and-home...

January 31, 2011  03:59 PM ET
QUOTE(#14):

SEC fans just phoned their ADs with a great idea for future OOC game opportunities :)

B I N G O. LOL

January 31, 2011  04:40 PM ET
QUOTE(#16):

B I N G O. LOL

Well, we don't get to play Washington State every year. :)

January 31, 2011  04:59 PM ET
QUOTE(#14):

SEC fans just phoned their ADs with a great idea for future OOC game opportunities :)

I hear Univ of Phoenix has a really nice stadium. Don't they play some important game there sometimes?

January 31, 2011  05:01 PM ET
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Well, we don't get to play Washington State every year. :)

And we don't get kentuck or vandy either.

 
January 31, 2011  06:51 PM ET
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And we don't get kentuck or vandy either.

Within the last 3 years, both Vanderbilt and Kentucky have went to a bowl and won it. You have to go back 7 years since Washington State went to a bowl game. And wow, they won it. Since then, every single year has been a losing record except 1 that was an even 6-6 record.

I'd say both Vandy and Kentucky are tougher than Washington State in most years.

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