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July 30, 2011, 01:03 PM
Philadelphia appeared out of nowhere and signed this guy. The NFL Network was saying that the Jets and Cowboys were the "only" ones in the race to sign him. It just occurred to me a few minutes ago that ......what if the Eagles and Cowboys were talking behind scenes, and Jerry Jones let the Eagles get this guy (I'm not even going to try to type his name, but the subject of this thread, therefore now known as "this guy"), with the intent of letting Samuels go, so the Cowboys could sign him? And, probably at a cheaper rate?

Very unlikely, but skulduggery does happen. Any thoughts/possibilities on this?
July 30, 2011  01:07 PM ET

I defiantly believe the GM's play head games and the odds but it's risky and assumptive, if it plays out right you look the genius if it goes wrong your a gambler that lost, that's the way the cookie crumbles sometimes the crumbs fall in your lap and sometimes they fall to the floor.

July 30, 2011  01:20 PM ET

Understand, but what if these 2 (Eagles and Cowboys) had this planned out from the very get go? Like I said, this is pure assumption on my part and nothing concrete to go on, but it's still funny how the Eagles got into the picture at the last moment, and signed him from under the Jets and Cowboys. I figured the Jets was going to get him anyway and never really expected the 'Boys to even try.
It took me completely by surprise when the only 2 teams bidding were the aforementioned ones, and even more surprised when the Eagles got him. Made me wonder just what was underfoot here.

July 30, 2011  01:23 PM ET

Interesting thought! I made a similar comment yesterday about the apparent smoke screen that happened here, but I couldn't figure out why Dallas would essentially "help" Philly. Your mention of Samuel might be the answer to that question... Very interesting.

July 30, 2011  01:30 PM ET
QUOTE(#2):

Understand, but what if these 2 (Eagles and Cowboys) had this planned out from the very get go? Like I said, this is pure assumption on my part and nothing concrete to go on, but it's still funny how the Eagles got into the picture at the last moment, and signed him from under the Jets and Cowboys. I figured the Jets was going to get him anyway and never really expected the 'Boys to even try.It took me completely by surprise when the only 2 teams bidding were the aforementioned ones, and even more surprised when the Eagles got him. Made me wonder just what was underfoot here.

Not unthinkable I do know that certain teams seem to trade with each other on a regular basis, like Carolina and Chicago especially now that Rivera is their coach, there is a connection between them and are more comfortable with each other. Some have even benn calling them the Carolina Bears and Chicago Panthers with the amount of players swapped back and forth.

I could see things working behind the scenes between Coaches/GM's like I said all is good as long as things work out the way they should but if/when things go south that's what I was referring to.

Even minor things can cause huge ripples across the NFL like the Bears and their draft trade with the Ravens, was it a stupid mistake gone wrong or something else.

July 30, 2011  01:32 PM ET
QUOTE(#3):

Interesting thought! I made a similar comment yesterday about the apparent smoke screen that happened here, but I couldn't figure out why Dallas would essentially "help" Philly. Your mention of Samuel might be the answer to that question... Very interesting.

I didn't understand it, why Dallas and Philadelphia would help the other out either, but it is a business when it comes down to the nitty gritty. Then Mother Marge made mention on Phillyfan1's post about whether they would also keep Samuel.That got me to thinking.

July 30, 2011  01:37 PM ET
QUOTE(#5):

I didn't understand it, why Dallas and Philadelphia would help the other out either, but it is a business when it comes down to the nitty gritty. Then Mother Marge made mention on Phillyfan1's post about whether they would also keep Samuel.That got me to thinking.

I think Philly would be scary if they kept all three DBs. Aso could move into the safety position, which he is very comfortable with. Their nickel package would be hard as hell to beat. But I don't know where Philly is cap wise, so I don't know if they can afford all three players.

July 30, 2011  01:37 PM ET
QUOTE(#4):

Not unthinkable I do know that certain teams seem to trade with each other on a regular basis, like Carolina and Chicago especially now that Rivera is their coach, there is a connection between them and are more comfortable with each other. Some have even benn calling them the Carolina Bears and Chicago Panthers with the amount of players swapped back and forth.I could see things working behind the scenes between Coaches/GM's like I said all is good as long as things work out the way they should but if/when things go south that's what I was referring to.Even minor things can cause huge ripples across the NFL like the Bears and their draft trade with the Ravens, was it a stupid mistake gone wrong or something else.

But, Carolina and Chicago aren't in the same division, tho. Similar thing when Philly traded McNabb to the Redskins last year. What?!? It worked out for the Eagles, but not the Redskins, even tho' McNabb knew the Eagles frontwards, backwards, and sideways.

July 30, 2011  01:39 PM ET
QUOTE(#6):

I think Philly would be scary if they kept all three DBs. Aso could move into the safety position, which he is very comfortable with. Their nickel package would be hard as hell to beat. But I don't know where Philly is cap wise, so I don't know if they can afford all three players.

I agree with you there. Even if they let Samuels go, they're going to be scary. They're going to be tough to beat, unless they have a multitude of injuries to key players.

July 30, 2011  01:46 PM ET

Once and for all the Cowboys were never in the hunt. They were to busy getting a few bucks below the cap. they need to concentrate on resigning veteran players and draft picks.

July 30, 2011  01:47 PM ET
QUOTE(#8):

I agree with you there. Even if they let Samuels go, they're going to be scary. They're going to be tough to beat, unless they have a multitude of injuries to key players.

If they let Samuel go, I would think the Eagles would get some help on the OL. There was one game (vs Washington?) where Vick was just torn up - he had a sieve for protection and it was hard to watch! Every time he hit the ground, he got up slower and slower.

July 30, 2011  01:49 PM ET
QUOTE(#7):

But, Carolina and Chicago aren't in the same division, tho. Similar thing when Philly traded McNabb to the Redskins last year. What?!? It worked out for the Eagles, but not the Redskins, even tho' McNabb knew the Eagles frontwards, backwards, and sideways.

Not same division but same conference but I understand what your saying, it's still risky usually GM's like players going to different conference so as they don't face the possibility of losing to a team to whom you've just traded with and looking the fool having done so. Let alone within the same division that could really bite a coach/gm in the butt.

I agree their could and maybe is Skullduggery behind the scenes albeit risky for those who participate.

July 30, 2011  01:58 PM ET

Skulduggery. Great word!

July 30, 2011  01:59 PM ET
QUOTE(#9):

Once and for all the Cowboys were never in the hunt. They were to busy getting a few bucks below the cap. they need to concentrate on resigning veteran players and draft picks.

I didn't think they were either. Nor was I expecting the 'Boys to sign "this guy". If they were "never in the hunt" then why were they considered one of the TWO teams left?

All I said is that the NFL Network was saying that the 'sweepstakes' was down to the Jets and Cowboys yesterday, and the Eagles signed him yesterday evening right out of the blue, and at the last moment.

The rest of what I said is strictly an assumption, if you will, of how I viewed what may, or may not, have happened at the 11th hour. I know the 'Boys have to get below the cap, as do most people. That's why it surprised me when they said the Cowboys were one of the two teams left.

July 30, 2011  02:02 PM ET
QUOTE(#10):

If they let Samuel go, I would think the Eagles would get some help on the OL. There was one game (vs Washington?) where Vick was just torn up - he had a sieve for protection and it was hard to watch! Every time he hit the ground, he got up slower and slower.

They may figure Vick can run out of trouble? If so, they may be in for a long season if he gets hurt for any length of time.

Phillyfan1 can tell you more about his team than I can............lol.......

July 30, 2011  02:05 PM ET
QUOTE(#11):

Not same division but same conference but I understand what your saying, it's still risky usually GM's like players going to different conference so as they don't face the possibility of losing to a team to whom you've just traded with and looking the fool having done so. Let alone within the same division that could really bite a coach/gm in the butt.I agree their could and maybe is Skullduggery behind the scenes albeit risky for those who participate.

Oh yeah, it's still risky, but in a conference trade, you may meet that team you traded someone to just every so often. Within a division, it's 2 games a year at least, but you already know that.............:-)
The "skulduggery" thing wouldn't surprise me tho. There's probably more of that going on than we would like to think. I always say "There's a skunk in the woodpile somewhere".............lol

July 30, 2011  03:02 PM ET

We are learning more each passing hour, about the Asomugha deal. This is the latest that I learned earlier today. Joe Banner, and Asomugha's agent had spoken at the beginning of the week. According to Banner....he told the Asomugha camp "not to do anything till the 11th hour". The Asomugha camp told Banner that they had been eliminating teams without Superbowl contending squads, and that Asomugha wanted to play for the Eagles all along. He also wanted to go to a team that played on a grass field, and that he did not want to go to a team where he would be the "savior".
You'd have to be a fly on the wall to determine how much of this is fact, but according to both camps...they had been in contact with each other below the radar the whole time. Nobody saw it coming after the Kolb/DRC trade and the Asomugha camp is saying he took less money to play with the Eagles (if you can believe that one, 5 yrs $60 mill.)
Yes Jerry Jones and Andy Reid have done business in the past, and I believe have a good relationship...but they both want to win games, and a championship.
The Eagles will be fielding trade offers for Samuel, and I believe adequate compensation would be no less than a 2nd in their eyes.
Unless someone makes the Eagles an offer they can't refuse for Samuel's services, I believe and the Eagles believe they can make it work with 3 top tier CB's, and have the money to do it.
Samuel has already stated he does not want to be traded and will play anywhere on the field the Eagles designate him. Ditto for DRC. Reid stated that Asomugha is the right CB.
It was a big surprise to me that the Eagles landed Asomugha, but would be a bigger one if they traded Samuel to division rival Cowboys. If you listen to Jay Glazer from FOX Sports, he said the Cowboys were "never in the race for Asomugha, and it was a smokescreen". They had to clear too much space to get under the cap, and sign Free 1st and foremost.
That's all I got for now...but will keep my ear to the grindstone.

July 30, 2011  03:03 PM ET
QUOTE(#10):

If they let Samuel go, I would think the Eagles would get some help on the OL. There was one game (vs Washington?) where Vick was just torn up - he had a sieve for protection and it was hard to watch! Every time he hit the ground, he got up slower and slower.

Mike Lombardi said the Eagles tried to get LT Doug Free, but he re-signed with the Cowboys.

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July 30, 2011  04:13 PM ET
QUOTE(#16):

We are learning more each passing hour, about the Asomugha deal. This is the latest that I learned earlier today. Joe Banner, and Asomugha's agent had spoken at the beginning of the week. According to Banner....he told the Asomugha camp "not to do anything till the 11th hour". The Asomugha camp told Banner that they had been eliminating teams without Superbowl contending squads, and that Asomugha wanted to play for the Eagles all along. He also wanted to go to a team that played on a grass field, and that he did not want to go to a team where he would be the "savior".You'd have to be a fly on the wall to determine how much of this is fact, but according to both camps...they had been in contact with each other below the radar the whole time. Nobody saw it coming after the Kolb/DRC trade and the Asomugha camp is saying he took less money to play with the Eagles (if you can believe that one, 5 yrs $60 mill.)Yes Jerry Jones and Andy Reid have done business in the past, and I believe have a good relationship...but they both want to win games, and a championship.The Eagles will be fielding trade offers for Samuel, and I believe adequate compensation would be no less than a 2nd in their eyes. Unless someone makes the Eagles an offer they can't refuse for Samuel's services, I believe and the Eagles believe they can make it work with 3 top tier CB's, and have the money to do it.Samuel has already stated he does not want to be traded and will play anywhere on the field the Eagles designate him. Ditto for DRC. Reid stated that Asomugha is the right CB.It was a big surprise to me that the Eagles landed Asomugha, but would be a bigger one if they traded Samuel to division rival Cowboys. If you listen to Jay Glazer from FOX Sports, he said the Cowboys were "never in the race for Asomugha, and it was a smokescreen". They had to clear too much space to get under the cap, and sign Free 1st and foremost.That's all I got for now...but will keep my ear to the grindstone.

I never figured "this guy" was in the running with the Cowboys anyway. I would have been happy had they gotten him, but I really didn't think they'd have the money. So, I'm not disappointed because I never had my hopes up for that to happen.

I doubt they will trade for Samuels either, but it was just something I thought might be possible, given the scenario, albeit a slim one. However far fetched it might be, and if there is a semblance of truth to it, we'll never know.

 
July 30, 2011  04:14 PM ET
QUOTE(#17):

Mike Lombardi said the Eagles tried to get LT Doug Free, but he re-signed with the Cowboys.

That was the 'Boys #1 priority, re signing Free. And thank goodness they did.

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