NCAAF  > General NCAAF  > Is the SEC the dirtiest conference?
July 13, 2011, 07:52 AM
Primer of discussion by the Gainesville Sun on the topic

Besides the Newton thing and the two headed violation monster at Tennessee, what have the colleges of the SEC done to deserve this reputation. With recent scandals at Ohio State, UNC, Oregon, and Boise State, why is the SEC still the punchline of any NCAA violation joke?
July 13, 2011  08:13 AM ET

Depends on the viewpoint I imagine. Some folks go by NCAA rules, some by arrests, and some by what went on 30 years ago...

July 13, 2011  08:44 AM ET

Folks think that success comes with a price. In the case of the SEC, they can't be that good without something wrong going on....

July 13, 2011  09:49 AM ET

We set the standard for everything, and I mean EVERYTHING, including cheating -- everybody wants to be like the SEC.


Seriously, tho, it's just perception, which changes ever so slowly. It's the same reason why da U still carried the Thug U label even after Shannon cleaned up things.

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July 13, 2011  10:27 AM ET
QUOTE(#4):

Depends on your definition of "dirtiest". Big XII(10) includes Texas Tech, and Lubbock is really dirty, dusty, windy............... plus the aromatic stockyard just upwind of the stadium.

Well..the South is well known for dirt roads, red clay, sand....and those Hurricanes can throw up some wind as well...

July 13, 2011  10:27 AM ET

Schools today advertise year-around that there has never been a more "level playing field" in college athletics. At the same time the coaches spout hackney comments about "working their butts off to do the best job possible for the institution and the fans." This may or may not be true but because it is out there it give rise to the following questions.

If the field is so level why then do the same schools, from the same conferences excel year after year? And what exactly do the coaches mean by the use of the term "best possible" job?

People believe that when success follows success year after year, must be a reason - and that reason is cheating.

July 13, 2011  10:31 AM ET

they are all dirty...conference affiliation aside, all major schools have skeletons.

July 13, 2011  11:06 AM ET

I think a lot of it has to do with history and the perception that comes along with it.

Auburn is #3 all time as a "repeat violator" with 7 major infractions. Although they've cleaned things up a bit since the Pat Dye debauchery days the Cam situation has brought the old perception back into view.

Alabama has qualified as a repeat violator since 1995 and won't be clear of danger until 2014. They've cleaned things up too but the latest slip up brought the old perception back into view.

I also think the SEC is viewed as a conference that stretches the rule book to it's very limits, manufacturing wiggle room where none should exist.

Ongoing investigations at Tennessee and Georgia, arrests at Florida, and Arkansas being #3 on the list for players with criminal backgrounds are things that don't help the conference's perception in the eyes of the general public.

July 13, 2011  11:16 AM ET
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... why is the SEC still the punchline of any NCAA violation joke?

Because of their success. People need a way to explain how one team/conference can consistently be more successful than the one they're a fan of, so the default rationalization is cheating. The one thing about being king of the hill is that your fanny is a lot more visible than everyone else's.

July 13, 2011  12:14 PM ET
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Because of their success. People need a way to explain how one team/conference can consistently be more successful than the one they're a fan of, so the default rationalization is cheating. The one thing about being king of the hill is that your fanny is a lot more visible than everyone else's.

For crying out loud TtT, we don't need the Trojans saying how great it is to be in the SEC when SEC fans tell themselves that every day.

July 13, 2011  12:57 PM ET
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The one thing about being king of the hill is that your fanny is a lot more visible than everyone else's.

True dat, and everybody that looks at that fanny paints a mental bulls-eye on it, too.

It's basic human nature to wanna knock the current alpha leader down -- some like to do it in order to take it's place, but others like to do it out of plain spite/jealousy/meanness.

July 13, 2011  01:50 PM ET
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they are all dirty...conference affiliation aside, all major schools have skeletons.

I am going back and forth on whether UF has any current skeletons. After the pre Spurrier TV and Bowl bans, UF presidents have publicly stressed compliance with NCAA rules. IMO it would be really stupid for the school to risk getting caught because of the potential to lose money, especially with SEC revenue sharing. Whether you cheat or not, you still get the same $$$.

However are the stakes are so high that someone at UF thinks it is worth the risk to break those rules?

July 13, 2011  02:09 PM ET
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However are the stakes are so high that someone at UF thinks it is worth the risk to break those rules?

Yes, probably.


I think 84 is likely dead-on, though I have zero evidence. The one caveat I will toss in here is that since there is probably a wide range of cheating going on, from lightweight stuff all the way to buying players and large cashola tossing around, some could be called "more guilty" than others, from that standpoint anyway.


Now I'm gonna get bashed with the "cheating is cheating, whether its a $5 handshake or a $5,000 one...", but before anybody does, I want it noted that am not saying I think it's OK to "cheat just a little". Just that I think some programs have big skeletons and some have just a few bones.

July 13, 2011  02:13 PM ET
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For crying out loud TtT, we don't need the Trojans saying how great it is to be in the SEC when SEC fans tell themselves that every day.

LOL. I see your point.

July 13, 2011  02:16 PM ET
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However are the stakes are so high that someone at UF thinks it is worth the risk to break those rules?

I must be a pirate today with all of the are's

July 13, 2011  02:22 PM ET
QUOTE(#15):

LOL. I see your point.

Funny, I don't see it...


hehehe

July 13, 2011  02:25 PM ET
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Funny, I don't see it...hehehe

We know it is really difficult to be in the SEC when the last place team would win every other conference title. ;)

July 13, 2011  02:48 PM ET
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We know it is really difficult to be in the SEC when the last place team would win every other conference title. ;)

He'll be here all week folks!!! Don't forget to tip your bartender!

 
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