NCAAF  > General NCAAF  > PLAYOFFS IN ................. BCS OUT
April 22, 2011, 10:51 PM
With the Fiesta, Orange and several more bowls facing dire consequences as a result of corruption allegations, we can now say that the fans and the universities will soon be freed of the yoke of BCS. For years, we have puzzled why playoffs, a logical, entertaining and honest format has been relegated to oblivion.

Our protests of personal agendas in the bowls, local governments and the NCAA have met with derision. We are now seeing the stark corruption that has robbed university athletic departments of much needed funds and the fans of superb competition from deserving teams and a true #1, fully revealed
April 22, 2011  11:14 PM ET

Undestand the Fiesta issue...can you provide a link for "Orange and several more bowls"?

April 22, 2011  11:24 PM ET

Where is Lady Bird? LB almost starts to make sense on this topic,, almost i say.
A sport without a playoff can never be complete. It leaves us wondering every time.

April 22, 2011  11:54 PM ET

I think you are mistaken on who the BCS is.

The BCS is not some anonymous organization that reins over college football. It is a consortium of the D1A conferences and is pretty much controlled by the Big 6 conferences (Big10, SEC, Big XII, Pac10, ACC and Big East, more or less in that order.)

Far from being held hostage by the BCS bowls, the conference commissioners, university presidents and ADs are very much in bed with them.

The corruption allegations you refer to included boondoggle trips like cruises (Orange Bowl Summer Splash) and golf/spa weekends (Fiesta Bowl Frolic). The bowls sponsored these boondoggles for university presidents and athletic directors.

Here is the Fiesta Bowl report describing the Fiesta Frolic (page 193)

The event takes place during the first week of May each year and its invitation list includes all Football Bowl Subdivision (a.k.a. as Division I) football head coaches, athletic directors, and conference commissioners



Another example from the report (page 199) was a $100k celebrity golf foursome with Jack Nicklaus paid for by the Fiesta Bowl.

the attendees of the (golf) foursome were supposed to be Nicklaus, John Compton (President of Frito-Lay), Kevin Weiberg (Big 12 Commissioner), and Mark Womack (SEC Senior Associate Commissioner).


The $100k golf outing with Jack Nic

April 23, 2011  12:01 AM ET
QUOTE(#1):

Undestand the Fiesta issue...can you provide a link for "Orange and several more bowls"?

Here is an article about the Orange Bowl cruises.

To promote South Florida's signature college football game, the Orange Bowl Committee last June hosted a weekend getaway for dozens of college athletic directors



Nearly $1.2 million on unspecified "entertainment" and "catering" at the Orange Bowl committee in 2009.

$472,627 on "gifts" at the Orange Bowl committee in 2008.



The source is Playoff PAC, who clearly have an agenda on this. Still, I think the allegations are probably accurate.

April 23, 2011  12:16 AM ET

It is very probable that in the next 30 days, the Orange and Sugar will be fully exposed. Good reference articles are Andy Staples SI 3/30/11, Business Insider 3/31/11, USA Today 4/22/11 and Forbes March. That will occur to facilitate individual legal action. The bottom line after this all washes out will be an overhaul of Bowl games in general. This will permit a playoff system to incorporate certain of those in their format (quarters, semis and final)

April 23, 2011  04:29 AM ET
QUOTE(#5):

It is very probable that in the next 30 days, the Orange and Sugar will be fully exposed. Good reference articles are Andy Staples SI 3/30/11, Business Insider 3/31/11, USA Today 4/22/11 and Forbes March. That will occur to facilitate individual legal action. The bottom line after this all washes out will be an overhaul of Bowl games in general. This will permit a playoff system to incorporate certain of those in their format (quarters, semis and final)

I may be wrong, but you seem to be saying that--
1. In the next 30 days the bowls will be disgraced,
2. which will lead to an overhaul of the bowl system,
3. which will result in adoption of a playoff in a particlular format.

Even if investigations into the BCS bowls prove to be more smoke than fire, it doesn't mean the end of the BCS bowls. From my meager understanding of where the money goes, the conferences get a much bigger piece of the pie to split with the BCS than they would if the NCAA were directly involved with a playoff. IMO if the Fiesta, Orange and/or Sugar bowls were too tainted to continue, other venues would take their place and the BCS would endure. The conferences would see to it.

It's not like the whole country wants a definitive outcome for national champion. Many people argue that a playoff cheapens the importance of the regular season and many others argue a playoff is no more accurate than the BCS in determining the true champion. So even if the BCS went away, it doesn't ensure a playoff will take its place.

I've seen almost as many different proposed formats for a playoff as there are posters on these boards. I don't believe the NCAA has ever publicly acknowledged a model for a playoff, so how do you know it would include quarters, semis and final?

No one wants a playoff more than I do, but assuming a playoff is the natural product of a little scandal for the bowls seems to be a bunch of noise. I may be wrong, in which case I'll owe you an apology, but I don't see any of this happening.

April 23, 2011  08:54 AM ET
QUOTE(#6):

From my meager understanding of where the money goes, the conferences get a much bigger piece of the pie to split with the BCS than they would if the NCAA were directly involved with a playoff.

TOT, while I agree with most of your analysis, I have to disagree only on the $$$. (Unless you only mean the AQ conferences.) This is probably the only time the decision is not primarily controlled by $$$. This one isn't about $$$ with ADs and College Presidents. IT'S ALL ABOUT CONTROL BY A FEW SCHOOLS. Control by a few schools from Big 10 and SEC mainly but you could put schools from the PAC 10 and Big 12 in there too. Big East, ACC and the non AQ conferences do not have any schools in their conferences that are able to exert such control. Notre Dame is the only other school exerting the referenced control.

Below is the statement from Staples article. He has referenced many times that study after study show how much more $$$$ would be generated in the playoff.

"If you read this space often, you know I believe the BCS is the college football equivalent of OPEC and that university presidents are fiscally irresponsible for leaving hundreds of millions of playoff TV rights fee dollars on the table so a particular group of schools can maintain control of the sport."

April 23, 2011  09:52 AM ET
QUOTE(#7):

TOT, while I agree with most of your analysis, I have to disagree only on the $$$. (Unless you only mean the AQ conferences.) This is probably the only time the decision is not primarily controlled by $$$. This one isn't about $$$ with ADs and College Presidents. IT'S ALL ABOUT CONTROL BY A FEW SCHOOLS. Control by a few schools from Big 10 and SEC mainly but you could put schools from the PAC 10 and Big 12 in there too. Big East, ACC and the non AQ conferences do not have any schools in their conferences that are able to exert such control. Notre Dame is the only other school exerting the referenced control. Below is the statement from Staples article. He has referenced many times that study after study show how much more $$$$ would be generated in the playoff. "If you read this space often, you know I believe the BCS is the college football equivalent of OPEC and that university presidents are fiscally irresponsible for leaving hundreds of millions of playoff TV rights fee dollars on the table so a particular group of schools can maintain control of the sport."

DC...how do you really feel? Don't hold anything back...LOL

Honestly I agree with you, but I would include all the AQ conferences. It is not just a few schools from the Big 10 and SEC, but big-time for some schools in the Big XII and PAC 12.

But that's just my opinion.

April 23, 2011  11:17 AM ET

Troy ............ I believe disgraced is a bit strong but internal overhaul yes, and some people might even be in trouble with the law. I am all for bowls and I think they should definitely be incorporated in the 1A playoff format.

The FCS format has been an overwhelming success. Keep it simple and efficient. The only departure from that procedure would be to include 7 bowls in the Q, SF, F. I would keep the Rose as a permanent fixture for the final and rotate the others. You will see some extraordinary matchups and highly competitive contests, not like some of the dogs we've had to watch in years past. Also, in the first round, what a gas to see a Texas go up to An Arbor and play in 20 degree weather!

To your point of more smoke than fire, misapropriation of funds and lavish payouts go far beyond a little scandal. There will be consequences because the public has had enough of this crap going on many venues under their collective nose.

April 23, 2011  01:36 PM ET
QUOTE(#7):

He (Staples) has referenced many times that study after study show how much more $$$$ would be generated in the playoff.

I agree for the most part that the AQ conferences still are in control of the purse strings. The bigger piece of the pie I was referring to comes from an explanation on here a couple months ago about how a playoff would have to generate 6 times the money of the BCS for the AQ conferences to show the same profit. In the short version this is due to the fact the NCAA, which currently gets nothing from the BCS, would take half of all revenue from a playoff, and force the AQs to equally share the rest with the little guys.

So, while a playoff may be more lucrative for all concerned, as go the AQs, so goes the rest of FBS. And right now the AQ's have a sweeter deal with the BCS than a playoff can provide.

April 23, 2011  02:45 PM ET
QUOTE(#12):

And right now the AQ's have a sweeter deal with the BCS than a playoff can provide.

Exactly, which is what they want to continue to control.

April 23, 2011  02:50 PM ET
QUOTE(#10):

DC...how do you really feel? Don't hold anything back...LOLHonestly I agree with you, but I would include all the AQ conferences. It is not just a few schools from the Big 10 and SEC, but big-time for some schools in the Big XII and PAC 12.But that's just my opinion.

Default, I used to think the same but I have changed my mind. You still may be right. I think loyalty will give way to money if this trend continues. I don't think the Washington States, Kansas States, Northwesterns, Vanderbilts of the world really have any BCS clout (other than attached to the biggies in their conferences) and would be dropped like hot potatoes if the USCs, UTxs, tOSUs and Bama's of the world formed super conferences with astronomical $$$ available they wouldn't have to share.

Maybe the loyalties are stronger than I think but they sure don't act like it. Aggy and OU acted like they were mad at UTx but they would do the same given the chance.

April 23, 2011  02:56 PM ET
QUOTE(#11):

You will see some extraordinary matchups and highly competitive contests, not like some of the dogs we've had to watch in years past.

True this...many of the big bowls really have not been that appealing lately, i.e. OU/UConn in the Fiesta last year. Others may have found some appealing but I didn't. I thought the Rose Bowl was the only attractive one of the biggies last year. I wasn't interested in tOUS/Arky nor VaTech/Stanford much less the Fiesta.

April 23, 2011  03:27 PM ET
QUOTE(#14):

Default, I used to think the same but I have changed my mind. You still may be right. I think loyalty will give way to money if this trend continues. I don't think the Washington States, Kansas States, Northwesterns, Vanderbilts of the world really have any BCS clout (other than attached to the biggies in their conferences) and would be dropped like hot potatoes if the USCs, UTxs, tOSUs and Bama's of the world formed super conferences with astronomical $$$ available they wouldn't have to share.Maybe the loyalties are stronger than I think but they sure don't act like it. Aggy and OU acted like they were mad at UTx but they would do the same given the chance.

True this....my point was it wasn't just the Big 10 and SEC....tho perhaps that wasn't what you meant either.

At any rate, it isn't ALL the teams in the conferences, but just the "big boys"...folks like U$C, Oregon, TU, OU, TAMU, Bama, Aubie, Arky, tOSU, Wisky, PSU, etc

April 23, 2011  03:46 PM ET
QUOTE(#16):

True this....my point was it wasn't just the Big 10 and SEC....tho perhaps that wasn't what you meant either. At any rate, it isn't ALL the teams in the conferences, but just the "big boys"...folks like U$C, Oregon, TU, OU, TAMU, Bama, Aubie, Arky, tOSU, Wisky, PSU, etc

Exactly...and those pesky Irish!

Sending you an FN. Need some local knowledge.

April 23, 2011  06:12 PM ET

BCS > any type of playoff system

A playoff system does nothing, but create more problems and solve nothing

April 23, 2011  07:11 PM ET

Cuban ................. Please explain, I would like to hear your reasoning why you give a thumbs down to the playoffs. Remember that the NCAA is totally behind basket, baseball, tennis, FCS and a myriad of other playoff venues in their bailiwick. Why are they outsourcing Div 1A? A writer described this as Roger Goodell relinquishing control of the Super Bowl to John Gotti. The only downside of the playoffs will be a lack of pockets for these corrupt folk to dig their hands into.

I highly recommend commentary on the subject at Rivals.com, Yahoo Sports 3/30/11. The writer makes some very pertinent observations.

April 23, 2011  07:43 PM ET
QUOTE(#18):

BCS > any type of playoff system A playoff system does nothing, but create more problems and solve nothing

I can never understand this point of view. How do you know if you never try, the current system is a lie and has been for 100 plus years now.
And you call yourself a fan,, dont you want a long **** drawn out smash mouth, head to head,, best of the best killer playoff season?! I DO !!! And I am a die hard ND fan,, go figure.

 
April 23, 2011  07:55 PM ET
QUOTE(#20):

I can never understand this point of view. How do you know if you never try, the current system is a lie and has been for 100 plus years now.And you call yourself a fan,, dont you want a long **** drawn out smash mouth, head to head,, best of the best killer playoff season?! I DO !!! And I am a die hard ND fan,, go figure.

Good point Van. I can't understand it either. I guess if you really do not want a true national champion crowned there is no reason for a playoff. Those anti playoff people do not want it totally decided on the field.

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