St Louis Die Hards  > Group Message Board  > Holliday / Rasmus
July 9, 2011, 10:47 PM
All I know is it's a good thing they can hit.

Holliday is a mess in left, but can't replace his stick. Rasmus, sheer gold at times, but tonight, runner on second, fly to medium deep right center. He was under the ball and had nothing on the throw to second. It's the little things - and they add up.

Congrats Cruz in the walk double for the come from behind over the D-Backs.
July 11, 2011  11:34 PM ET

Have to agree that the outfield defense leaves a little to be desired. Holliday and Berkman are neither one stellar.....although Holliday is still an upgrade over Chris Duncan out there.

Colby looks gold glove caliber much of the time, but you're right, he does seem to have some mental lapses out there. Hopefully as he matures as a player those become fewer and farther between.

July 12, 2011  09:24 AM ET

How long is anyone willing to give Colby "time to mature"? He's been in the league for 3 years and still runs to Daddy Dearest about his hitting. He needs to grow a pair, tell Daddy Dearest to bug off and grow up

July 13, 2011  09:25 AM ET

Harsh, SGB! You haven't been pulling punches with anyone lately!! LOL

July 13, 2011  10:03 AM ET

I've been saying that for months about Colby but yeah, it might have been a bit harsh - truthful but harsh! LOL

Pain makes me cranky but I should be getting better about pulling my punches..........for most people! LOL

July 14, 2011  04:58 PM ET

So what does anyone think about trading Colby for pitching? Think we are ready for Jon Jay to take over in CF every day?

July 15, 2011  08:26 AM ET
QUOTE(#5):

So what does anyone think about trading Colby for pitching? Think we are ready for Jon Jay to take over in CF every day?

To be honest, I'm torn so I can't help you.

On one hand, I'd love to see Colby pull his head out and have a great second half. On the other hand, I doubt it will happen.

July 15, 2011  03:53 PM ET

I'd be okay with trading Rasmus for a good young pitcher but not for something middle of the road. It needs to be an impact pitcher if we trade Colby

July 20, 2011  09:36 AM ET

The latest I've heard is Bell and Barlett coming to STL for Rasmus and Westbrook.

That one doesn't make a lot of sense to me. First I'm not sure why the Cards seem to covet Bartlett. If you acquire him, what are you going to do with Theriot? He could move to second, but then you displace Skip and Descalso.

Personally, if you get Barlett, I wouldn't mind seeing Skip go in a deal for bullpen help. Then you could platoon Theriot and Descalso at second.

I'm still not sold on trading Colby, though.

July 21, 2011  09:08 AM ET

Mo keeps saying that he isn't trading Colby but with this club, nothing surprises me anymore.

Theriot is TLR's SS, although I haven't figured out why yet.

Looks like their plan of "all offense" has come back to bite them in the butt

July 21, 2011  04:00 PM ET

The offense is fine, but the pitching needs reinforcements. Bartlett would be a defensive upgrade over Theriot, but would provide a glut of middle infielders if you don't move somebody.

I still don't like surrendering Colby for Free Agent-to be Heath Bell.

July 21, 2011  07:52 PM ET
QUOTE(#10):

The offense is fine, but the pitching needs reinforcements. Bartlett would be a defensive upgrade over Theriot, but would provide a glut of middle infielders if you don't move somebody.I still don't like surrendering Colby for Free Agent-to be Heath Bell.

You are correct - the offense is fine but the defense could be much better.

I'm totally against trading Rasmus for a rental player. Whoever we get, if we trade him, has be under team control for the same amount of time as Colby for maybe a little more money but not a ton of money

July 21, 2011  08:04 PM ET

I would't mind trading Colby for the right combination of player. Problem is I don't now that that combination is available in the market. We need pitching. I don't see the logic behind a trade for Bartlett, middle infield is a weakness, but I don't see it as the major need here. Trading Rasmus might be able to help the team, but not for a 3 mounth rental and anouther infielder.

July 22, 2011  12:50 PM ET

If they are going to trade Rasmus, they need to look at Tampa Bay, and Hellickson. He would be under team control for a few years, and is Major League ready. We need Heath Bell, and I think if they got him, they would be able to structure a long term deal to keep him around...say a 2-3 year deal for 4-5 mil per. They'll have SOME money coming off the books next year, and a deal like that shouldn't deter them from getting a deal done with Pujols. Also, Berkman needs to be signed to another year, with a mutual option for a 2nd. I like the Bartlett idea only if we can move Skip/Theriot. Bartlett is a definite upgrade defensively. I know offensively he may not add much, but now that our offense is pretty much set, we need to focus on run prevention. Not really sure why Westbrook would even be involved in this deal. If San Diego wanted Westbrook, why didn't they just work out a deal with Cleveland last year, and Luddy would still be with the Cards. Doesn't make much sense to me, but JO-MO hasn't made much sense since he took over the club in 07. There are deals to be done. We need pitching and defense. The old adage that Pitching and Defense win Championships couldn't be more true. If a club can score 8-10 runs, but gives up 9-11, what good is the offense if the pitching and defense can't stop the other team from scoring.

July 24, 2011  01:28 PM ET

I agree that we would have to get someone young for Rasmus, but I've read that Tampa has no interest in moving Hellickson. I'd definitely want an impact starting pitcher if we are going to give up Colby.

I don't see any logic in trading Westbrook. He hasn't been great, but the rotation needs more depth, not less.

July 30, 2011  06:42 PM ET

and there you have it -- after Colby got hit by a batted ball with 2 on and 1 out you had to know his days as a Redbird were numbered.

The guy who wrote Fridat Night Lights wrote a book about the a 3 game weekend series when the Cubs were in town against the then Dusty Baker leads Cubs. LaRussa recent comments about keeping talent vs. leadership is him trying to put frosting on a bad situation. It just comes down to Rasmus not playing baseball to the Cardinal's organization level. Plain and simple.

Go Redbirds !!

 
July 31, 2011  12:36 PM ET

Good post, Happy. I think LaRussa views Colby in much the same light that he viewed J.D. Drew. Plenty of ability but not the desire to excel.

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