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June 22, 2011, 02:01 PM
Cam Newton and Terrelle Pryor???s careers have been clown mirror versions of one another. Slightly distorted but resemble one another in a prism. One was the #1 recruit in the nation. The other became the NFL???s #1 overall pick. Both were highly touted high school recruits out of high school but one was bigger. If ESPN???s 150 Recruiting Ranking was the cast of In Living Color, Terrelle Pryor was Damon Wayans and Cam Newton would have been a little known Fly Girl dancer named Jennifer Lopez.

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June 22, 2011  02:14 PM ET

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June 22, 2011  04:04 PM ET

Good article. IMHO neither are set up for great success at the NFL level. Will have to wait and see though.

It is funny that one is a top NFL pick and one is considered a 4th rounder though. Add in UW's Locker and you have 3 near clones coming into the NFL at one time.

June 23, 2011  03:18 PM ET

JLo is way better looking that Newton. Just my opinion though.

June 24, 2011  11:15 AM ET
QUOTE(#2):

Good article. IMHO neither are set up for great success at the NFL level. Will have to wait and see though.It is funny that one is a top NFL pick and one is considered a 4th rounder though. Add in UW's Locker and you have 3 near clones coming into the NFL at one time.

I think Locker is better than both of them...

June 24, 2011  11:52 AM ET
QUOTE(#4):

I think Locker is better than both of them...

Said the same thing a few weeks ago and quickly found out that most posters here disagree on that. Glad I am not the only one who came away from the Gruden interview with serious CN doubts.

June 24, 2011  12:57 PM ET
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Said the same thing a few weeks ago and quickly found out that most posters here disagree on that. Glad I am not the only one who came away from the Gruden interview with serious CN doubts.

just read that TP is going to go through the Gruden interview....that should be....entertaining?

June 24, 2011  01:22 PM ET
QUOTE(#6):

just read that TP is going to go through the Gruden interview....that should be....entertaining?

Yep, the most instructive part for me is when Gruden asks how the QB's can read a defense and how they set up the plays to exploit what is given. If they have trouble doing that at a NCAA level how on earth will they manage that at the NFL level of play?

June 24, 2011  01:37 PM ET
QUOTE(#2):

Good article. IMHO neither are set up for great success at the NFL level. Will have to wait and see though.It is funny that one is a top NFL pick and one is considered a 4th rounder though. Add in UW's Locker and you have 3 near clones coming into the NFL at one time.

I agree that neither are "set up for great success at the NFL level", but CN has all the tools. IF he is given time to develop (which I highly doubt), and he works his **** off learning to play under center and other things he now lacks, HE COULD BE A GREAT ONE.

And this is coming from, if you will, a 'hater'. Actually I don't hate atheletes, I don't even know 'em. A better description is a "disliker", which, IMO is my opinion and right. I think when peeps use that 'hater' tag to dis you they are being a hypocrite at best.

Anyway, what changed my mind on this subject (spread QB's in the NFL) is, oddly enough, Vince Young. I thought he would fall on his face and be out of the league by now (and I thought Matt L would be tearing it up). I also thought VY would be giving it his very best effort, but the 2 systems are just too dif.

What I HAVE seen is that VY put virtually no effort into his Titan QB role but still had a fair amount of success. If he had really put it on the line no tellin g how good he coulda been. To me CN is a carbon copy of VY (on the field) except for 1 important facet: he has a better arm and no probs with his mechanics.

Therefore, if CN is brought along at the right pace (like Aaron Rogers was) and puts forth his best effort I think he WILL be a great one, surpassing the successfull QB he is most like, Big Ben.

JMO

BTW, Cloest in style to CN and TP would be Kaepernick IMO, then Locker. So that would be 4 clones.

June 24, 2011  01:49 PM ET
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I agree that neither are "set up for great success at the NFL level", but CN has all the tools. IF he is given time to develop (which I highly doubt), and he works his **** off learning to play under center and other things he now lacks, HE COULD BE A GREAT ONE.And this is coming from, if you will, a 'hater'. Actually I don't hate atheletes, I don't even know 'em. A better description is a "disliker", which, IMO is my opinion and right. I think when peeps use that 'hater' tag to dis you they are being a hypocrite at best.Anyway, what changed my mind on this subject (spread QB's in the NFL) is, oddly enough, Vince Young. I thought he would fall on his face and be out of the league by now (and I thought Matt L would be tearing it up). I also thought VY would be giving it his very best effort, but the 2 systems are just too dif.What I HAVE seen is that VY put virtually no effort into his Titan QB role but still had a fair amount of success. If he had really put it on the line no tellin g how good he coulda been. To me CN is a carbon copy of VY (on the field) except for 1 important facet: he has a better arm and no probs with his mechanics.Therefore, if CN is brought along at the right pace (like Aaron Rogers was) and puts forth his best effort I think he WILL be a great one, surpassing the successfull QB he is most like, Big Ben.JMOBTW, Cloest in style to CN and TP would be Kaepernick IMO, then Locker. So that would be 4 clones.

You are right about Kapernick, forgot about him, but CN, TP, and JL are all built more solidly than Mr. Wolfpack. All 4 have great 40 times and mechanical/headwork issues.

I also have my doubts about injuries for all 4-its seems like its much harder for refs to protect franchise players out of the pocket.

Also like the part about time to develope. In this regard the other 3 are going to have it much easier than CN-a pick that high may feel a lot more pressure a lot quicker than TP will.

June 24, 2011  02:04 PM ET
QUOTE(#3):

JLo is way better looking that Newton. Just my opinion though.

JLo, I like it. What about Dalton Mr TCU? I think he could be a very good one but he is somewhat limited by arm strength. But then Again so was JoMo ;-), and he and the Niners had a bit of success.

Actually, my 'darkhorse' in all this is whole QB class is CKaepernick. 2nd most attempts (Dalton barely above), completion % about 65% with only Dalton and Newton at 66%. Again only Dalton and Newton had a lower int % (2.2% vs 1.9%). Same 2 above him in win%.

Measurables (40, vertical, 3 cone, 20 shuttle, and broad jump) at the combine were kinda split. CK had the best 40 but overall Locker showed the most athleticism, followed closely by CN (That's not contin Tyrod Taylor who blew them all away.)

June 24, 2011  02:34 PM ET
QUOTE(#9):

You are right about Kapernick, forgot about him, but CN, TP, and JL are all built more solidly than Mr. Wolfpack. All 4 have great 40 times and mechanical/headwork issues. I also have my doubts about injuries for all 4-its seems like its much harder for refs to protect franchise players out of the pocket.Also like the part about time to develope. In this regard the other 3 are going to have it much easier than CN-a pick that high may feel a lot more pressure a lot quicker than TP will.

Actually CK is not near the "stick" he was at one time. I think he put on a lot of muscle his last season, but I could be wrong (CK: 6-5, 233 (252 according to one source)... not bad IMO. Locker: 6-3, 231. CN: 6-5, 248. Dalton: 6-2, 215. Mallett: 6-7, 253. Ponder: 6-2, 229). In fact TOSU lists TP an inch taller (6'6") and the same weight (233) as CK. In fact CK was almost the identical height weight as Sam Bradford was after the draft

I agree any QB that spends too much time outside the pocket is an NFL injury risk. That's why I think one of the "success markers" is being able to overcome the temptation to tuck and run whenever their 1st read isn't open, and to go head 1st into a tackle to pick up the extra yard.

Steve Young should be their model, not Michael Vick.

June 24, 2011  05:58 PM ET

Yah, when talking QB's and Michael Vick, that dog just doesn't hunt....


OK sorry about that one. Didn't realize the bulk CK has put on, should serve him well in the NFL. Agree also about Dalton being the best prospect out of this year's group.

June 24, 2011  10:06 PM ET
QUOTE(#4):

I think Locker is better than both of them...

LOVE locker. I mean, he's cute... LOL!!! Nah, kidding. he is cute, but I think he's a great athlete.

June 27, 2011  03:40 PM ET
QUOTE(#7):

Yep, the most instructive part for me is when Gruden asks how the QB's can read a defense and how they set up the plays to exploit what is given. If they have trouble doing that at a NCAA level how on earth will they manage that at the NFL level of play?

what was telling to me was, how CN couldn't put into words how a play developed or how he was going to read it. I was impressed with both Locker and Dalton.

June 27, 2011  07:15 PM ET
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what was telling to me was, how CN couldn't put into words how a play developed or how he was going to read it. I was impressed with both Locker and Dalton.

It was easy...they just call a number and go with it....

LMAO....going to be interesting for him.

June 27, 2011  09:03 PM ET
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It was easy...they just call a number and go with it....LMAO....going to be interesting for him.

I hope he does OK, its just that he (and the other QBs that play a very simplified offense) have a fairly steep curve. IMHO its the modern equiv of option QBs.

 
June 28, 2011  01:00 PM ET
QUOTE(#15):

It was easy...they just call a number and go with it....LMAO....going to be interesting for him.

Haha yeah, I was just sitting there waiting for him to say something other than, "yeah they hold a sign with a number, and throw it to whose open"

So you are a pawn and have no clue how to read a defense....maybe you and the other #2 arent so different...

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