NCAAF  > General NCAAF  > USC Coach McNair sues NCAA
June 9, 2011, 07:03 PM
On Friday, June 3, former USC assistant coach Todd McNair filed suit against the NCAA alleging that the collegiate athletics governing body wrongfully caused him to lose his job with the Trojans because of punishment handed down last June in the Reggie Bush case.

The suit seeks unspecified damages for libel, slander, breach of contract and four other alleged offenses. It also takes issue with the one-sided examination policy established by the NCAA, which doesn't allow those targeted by investigations to cross-examine witnesses used.

McNair denies that he knew about the relationship between Bush and Lloyd Lake, a sports marketing agent, and claims that the NCAA itself committed misconduct in the process of its investigation.
June 9, 2011  08:01 PM ET

That would be former USC Coach McNair.

Just when I thought this mess was finally in the rear-view mirror. It will be interesting to see if Reggie finally has to testify.

June 9, 2011  08:42 PM ET

Oh for God's sake. SEriously, put your freaking man pants on and get over it already.

June 9, 2011  08:54 PM ET
QUOTE(#2):

Oh for God's sake. SEriously, put your freaking man pants on and get over it already.

Are you talking to me, or is that just general frustration?

June 9, 2011  08:54 PM ET
QUOTE(#3):

Are you talking to me, or is that just general frustration?

No way, my dear! Talking to McNair. LOL

June 9, 2011  10:49 PM ET
QUOTE(#2):

Oh for God's sake. SEriously, put your freaking man pants on and get over it already.

I don't know. The NCAA hit McNair with a 2 year Show Cause penalty, which means that no NCAA school can hire him without the NCAA's permission during the next two years. He is unemployable in his profession for at least two years, maybe forever.

So there is real money at stake here for McNair.

Now, it may be true that the NCAA was right, and McNair knew all about Bush's dealings. If so, then the Show Cause is completely justifiable, McNair got what he deserved, and his case will get tossed by the courts.

But if McNair can show that he got railroaded by the NCAA in their effort to prove that someone at USC knew what Bush was up to, he might have a case.

June 10, 2011  01:48 AM ET
QUOTE(#5):

But if McNair can show that he got railroaded by the NCAA in their effort to prove that someone at USC knew what Bush was up to, he might have a case.

This case could cut both ways for either side.

Through subpoenas the NCAA could find out everything they've been wanting to know but were unable to ask Bush and Lake under oath. If there is corroborated testimony to show the NCAA's suspicions were correct, new disclosures could be especially embarrassing to Bush and/or Carroll and his staff in addition to permanently damaging McNair's credibility.

On the other hand, the NCAA's conclusions against McNair are based on the statements of Mr. Lake. Even the phone records only have value based on Lake's account of what took place. If Lake is discredited, the NCAA's conclusions and the process used to draw those conclusions will become subject to the scrutiny of the courts. Not what the NCAA wants.

The third option is this lawsuit never goes to trial. McNair knows he can't handle the revealed truth and this is just a bluff that he intends to call off if the shakedown doesn't work.

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June 10, 2011  02:18 AM ET
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The suit seeks unspecified damages for libel, slander, breach of contract and four other alleged offenses.

Breach of contract against whom? USC?

June 11, 2011  01:50 PM ET
QUOTE(#5):

I don't know. The NCAA hit McNair with a 2 year Show Cause penalty, which means that no NCAA school can hire him without the NCAA's permission during the next two years. He is unemployable in his profession for at least two years, maybe forever.So there is real money at stake here for McNair.Now, it may be true that the NCAA was right, and McNair knew all about Bush's dealings. If so, then the Show Cause is completely justifiable, McNair got what he deserved, and his case will get tossed by the courts.But if McNair can show that he got railroaded by the NCAA in their effort to prove that someone at USC knew what Bush was up to, he might have a case.

Um, wasn't he the one who did something wrong as well? He isn't the first person to lose a job due to infractions. I get what you are saying but don't to the crime if you can't pay the time.
Now, if he can prove he wasn't alone on this...they more will fall.
I don't believe for one minute that all this was going on and no one knew.

June 11, 2011  07:44 PM ET

bring down the NCAA!

June 17, 2011  07:53 PM ET
QUOTE:

On Friday, June 3, former USC assistant coach Todd McNair filed suit against the NCAA alleging that the collegiate athletics governing body wrongfully caused him to lose his job with the Trojans because of punishment handed down last June in the Reggie Bush case.The suit seeks unspecified damages for libel, slander, breach of contract and four other alleged offenses. It also takes issue with the one-sided examination policy established by the NCAA, which doesn't allow those targeted by investigations to cross-examine witnesses used.McNair denies that he knew about the relationship between Bush and Lloyd Lake, a sports marketing agent, and claims that the NCAA itself committed misconduct in the process of its investigation.

I think that if the NCAA has the power to virtually ruin a person and their career, that decision should be held to a higher standard than the capricious nature of the usual NCAA rulings and punishment.

In other words before the NCAA is able to ruin a persons life they should have the same "burden of proof" that would exist in a real courtroom.

I am certainly no lawyer, but what I THINK that means: hearsay testimony like that of known felon Lloyd Lake would be subject to cross examination, HIS CHARACTER, RELIABILITY, MOTIVES AND SUCH BROUGHT INTO QUESTION, and to the extent possible (I know, the NCAA has no power to enforce this) the person could be held liable for perjury, possibly restricting their contact with players or whatever punishment the NCAA legally has at it's disposal.

I think it should also mean that the accused should have the right to a jury of their peers (a coaches board from which jurors could be selected?).

The right to tell their side of the story, to point out mistakes (such as LL and the NCAA confusing the year, the NCAA finding Todd Mcnair guilty in large part because he answered NO when asked if he spoke to LL in Jan-Feb OF 2006. In fact, he did NOT, and was never asked that question about 2005. He spoke to LL in 2005 and answered truthfully about 2006.) That mistake and it's follow on judgement that TM was lying would, I think, be enough to get the case tossed in real court.

And Pro'lly a buncha other stuff I didn't think of. BOTTOM LINE: IN THE RAL JUSTICE SYSTEM THE CASE AGAINST TODD MCNAIR WOULD HAVE BEEN LAUGHABLE!!!

Not just cuz I am a USC fan, but beause I have seen the way the NCAA operates, it would please me greatly to see TM bring about forced changes in the way the NCAA does biz, and possibly even a few heads roll.

And like Mr. Cannabis just said, the demise of the NCAA WOULD NOT DISTURB ME IN THE LEAST!

June 17, 2011  08:08 PM ET
QUOTE(#2):

Oh for God's sake. SEriously, put your freaking man pants on and get over it already.

Hmmm, if someone UNJUSTLY ruined your career and any chance at gainful employment in your chosen profession you'd just put your "man pant's" on and "get over it already"?

That sounds more like the chicken shat way to handle it IMHO. If someone did that to me and I knew I was innocent (or at least there was no evidence of guilt, which is a fact), I'd go for their throat no doubt about it.

I know you dislike USC and think they are as crooked as TOSU, but seriously look at this one objectively if you can.

Or maybe your right, he should "man up" and get himself a new career at Micky D's. Yeah, that's my version of being a man. Let peeps get away with dis'n you and your integrity, and when they make a fool of you in public, take away your livlihood (in other words punk the **** out of you), put on your man pant(ies) and walk away without a word in your own defense. Real man description if I ever heard one.

June 17, 2011  08:19 PM ET
QUOTE(#6):

This case could cut both ways for either side. Through subpoenas the NCAA could find out everything they've been wanting to know but were unable to ask Bush and Lake under oath. If there is corroborated testimony to show the NCAA's suspicions were correct, new disclosures could be especially embarrassing to Bush and/or Carroll and his staff in addition to permanently damaging McNair's credibility. On the other hand, the NCAA's conclusions against McNair are based on the statements of Mr. Lake. Even the phone records only have value based on Lake's account of what took place. If Lake is discredited, the NCAA's conclusions and the process used to draw those conclusions will become subject to the scrutiny of the courts. Not what the NCAA wants. The third option is this lawsuit never goes to trial. McNair knows he can't handle the revealed truth and this is just a bluff that he intends to call off if the shakedown doesn't work.

Like I said, I'm no lawyer, but I assume this is a civil not criminal case. I don't know anything about the difs except burden of proof type stuff.

But seriously how can it get worse for USC or Mcnair? O sure, maybe from an embarassment perspective, but how much more out of work can you be than TM is now? As far as USC the NCAA can't do anything they haven't already done. The only thing they CAN do, and they are very good at it, is hold a grudge and give Troy the ol Ben Dover treatment worse than they did this time (if possible) the next opportunity the get (or manufacture).

Amazes me that most peeps still have a modicum of faith/trust in the NCAA. I lost that years ago as the NCAA persued Tark the Shark like he was a rabid Skunk.

June 17, 2011  09:03 PM ET
QUOTE(#9):

Um, wasn't he the one who did something wrong as well? He isn't the first person to lose a job due to infractions. I get what you are saying but don't to the crime if you can't pay the time. Now, if he can prove he wasn't alone on this...they more will fall. I don't believe for one minute that all this was going on and no one knew.

The REAL question is did he do something wrong? You seem to concude it has been proven that he did, and therefore all the crime/time hyperbole.

Have you ever stopped to actually weigh the evidence, to consider the NCAA had to have a fall guy?

THE ENTIRE BASIS OF THE NCAA'S CONCLUSION AGAINST TM is the version of a undisputed phone call by a convicted felon who got twisted up in his own account of the phone call more than 1 time.

Have you ever listened to TM's version of the contents of the phone call? That Reggie was s'posed to be hosting a VERY important recruit (Percy Havin I believe) and Bush was a no-show? There is actual EVIDENCE to support those important details. and that the number TM called was one RB gave him in case of emergency. Just so happens it belonged to LL.

They were at a party, and even if TM DID know RB had taken illegal benefeits, what would be the purpose of calling LL in the middle of a party to discuss those IB's? Just doesn't make logical sense to me; "Hey Lloyd, Yeah I just called to tell you that yes, we know Reg took some of your money. And we know he refused to pay it back. But you know what Biggie, his career at USC is already done so it's not like there's anything WE can do. If ya asked me you got fracked but never got Kissed".

On the other hand, TM's story DOES make sense. You got a 5 star recruit in Harvin, you really want to impress him by having the Heisman winner hangin with him, in fact you've promised him. And now Bush is a no show, blowing the whole deal if he doesn't get their ASAP? Not only that, but it's probably gonna be the Gators you lose him to.

Yeah, I'd be calling looking for Bush, and calling everyone who he'd ever known. May have gotten a few minor details wrong but ain't that the purpose of a court. To sort out your details and my details and see which ones axshully fit?

BTW, PEACE OUT Ms. G. It's Friday so I wish you a awesome W/E!

June 18, 2011  03:52 AM ET
QUOTE(#14):

BTW, PEACE OUT Ms. G. It's Friday so I wish you a awesome W/E!

You write a quad with a few thousand words to convince someone on FN her conclusions are all wrong, then you end it by suggesting she chill out and have a nice weekend. Who could argue with sugar-coating like that?

Really, what sort of response are you expecting?

June 22, 2011  02:25 PM ET
QUOTE(#15):

You write a quad with a few thousand words to convince someone on FN her conclusions are all wrong, then you end it by suggesting she chill out and have a nice weekend. Who could argue with sugar-coating like that? Really, what sort of response are you expecting?

The peace out was just letting MG know it was nothing personal, JMO.

And sorry about the size of my quad, I sometimes tend to get Verbose over subjects (USC, NCAA, BCS) that I am passionate one way or the other about.

Guess I didn't expect any particular kind of response.

June 22, 2011  02:30 PM ET
QUOTE(#14):

The REAL question is did he do something wrong? You seem to concude it has been proven that he did, and therefore all the crime/time hyperbole.Have you ever stopped to actually weigh the evidence, to consider the NCAA had to have a fall guy? THE ENTIRE BASIS OF THE NCAA'S CONCLUSION AGAINST TM is the version of a undisputed phone call by a convicted felon who got twisted up in his own account of the phone call more than 1 time.Have you ever listened to TM's version of the contents of the phone call? That Reggie was s'posed to be hosting a VERY important recruit (Percy Havin I believe) and Bush was a no-show? There is actual EVIDENCE to support those important details. and that the number TM called was one RB gave him in case of emergency. Just so happens it belonged to LL.They were at a party, and even if TM DID know RB had taken illegal benefeits, what would be the purpose of calling LL in the middle of a party to discuss those IB's? Just doesn't make logical sense to me; "Hey Lloyd, Yeah I just called to tell you that yes, we know Reg took some of your money. And we know he refused to pay it back. But you know what Biggie, his career at USC is already done so it's not like there's anything WE can do. If ya asked me you got fracked but never got Kissed".On the other hand, TM's story DOES make sense. You got a 5 star recruit in Harvin, you really want to impress him by having the Heisman winner hangin with him, in fact you've promised him. And now Bush is a no show, blowing the whole deal if he doesn't get their ASAP? Not only that, but it's probably gonna be the Gators you lose him to.Yeah, I'd be calling looking for Bush, and calling everyone who he'd ever known. May have gotten a few minor details wrong but ain't that the purpose of a court. To sort out your details and my details and see which ones axshully fit?BTW, PEACE OUT Ms. G. It's Friday so I wish you a awesome W/E!

BTW, I believe only 2 of the quad posts was directed at Ms. G., and they were each directed at 2 seperate posts.

 
June 22, 2011  02:31 PM ET

Whoops, quoted wron post, should have been quoting 15 not 14. MY BAD.

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