MMA  > General MMA  > Marquardt taking testosterone
June 28, 2011, 01:24 PM
Scumbag. He cheats and comes with with all of these excuses. Give me a break. Hope this clears up why Dana fired this clown now.

[1:00 p.m.] And here we go.

[1:06 p.m.] Helwani running through the show guest. Nate's here with his manager from Alchemist MMA Lex McMahon. Nate says he wasn't cleared to fight because of a situation he's dealt with since August. Feeling sluggish, horrible. Memory was off. Doctor did tests, which came back for low testosterone.

He went on testosterone therapy. Went to the UFC to discuss it. He went on treatment. Was on treatment until the first of this year. Applied for therapeutic-use exemption for fight against Dan Miller. Commission allowed it, but they wanted Nate to do tests after fight. Go off treatment for 8 weeks and take blood tests. Nate claims he went off treatment, took the three blood tests. Results came back and doctor wrote letter that said Nate had low testosterone and was a candidate for treatment.

Personal doctor recommended he go back on treatment. This is three weeks out from Story fight. Doctor recommended more aggressive treatment given proximity to the fight.

[1:10 p.m.] Doctor said treatment wouldn't be worth it if it wasn't more aggressive. Nate took treatment for two weeks. Took a blood test to make sure he was within normal range, but that test came back high (out of range). Nate started to panic.

McMahon notes that doctor told Nate to stop treatment to get back to normal levels, which he did.

Nate admits he should have requested testing earlier from his doctor. Nate took several tests the week of the fight, which showed his levels falling, but still above acceptable range. Close by weigh-in, but still above. At that point, the Pennsylvania commission told him he wouldn't be able to fight, put on suspension.

Nate took another blood test on the day of the fight, and his levels were within proper range.

McMahon notes that Marquardt didn't do anything that wasn't communicated to the UFC, athletic commissions.
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June 28, 2011  03:34 PM ET

So he did it legally, and then tried to do it legally again but over did it. Its not like he tried to hide it at all. He told Dana about it. Hell he told the commision about it and they o.k'd it!

Jim I think you are giving Nate such a hard time because you feel that him pulling out of the fight caused Story to lose.

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June 28, 2011  03:54 PM ET

It's debatable to believe his story or not but if you call him a cheat what does that make the UFC? The UFC and athletic commission allowed it for his fight against Miller. It seems they UFC and Pennsylvania commission would have allowed the same course of action this time but for the elevated testosterone levels with no pre-written explanation from a doctor. My question is if he took a test on the day of the fight and it was in normal range did he get the results certified and paper work done and handed to the Pennsylvania commission? Talking about this whole situation the executive director for the commission said that with the proper paper work Nate would've had his suspention lifted the next day. I know I may be foolish but I think I believe Marquardt and I'm willing to put his firing on the Dana White grand stand list.

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June 28, 2011  04:08 PM ET

Marquardt still suspended, but clearance paperwork received
Pennsylvania State Athletic Commissioner Greg Sirb told HeavyMMA.com on Tuesday morning that while Nate Marquardt is still currently suspended by the commission, he has received the paperwork from Marquardt's camp that, at least according to Marquardt, will verify that his testosterone levels are back to normal.

Sirb told HeavyMMA that he and his fellow board members will take a few days to go through the paperwork. The commissioner also told HeavyMMA that they were aware of Marquardt's situation for several weeks leading into the fight.

"It was an unfortunate situation for Nate, for everyone involved," Sirb told HeavyMMA.com. "Nate just couldn't get to the proper level in time."


Now if the commission reviews the paper work and it checks out then what? The comments from Sirb don't sound like he is talking about someone who was trying to hide something and got caught red handed.

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June 28, 2011  04:56 PM ET

Could he have been on steroids during this time period maybe? The facts are though that he told the commission he was on testosterone treatment they gave him all the time they could so he could get an acceptable level on the test. Surely they wouldn't do that for someone who is trying to deceive them? They take the test one more time where he is slightly above normal levels and have to suspend him. He takes the test the next day and is within range and submits results to the commission. I would be all over Marquardt as well but I've read too many quotes from Sirb who makes this whole thing sound like an accidental timing mishap instead of some nefarious scheme.

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June 28, 2011  05:24 PM ET

Now these quotes are from Sirb on Sunday

We gave him every opportunity," Sirb said. "The last report we got was 4 o'clock yesterday. We had given him as much leeway as we could, but obviously, when you've got a live event, you've got to make a call at that time," Sirb told MMAWeekly. "(It's) pretty straightforward stuff. You've got to meet these requirements, and there's no ifs, ands or buts about it. Unfortunately, he did not. I felt for the kid. I really did. He knew about it, and I think he was trying. He knew the situation," Sirb said. "There was no surprise. Everybody knew. I think everybody assumed he was going to be able to qualify."

I completely agree with you that its Nate's responsibility to have the proper paper work and be in physical condition to pass the various tests. Look at that last quote the commission assumed even with the extra waiting period he could pass the test unfortunately he didn't that deserved a suspension not a firing.

June 28, 2011  09:59 PM ET

So is this legal cheating with a doctors note?

June 28, 2011  10:26 PM ET
QUOTE(#15):

So is this legal cheating with a doctors note?

Basically. Its what Sonnen tried to use as his excuse but unsuccessfully

June 29, 2011  04:42 AM ET
QUOTE(#15):

So is this legal cheating with a doctors note?

The Lionel Hutz special.

"Testoterone Replacement Therapy" = Absurd Steroids Loophole

I have to say that it's pretty ridiculous when these guys that are young, fit, and ripped claim "low testoterone" and expect any sympathy.

I do know it's a real syndrome that some people suffer from, but it's generally older guys and if not, that's what specialized endocrinologists are for.
Nate had some random doc prescribing him roids. First it was the cream but then it was straight back to the "more agressive" therapy (i.e. standard Canseco injections in the ****) because Nate apparently was experiencing about fatigue.
Definitely not the right process to go through if it's a real condition. He was in trouble with both the Jersey and the Pennsylvania commissions for sloppy conformity to the process.

If Nate really does have low test, it's almost certainly because he messed up his body with his prior roid usage (which can have the side effect of shutting down your own nuts down from producing normal levels of hormones because your body is already getting a surplus from the juice).

Either way, the big thing is that Nate was main eventing - and it led to the UFC getting caught with their pants down 24 hours before the fight. Natually Dana was going to be pissed.

Dana isn't the most consistent guy in the world and has forgiven 'roiders before, but this is a bit of a double whammy case.

What I'd like to see is the UFC coming out with their own tough internal policy rather than relying on all the different state commissions who have slightly different rules and processes.
They've already taken one good step in the right direction in that they don't allow their fighters to "commission shop". If you get banned by one commission for some length of time, the UFC honors the ban rather than send the fighter to another state or overseas to fight (eg. Sonnen, Thiago Silva).
But the UFC needs to get more aggressive across the board on this before it turns into a PR nightmare like MLB had.

June 29, 2011  11:16 AM ET
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Basically. Its what Sonnen tried to use as his excuse but unsuccessfully

except that Marquardt has documentation where Sonnen doesn't and Sonnen tested 4 TIMES the acceptable level not just outside the standard range like Marquardt....if anything Marquardt is getting screwed because of honestly making the mistake that Sonnen tried to use to cheat with...Marquardt has tests and results and doctors supporting everything...Sonnen has nothing but claims and drug tests that are so far beyond acceptable that there is no possible way he could NOT be cheating...if not for Sonnen, this would not be much more than a sidenote.

June 29, 2011  11:22 AM ET
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The Lionel Hutz special."Testoterone Replacement Therapy" = Absurd Steroids Loophole I have to say that it's pretty ridiculous when these guys that are young, fit, and ripped claim "low testoterone" and expect any sympathy.I do know it's a real syndrome that some people suffer from, but it's generally older guys and if not, that's what specialized endocrinologists are for. Nate had some random doc prescribing him roids. First it was the cream but then it was straight back to the "more agressive" therapy (i.e. standard Canseco injections in the ****) because Nate apparently was experiencing about fatigue. Definitely not the right process to go through if it's a real condition. He was in trouble with both the Jersey and the Pennsylvania commissions for sloppy conformity to the process.If Nate really does have low test, it's almost certainly because he messed up his body with his prior roid usage (which can have the side effect of shutting down your own nuts down from producing normal levels of hormones because your body is already getting a surplus from the juice).Either way, the big thing is that Nate was main eventing - and it led to the UFC getting caught with their pants down 24 hours before the fight. Natually Dana was going to be pissed. Dana isn't the most consistent guy in the world and has forgiven 'roiders before, but this is a bit of a double whammy case. What I'd like to see is the UFC coming out with their own tough internal policy rather than relying on all the different state commissions who have slightly different rules and processes. They've already taken one good step in the right direction in that they don't allow their fighters to "commission shop". If you get banned by one commission for some length of time, the UFC honors the ban rather than send the fighter to another state or overseas to fight (eg. Sonnen, Thiago Silva). But the UFC needs to get more aggressive across the board on this before it turns into a PR nightmare like MLB had.

while it doesn't seem "kosher", that's a lot of speculation without any info...IF he actually has low testosterone, we can't accurately jump to conclusions about a cause...yeah, it could be due to prior roid use...or it could be legit and the only reason people are skeptical is because Sonnen recently tried to use it as an excuse for cheating so it's still fresh in everyone's minds....What we see as Sonnen getting popped and then Marquardt getting popped could very well be just a matter of Sonnen's story going public first....If Marquardt was popped first, there might be less suspicion...and then Sonnen's failed test and excuses would seem like he just stole the excuse from someone who actually has the problem....

 
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